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[lawp79]

Actually I think the "movement" was split the day they announced the extended cut, a number of the retakers just wanted some clarity and closure while others wanted a completely new ending. For now I think a lot of the closure/clarity folks are just waiting for the dlc to pass judgement.

[Woodstock-TC]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I recognize a great loss of supporting signatures and threads about it, the official Facebook page got completely silent, fundraisers are closed, cupcake action lays some time in the past...

What about "Hold the Line"?
Did the movement got finally killed with the Extended Cut or what?

im my case im done with EA/BW after the 5.4 announcement as the ending and the EC insults my intelligence.

MrBtongue summarizes it well  
the game company and its publisher moves inline with SIERRA and others which had my trust established over the time, lost it and wont get it a second time. 

so yes, im not holding any line, i just hold my money.

Modifié par Woodstock-TC, 19 avril 2012 - 05:41 .

[Asch Lavigne]

Ah yes the "Retake ME3 Movement" We have dismissed that claim!

(Someone was going to do it.)

[dark_one778]

While I do not speak for the entire Retake movement I can only speak as someone who is in it, and give my own personal view on it right now. I went to PAX East, listened to what Bioware had to say. I, for myself, and the few others I have talked to are taking a wait and see approach to the EC DLC that is coming out. Retake was alot of people in two camps those who wanted a new ending, and those who wanted the endings to speak for itself. Without, it requiring enough player interpretation of the series lore on what MIGHT possibly have happened.

For me, while I did understand the endings as they currently are I believe that the endings should have spoken for itself more than it did. And that alot of choices made through out the series. really boiled down to not mattering. When it came time to chose an ending. That was my biggest issue with the ending. So is my faith in Bioware shaken? Are their games all preorder material for me? How the EC comes out will decide that for me. So as with any movement, do not try to define the whole group just based on the groups overall message or theme.

Modifié par dark_one778, 19 avril 2012 - 05:36 .

[nycmode75]

slyguy200 wrote...

nycmode75 wrote...

It's a video game. Unless you really have absolutely nothing else to live for, usually other things catch up and forces people to move on.

Don't waste time telling people to stop wasting time.
I have nothing else to do so yeah.

Just saying the truth, so it's never a waste! 

[Vaktathi]

Naughty Bear wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Well they achieved their goal. Bioware are releasing the extended cut that will provide more closure.

...totally what the movement wanted:?

What did they want? That was the impression they gave me, more closure.

Different endings is not the same thing as more closure.  Some of us want more options than synthesis, control and destroy.  The Reapers winning by destroying everyone and the galactic forces winning through some other means than the star child's options are the most requested I believe.  Although some want the star child completely removd.

Isn't some of those wants a tad unrealistic?

A new ending? Removing the star child from the game?

Possibly, but the ending in the game was atrocious. Not only because of a lack of closure, but it lacked any and all connection to the narrative paradigm and the rest of the story, and was not at all what the game and story was building up to. It was flat out a *wrong* ending for the game, not merely a *bad* one. Like ending a Warhammer 40k story with "and they all lived happily ever after!" or if in Return of the Jedi, Luke flees the Death Start after redeeming Vader-Turned-Anakin, flys down to Endor, only to land in front of the ruined Statue of Liberty and scream "it was EARTH! Damn you all to HELLLLL!". Nonsensical, inappropriate.

They took an ending from a very old game (Deus Ex, had the same 3 Control AI/Destroy AI/Merge with AI endings in Blue/Red/Green color codings as well) and poorly re-implemented it in ME3 without any buildup to such an ending or any meaningful differences between the endings (unlike Deus Ex where each ending resulted in *very* different outcomes)

So yeah, it wasn't just a closure thing. That's a huge part of it, but the ending as a whole is just entirely inapproriate to the narrative paradigm and artistic intent of the rest of the series that it's mind-boggling.

[MrHiGhToWeRr]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I recognize a great loss of supporting signatures and threads about it, the official Facebook page got completely silent, fundraisers are closed, cupcake action lays some time in the past...

What about "Hold the Line"?
Did the movement got finally killed with the Extended Cut or what?

The movement is headed up by three people. About 2 weeks ago, two of them were in a really bad car accident and were in the hospital, thus the lack of activity. It is most certainly not dead as it's starting up another charity fundraising program and consumer awareness group.

[nycmode75]

slyguy200 wrote...

nycmode75 wrote...
Just saying the truth, so it's never a waste! 

Well, you are wasting your precious time here trying to tell me this because it makes no difference to me. Go do some of that important stuff that you (apparently) must always do every second of the day.

Don't you have other important things to do too?  Just saying 

[GODzilla]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Well they achieved their goal. Bioware are releasing the extended cut that will provide more closure.

...totally what the movement wanted:?

What did they want? That was the impression they gave me, more closure.

1000 new endings for the 1000 decisions you can make in the game, the perfect ending for everyone...and yes, more closure. I guess Bioware just picked the realistic task out of those three.

[wolfstanus]

They wanted a lot
Their focus... They had no focus.
The younger kids found another bandwagon to join.

