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[Yajuu Omoi]

slyguy200 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

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I bolded and underlined the bit that i already said, and you restated...so you pretty much agreed with me...hmm...seems my logic was spot on...no?

So, where's your "proof"??

They originally intended to charge for it.
The proof is/was on XBL Marketplace.
But i could get you an article or something if you want, a simple yes or no will work.

Now THAT would be proof. And btw...i know MS put it up for sale...but the key note is...it wasn't even advertised as for sale or anything, or even available on other "consoles" when they put it out...make one ponder whether it was even supposed to be "for sale" and not "free upon a 'surprise' event"

[Yajuu Omoi]

slyguy200 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

...
I bolded and underlined the bit that i already said, and you restated...so you pretty much agreed with me...hmm...seems my logic was spot on...no?

So, where's your "proof"??

They originally intended to charge for it.
The proof is/was on XBL Marketplace.
But i could get you an article or something if you want, a simple yes or no will work.

Now THAT would be proof. And btw...i know MS put it up for sale...but the key note is...it wasn't even advertised as for sale or anything, or even available on other "consoles" when they put it out...make one ponder whether it was even supposed to be "for sale" and not "free upon a 'surprise' event"

BW made it free, maybe in response to the uproar. They advertised it for free, but maybe someone with XBL hit the wrong button and set it for its original price, so it was supposed to go up for sale, but then things happened and they made it free..
Here is article
http://www.cinemable...Free-41436.html

...thats not a news article...thats a blog post... T.T
Not proof...i was almost thinking you were gonna prove me wrong...<_<

[Father_Jerusalem]

slyguy200 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

...
I bolded and underlined the bit that i already said, and you restated...so you pretty much agreed with me...hmm...seems my logic was spot on...no?

So, where's your "proof"??

They originally intended to charge for it.
The proof is/was on XBL Marketplace.
But i could get you an article or something if you want, a simple yes or no will work.

Or, more likely, it was an upload error. Because charging for MP dlc would do nothing but split the community even further, and BioWare isn't stupid enough not to know that. 

But by all means, keep on with your C-O-N-SPIRACY!

[LegendaryBlade]

-Group of people protest
-A large percentage of that group gets something they are potentially satisfied with and waits to see
-Oh my god group is dead guys, we wonz!!!!!1111

You people are silly.

[Yajuu Omoi]

slyguy200 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

...
I bolded and underlined the bit that i already said, and you restated...so you pretty much agreed with me...hmm...seems my logic was spot on...no?

So, where's your "proof"??

They originally intended to charge for it.
The proof is/was on XBL Marketplace.
But i could get you an article or something if you want, a simple yes or no will work.

Now THAT would be proof. And btw...i know MS put it up for sale...but the key note is...it wasn't even advertised as for sale or anything, or even available on other "consoles" when they put it out...make one ponder whether it was even supposed to be "for sale" and not "free upon a 'surprise' event"

BW made it free, maybe in response to the uproar. They advertised it for free, but maybe someone with XBL hit the wrong button and set it for its original price, so it was supposed to go up for sale, but then things happened and they made it free..
Here is article
http://www.cinemable...Free-41436.html

...thats not a news article...thats a blog post... T.T
Not proof...i was almost thinking you were gonna prove me wrong...<_<

Suprisingly hard to find an actual gaming news article on the internet that can be relied on at this point. They are mostly blogs, and either way it seems to take the form of a news article, with a few references and stuff.
Maybe an upload error caused by the price change not being entered in properly.
Good night-_- (for real)

Thank you for admitting you are wrong...i think...?
A persons blog does not hold evidence.
It may HAVE been an upload error and MS being MS assumed they'd be getting money.
Whatever the case. the EC was NEVER gonna be sold at a price, due to the fact that it wasn't planned in the first place.
Secondly, Resurgance, WAS planned, from day one. and it was always going to be free. Server boosting technique, used in every form of server count available.

Good night little attempted troll (see wat i did thar?)

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 25 avril 2012 - 03:40 .

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

...
I bolded and underlined the bit that i already said, and you restated...so you pretty much agreed with me...hmm...seems my logic was spot on...no?

So, where's your "proof"??

They originally intended to charge for it.
The proof is/was on XBL Marketplace.
But i could get you an article or something if you want, a simple yes or no will work.

Or, more likely, it was an upload error. Because charging for MP dlc would do nothing but split the community even further, and BioWare isn't stupid enough not to know that. 

But by all means, keep on with your C-O-N-SPIRACY!

Well we don't know when te resurgence pack was made and uploaded to Xbox live.  From the ashes got leaked early so that was finished early on.  Would it be surprising to think that they were going to originally charge for the DLC and switched gears after the combined backlash over From the Ashes Day 1 DLC and the endings?  I don't think so.  But in the end there is no proof beyond the $4.00 price tag which may have been a mistake all along.

[Yajuu Omoi]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

...
I bolded and underlined the bit that i already said, and you restated...so you pretty much agreed with me...hmm...seems my logic was spot on...no?

So, where's your "proof"??

They originally intended to charge for it.
The proof is/was on XBL Marketplace.
But i could get you an article or something if you want, a simple yes or no will work.

Or, more likely, it was an upload error. Because charging for MP dlc would do nothing but split the community even further, and BioWare isn't stupid enough not to know that. 

But by all means, keep on with your C-O-N-SPIRACY!

Well we don't know when te resurgence pack was made and uploaded to Xbox live.  From the ashes got leaked early so that was finished early on.  Would it be surprising to think that they were going to originally charge for the DLC and switched gears after the combined backlash over From the Ashes Day 1 DLC and the endings?  I don't think so.  But in the end there is no proof beyond the $4.00 price tag which may have been a mistake all along.

Now THAT is a sensable arguemnt. I appreciate that.
And i will grant you this, there MAY have been a chance they were going to make the Resurge cost something.
But I personally think it makes no sense to charge for a dlc that would affect others ability to play once you have it...
going off Halo 3 MP, you can't play 90% of the game online now due to the fact that it requires you to buy DLC maps that others have.

BUT, you could still be right.

[Turtlicious]

Turtlicious wrote...

cbutz wrote...

Many probably gave up on Bioware and instead of holding the line they are holding their wallets. Many , like myself , are waiting and seeing, though I will not hold my breath. I in turn am turning my internet energies onto other things and projects.

I downloaded every porn mod on Skyrim to see how many people different poeple/acts/location combinations I can get without freezing or console commands.

Personal favorite?

Lydia, an argonian, and myself (a Khajit) ontop of Pathurnax's back.

I'm sad no-one commented on this, it took me three hours to do...

[Mr. Gogeta34]

addiction21 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

They also enacted/stressed the rule to not insult Bioware staff shortly before launch.

It was also enacted shortly after this cluster **** http://social.biowar...0/index/9381043

BioWare has been dealing with "backlash" after every major release for a decade. No its all about them being scared of you.

Also those "rules they enacted" have always been in effect. Always. It just got to a point they needed to take a hardline. Not because they are scared of the fans but because people have been taking advantage of their leniency for a long time.

They didn't do it out of "fear," they likely did it because they knew it was coming.  As far as the link, not cool (obviously), but also irrelevant to the legitimate issues of ME3's ending.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...
You want a REAL result?? Be a REAL person! Use REAL common sense! keep your integrity and simply give the well deserved feedback that they ASK for!! THey ASK us how we feel about a game, answer that question, and leave it at that, they will prove on their own what kind o fcompany they are.

One can't prove who they are when they're being told what to do.

Oh they're hearing about how players feel about the game.... believe me.

But the fact that they released an ending as unpolished as what they did speaks volumes about "who they are".. or more accurately "who they're becoming."

A wake up call is in order.  Hopefully they heard it.  The industry does not need to go down a direction where endings are unfinished/lopped off to cut costs... and certainly not to try and defend such a large quality drop behind the guise of "Artistic Integrity."

In the press, I get that, but to fans who already know and saw what they got (and already paid money for it I might add)... you can't tell them it's an ending to be proud of... not yet.

Truely, i agree. I don't want them becoming a second rate, understated company. but with the way this "movement" has been going...it may produce a result...but not a good, lasting result.

Just because the backlash was harsh doesn't mean it wasn't good for them.  The hope is that next time they (or some other gaming company) thinks about gimping their endings/not finishing with the same quality and care as the rest of the game/withholding pre-release content and taking advantage of their built-up good faith in exchange for cutting costs/incentivising DLC, they'll think twice about it.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...
You want a REAL result?? Be a REAL person! Use REAL common sense! keep your integrity and simply give the well deserved feedback that they ASK for!! THey ASK us how we feel about a game, answer that question, and leave it at that, they will prove on their own what kind o fcompany they are.