The ones with a chip on their shoulder created. "retake gaming" personaly I think it will end up like PETA. Good intentions retards get in will turn into a semi terrorist thing fall apart from the inside and die.
They got bored and left.
Some are still around...
Some are reasonable...
A lot are not.
With some if you liked the game you the enemy.

[mastersweet]

I think many people, myself included, are waiting to see what the extended cut brings. I think if the EC does not significantly help the atrociousness of the ending, the movement will most likely be reinvigorated. Of course I could be wrong and time will tell but that is my opinion.

[Vaktathi]

GODzilla_GSPB wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Well they achieved their goal. Bioware are releasing the extended cut that will provide more closure.

...totally what the movement wanted:?

What did they want? That was the impression they gave me, more closure.

1000 new endings for the 1000 decisions you can make in the game, the perfect ending for everyone...and yes, more closure. I guess Bioware just picked the realistic task out of those three.

Nobody wanted 1000 different endings...

But some closure and an ending that actually made some sort of sense and didn't feel like it was written by an entirely different team for an entirely different game with little connection to the rest of the trilogy's story and actually had some sort of meaningful differentiation besides a color filter would have been nice.


Hell, had it just been "shepard, the crucible isn't firing!" and then shepard crawls over in a pool of his/her own blood, slaps hard on the controls on the console, triggers the crucible, and collapses, dying with one last monumental effort as the crucible fires and disables something on the reapers (kinetic barriers, high thought processes, etc) allowing the Reapers to be defeated in a gigantic pitched battle with all the elements of the various factions you brought together getting some screen time, and a decent epilogue going over what happens to each of the major factions and characters (even if it's something as simple as say, a 5 second panning shot with some epic music playing showing Tali on Rannoch directing something while side by side with Geth and rubuilding settlements and the like), that would have been fine. Something like that would have gone over infinitely better and satisfied the vast majority of the playerbase. It certainly wouldn't have ignited the firestorm the current ending did.

Modifié par Vaktathi, 19 avril 2012 - 05:55 .

[lillitheris]

classy. First loudly demand that people “give the EC a chance” (the EC you wouldn't have without said entitled whiners), and then when they do, start with the snide commentary about them not being around.

Truly…classy.

[Sebbe1337o]

I guess many gave up since BW simply won't remake the ending.

[aberdash]

RME is most likely just dormant and will most likely remain so until the DLC is released.

[thunderhawk862002]

wolfstanus wrote...

They wanted a lot
Their focus... They had no focus.
The younger kids found another bandwagon to join.

The ones with a chip on their shoulder created. "retake gaming" personaly I think it will end up like PETA. Good intentions retards get in will turn into a semi terrorist thing fall apart from the inside and die.
They got bored and left.
Some are still around...
Some are reasonable...
A lot are not.
With some if you liked the game you the enemy.

If anything I hope retake gaming can turn back some of the horrible manifestations of DLC.  DLC was a great concept in theory but it's been typically horrible in practice.  In my opinion anyway.

[nycmode75]

slyguy200 wrote...
I got nuthin, so i am here. What have you got, answer that before quoting/responding to me further. 

I don't know ... the usual white-collar job at day, spend time with the wife at night, play an hour or two of games when I have time?  

[BadgerladDK]

Personally, I just got tired of a hundred different people claiming to speak for me, so I ditched the fleet signature in favor of one that still has a message about the ending being crap. Still here, still withholding money from further Bioware products, including the cancelled TOR sub. But utterly tired of the word "movement", and waiting to see what comes of the EC. I'm sceptical, but it's what we're getting, so we'll see.

[Raizo]

Bioware/EA outsmarted us. They announced the ME3 extended cut DLC, said that it would be out in the Summer of 2012 but did not give us a solid release date. It's not like anyone can complain about the fact that Bioware does not care or that they are not doing anything to fix some of ME3's problems ( the major once at least ) because they are doing something, the thing is that none of us will know if this DLC will make ME3 more enjoyable until we get our hands on it and this forces the people behind the movement into taking a 'wait and see' approach and putting the Retake Me3 movement on hold for now. By the time the ME3 EC comes out most of will either no longer give a **** or we would have moved on to something else so if the DLC sucks the chances of the Retake ME3 movement starting again is very slim.

[nycmode75]

Raizo wrote...

Bioware/EA outsmarted us. They announced the ME3 extended cut DLC, said that it would be out in the Summer of 2012 but did not give us a solid release date. It's not like anyone can complain about the fact that Bioware does not care or that they are not doing anything to fix some of ME3's problems ( the major once at least ) because they are doing something, the thing is that none of us will know if this DLC will make ME3 more enjoyable until we get our hands on it and this forces the people behind the movement into taking a 'wait and see' approach and putting the Retake Me3 movement on hold for now. By the time the ME3 EC comes out most of will either no longer give a **** or we would have moved on to something else so if the DLC sucks the chances of the Retake ME3 movement starting again is very slim.

Bingo.  In corporate America, it's called CYA.  If you work in management or have management experience, you will know what I'm talking about.  EA pulled one of those things that happen all the time in offices etc.  Gotta love CYA

Modifié par nycmode75, 19 avril 2012 - 06:04 .