One can't prove who they are when they're being told what to do.

Oh they're hearing about how players feel about the game.... believe me.

But the fact that they released an ending as unpolished as what they did speaks volumes about "who they are".. or more accurately "who they're becoming."

A wake up call is in order.  Hopefully they heard it.  The industry does not need to go down a direction where endings are unfinished/lopped off to cut costs... and certainly not to try and defend such a large quality drop behind the guise of "Artistic Integrity."

In the press, I get that, but to fans who already know and saw what they got (and already paid money for it I might add)... you can't tell them it's an ending to be proud of... not yet.

Truely, i agree. I don't want them becoming a second rate, understated company. but with the way this "movement" has been going...it may produce a result...but not a good, lasting result.

Just because the backlash was harsh doesn't mean it wasn't good for them.  The hope is that next time they (or some other gaming company) thinks about gimping their endings/not finishing with the same quality and care as the rest of the game/withholding pre-release content and taking advantage of their built-up good faith in exchange for cutting costs/incentivising DLC, they'll think twice about it.

Um...?
I'm saying that if "fans" continue to do this kind of "occupy" and "retake" crap gaming companies will eventually stop attempting to please their customers all together once a game is out.
They may get a few scraps here and there by screaming...but eventually the cry baby gets ignored.
If gamers were more respective, and tried to HELP a company, said company would be more inclined to listen more openly NEXT time...

[deatharmonic]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Um...?
I'm saying that if "fans" continue to do this kind of "occupy" and "retake" crap gaming companies will eventually stop attempting to please their customers all together once a game is out.
They may get a few scraps here and there by screaming...but eventually the cry baby gets ignored.
If gamers were more respective, and tried to HELP a company, said company would be more inclined to listen more openly NEXT time...

I disagree, purely because gaming companies need customers more than customers need games. So in that respect i believe gaming companies will always have to please customers to the best of their ability, otherwise they lose their main source of income which is a lot more detrimental to them than it is to the customer.

Edit: even if the customers are kicking up a fuss

Modifié par deatharmonic, 25 avril 2012 - 07:13 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

deatharmonic wrote...

I disagree, purely because gaming companies need customers more than customers need games. So in that respect i believe gaming companies will always have to please customers to the best of their ability, otherwise they lose their main source of income which is a lot more detrimental to them than it is to the customer.

Edit: even if the customers are kicking up a fuss

That is true, however causing TOO much of an issue and attacking a company TOO much can cause negative long term effects not only for the company, but the gamers.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Um...?
I'm saying that if "fans" continue to do this kind of "occupy" and "retake" crap gaming companies will eventually stop attempting to please their customers all together once a game is out.
They may get a few scraps here and there by screaming...but eventually the cry baby gets ignored.
If gamers were more respective, and tried to HELP a company, said company would be more inclined to listen more openly NEXT time...

Part of the backlash is because Bioware apparently weren't inclined to listen openly before (even though they said they were.. unless they actually intended to fluster their fanbase).  When the outcry is legitimate, the only time it's ignored is if the company loses touch (in which case, they're on their way out).

Also, customers already helped a lot with their wallets, it's a tall order to expect no anger from them at all.  Everyone who bought the game, bought it in good faith and in support of Bioware.  The protests and backlashes are likewise legitimate and if nothing else, heartfelt.
 
A company ignoring their customers is far better than the customers ignoring the company.  They should accept the backlash for what it is and really listen to what their customers are saying.  Responses like this don't happen on a whim... especially at such a scale.

When it's a legitimate issue, the formatting used to raise the issue shouldn't matter... particularly to professionals.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 25 avril 2012 - 08:27 .

[Aryana70]

I believe that many ppl are taking the "wait and see" approach at this time. Well thats what i am doing, I am very skeptical about the Extended ending DLC, I wanted...well hoped they would provide another ending for those of us that would like a happier ending, its not a huge thing to ask for, but apparently it is. So i will bide my time till then, I have plenty of other things to do in the meantime....

But always remember: Hold the line!!!

[Yajuu Omoi]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Um...?
I'm saying that if "fans" continue to do this kind of "occupy" and "retake" crap gaming companies will eventually stop attempting to please their customers all together once a game is out.
They may get a few scraps here and there by screaming...but eventually the cry baby gets ignored.
If gamers were more respective, and tried to HELP a company, said company would be more inclined to listen more openly NEXT time...

Part of the backlash is because Bioware apparently weren't inclined to listen openly before (even though they said they were.. unless they actually intended to fluster their fanbase).  When the outcry is legitimate, the only time it's ignored is if the company loses touch (in which case, they're on their way out).

Also, customers already helped a lot with their wallets, it's a tall order to expect no anger from them at all.  Everyone who bought the game, bought it in good faith and in support of Bioware.  The protests and backlashes are likewise legitimate and if nothing else, heartfelt.
 
A company ignoring their customers is far better than the customers ignoring the company.  They should accept the backlash for what it is and really listen to what their customers are saying.  Responses like this don't happen on a whim... especially at such a scale.

When it's a legitimate issue, the formatting used to raise the issue shouldn't matter... particularly to professionals.

Don't get me wrong, i believe whole-heartedly that the reasons are legit.
I'm just stating the old oddidge of "The ends do not justify the means"
And in this situation, the ends aren't even what the "movement" wanted.
And now its causing people to speculate even more wildly saying that bioware was going to attempt to charge us for needed MP DLC...and that they were gonna make a EC in the first place and charge for it...which neither makes sense if you use common sense, but it's still being spread like wildfire.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Aryana70 wrote...

I believe that many ppl are taking the "wait and see" approach at this time. Well thats what i am doing, I am very skeptical about the Extended ending DLC, I wanted...well hoped they would provide another ending for those of us that would like a happier ending, its not a huge thing to ask for, but apparently it is. So i will bide my time till then, I have plenty of other things to do in the meantime....

But always remember: Hold the line!!!

The line has been broken ---/---

By asking for a re-write to the ending you're asking them to give up their pride as designers, and throw away something they worked hard on...thereby giving up their integrity as game devs...

[Arsenic Touch]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Aryana70 wrote...

I believe that many ppl are taking the "wait and see" approach at this time. Well thats what i am doing, I am very skeptical about the Extended ending DLC, I wanted...well hoped they would provide another ending for those of us that would like a happier ending, its not a huge thing to ask for, but apparently it is. So i will bide my time till then, I have plenty of other things to do in the meantime....

But always remember: Hold the line!!!

The line has been broken ---/---

By asking for a re-write to the ending you're asking them to give up their pride as designers, and throw away something they worked hard on...thereby giving up their integrity as game devs...

HAHAHA!!!

[alex13abc]

The movement isn't dead but the ME franchise sure is dead to me.

[Emzamination]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

At the cost of dignity?  It didn't
cost dignity, just their 2cs and outrage (plus a brief display of their
wallet size).  And what you just listed, are the most civil ways to
protest/speak out for change while actually getting attention that can
make a difference.

Bioware lost a great deal of their Artistic
"INTEGRITY" when they released that ending in the state that it was in
(I know that I won't be buying a Bioware game at full price any time
soon.. and others that don't even bother saying anything).  They can
regain their full integrity back by fixing it.  They owe it to
themselves to do that... and they have the opportunity to do it... a
very rare thing.

Bioware's reputation and standard for excellence took a large hit with this... no two ways about it.

You fail to mention just how bioware lost its integrity.

Put it in bold for you.  I also underlined the important parts.

What state is that exactly? Bioware worked hard to finish up the trilogy even in the absence of the Originial head writer, they deserve recognition and respect.How dare you criticize their work when you yourself have never put a pencil to paper to contribute to the Cause.These retakers complaining about the ending not written well enough need to start sending in bioware job applications so we can see just how they do any better.

[VolusvsReaper]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I recognize a great loss of supporting signatures and threads about it, the official Facebook page got completely silent, fundraisers are closed, cupcake action lays some time in the past...

What about "Hold the Line"?
Did the movement got finally killed with the Extended Cut or what?

The movement died the day they said they had no plans on changing the ending.


Thank god they stuck to their guns.

[Sarah Knight]

Emzamination wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

At the cost of dignity?  It didn't
cost dignity, just their 2cs and outrage (plus a brief display of their
wallet size).  And what you just listed, are the most civil ways to
protest/speak out for change while actually getting attention that can
make a difference.

Bioware lost a great deal of their Artistic
"INTEGRITY" when they released that ending in the state that it was in
(I know that I won't be buying a Bioware game at full price any time
soon.. and others that don't even bother saying anything).  They can
regain their full integrity back by fixing it.  They owe it to
themselves to do that... and they have the opportunity to do it... a
very rare thing.

Bioware's reputation and standard for excellence took a large hit with this... no two ways about it.

You fail to mention just how bioware lost its integrity.

Put it in bold for you.  I also underlined the important parts.

What state is that exactly? Bioware worked hard to finish up the trilogy even in the absence of the Originial head writer, they deserve recognition and respect.How dare you criticize their work when you yourself have never put a pencil to paper to contribute to the Cause.These retakers complaining about the ending not written well enough need to start sending in bioware job applications so we can see just how they do any better.

Well said  Emzamination    i agree with it its what i been  trying to Say For a while now if these people Knew the score and how much time and Patients  and Resources/money  to make a single Game that gets sold GLOBALLY they'd more than likely under stand that the Money that we the Consumers paid them over the years  to improve on the servers on their games and Getting better Equipement for the DEV team  and in my eyes they did a decent if not Great Job if people ever knew "shepard" does Live its DESTROY SYNTHETICS  Common Sense Since Shepard is only PARTLY Machine Due to Cerberus bringing he/her  back to life  Due to the Funding the illusive Man used To bring Shepard back.  Hell bioware could of let shepard die then but they didn't now did they? in ME3 2 of 3 options gets you killed Regardless of your asset score "higher your war asset the better the chances you'll survive on option 3 "destroy synthetics" i don't care if i spoiled it really since  Majority of the gamers if not all of them have played it "aside from the kids that their parents wont let them play it"

So Do us true fans who "LOVE"  Or "LIKE" the game  Put your Tampons in  Take your Anti depressants  and your Little Teddy bears    Keep Silent and Enjoy it  if you don't Like it  dont buy another bioware Game Period Those that do wouldn't care less if you guys did  As long as you guys have the Common sense to Talk to the game Devs/company Reasonably  not  Jump down their throat  Just because you didn't get the ending you wanted.

in other words STOP FLAMING BIOWARE CAUSE YOU BABIES DID NOT GET YOUR WAY..

MMK?  K Good Enjoy

P.S  Not to mention the Time that they  Work on the EC  they could of been with their Families instead of  pleasing the "baby side"  included the ones with those Retarded Banners  of the  different endings  for  Various of Characters You need to "play all 3" and in order to have your choices to take affect "Jumping into ME3 is the worse idea you can do" if you have not Played Me1-2 Because Regardless of what you do in ME3 your choices WILL NOT MATTER because its the ENDING TRILOGY  common sense is  right their  so  the People who have not played ME1-2 i'd suggest you go back and play it  their are "parts that take affect in Me3" "Rachni Conrad Asari writings  Your crew if surived the suicide mission in Me2+ few choices in that as well  will carry on into ME3 which is the final  ending of your Story.

Modifié par Sarah Knight, 25 avril 2012 - 10:20 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Emzamination wrote...
What state is that exactly? Bioware worked hard to finish up the trilogy even in the absence of the Originial head writer, they deserve recognition and respect.How dare you criticize their work when you yourself have never put a pencil to paper to contribute to the Cause.These retakers complaining about the ending not written well enough need to start sending in bioware job applications so we can see just how they do any better.

A state that's full of plot holes and inconsistencies... with a quality below the writing standard they set for the rest of the game and titles in its franchise (and their game library in general).  They are getting recognition and respect.  Not from everywhere, but they do from me.  How dare I criticize their work?  How dare you not when the ending was that recognizably bad?  They can fix it, it seems to be a point everyone defending Bioware misses.  This is an opportunity for them to do their project further justice... they've essentially been given more development time.  It's an opportunity they should take.

I put fingers to keyboard for "the Cause."  I'd love to work as a writer at Bioware, but (being completely honest, as usual) I have no idea what kind of writers they're looking for... especially now.  That said, I am a storyteller at heart, so I am keenly aware of when a story legitmately doesn't make sense.

But Bioware themselves can make a better ending than that... yet alone someone else.