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[Mr. Gogeta34]

Sarah Knight wrote...
Well said  Emzamination    i agree with it its what i been  trying to Say For a while now if these people Knew the score and how much time and Patients  and Resources/money  to make a single Game that gets sold GLOBALLY they'd more than likely under stand

I do understand that side of it.  It doesn't excuse anything when you're talking about quality of writing.  All games are made under a schedule and dev cycle.  Bioware even delayed ME3 during development... and they've been talking about ME3's ending since 2009...

Bioware has proven that they can do better... especially considering that the ending's problems dip into basic fundamental do's and don'ts.


Also Sarah, you're not looking at both sides.  Yes, the dev team could be home with their families... but it would also be from the customer's collective $60.  Anyone who's upset has a reason... when a lot of people are upset, the reason tends to be legitimate.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 25 avril 2012 - 10:26 .

[Sarah Knight]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...
What state is that exactly? Bioware worked hard to finish up the trilogy even in the absence of the Originial head writer, they deserve recognition and respect.How dare you criticize their work when you yourself have never put a pencil to paper to contribute to the Cause.These retakers complaining about the ending not written well enough need to start sending in bioware job applications so we can see just how they do any better.

A state that's full of plot holes and inconsistencies... with a quality below the writing standard they set for the rest of the game and titles in its franchise (and their game library in general).  They are getting recognition and respect.  Not from everywhere, but they do from me.  How dare I criticize their work?  How dare you not when the ending was that recognizably bad?  They can fix it, it seems to be a point everyone defending Bioware misses.  This is an opportunity for them to do their project further justice... they've essentially been given more development time.  It's an opportunity they should take.

I put fingers to keyboard for "the Cause."  I'd love to work as a writer at Bioware, but (being completely honest, as usual) I have no idea what kind of writers they're looking for... especially now.  That said, I am a storyteller at heart, so I am keenly aware of when a story legitmately doesn't make sense.

But Bioware themselves can make a better ending than that... yet alone someone else. 

 so if your claiming to be a "storyteller"  Did Brink Make Any sense? no it didn't  it got one of the worst reviews in gaming history  its replay Value was Far  Low to be considered a perfect  game let alone a good one at that  "including the crap they released in  PROMOS for it" "oh i can climb a wall and avoid a rocket"  "Wrong if that rocket hits the wall and your within its blast radius your dead" common sense   As for ME3  if you have not played ME2 or ME1  you need to go back and do it yourself because i Garrentee you that you missed a few "WAR ASSETS" that take place in Me3  Ex Asari Writings "conrad verner"   "your crew from ME2" "urdnot wrex's armor in ME1"   "tali's geth data in ME1" "rachni  in ME1"  "Feros in ME1"  "kasumi's black box from Kejii's mind" Dlc btw   also David Archer and Gavin Archer also play effect in it as well  hell i could Spoil The whole damn thing if i wished to without caring what it may do down the road.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Sarah Knight wrote...
 so if your claiming to be a "storyteller"

I am.

Did Brink Make Any sense? no it didn't  it got one of the worst reviews in gaming history  its replay Value was Far  Low to be considered a perfect  game let alone a good one at that  "including the crap they released in  PROMOS for it" "oh i can climb a wall and avoid a rocket"  "Wrong if that rocket hits the wall and your within its blast radius your dead" common sense   As for ME3  if you have not played ME2 or ME1  you need to go back and do it yourself because i Garrentee you that you missed a few "WAR ASSETS" that take place in Me3  Ex Asari Writings "conrad verner"   "your crew from ME2" "urdnot wrex's armor in ME1"   "tali's geth data in ME1" "rachni  in ME1"  "Feros in ME1"  "kasumi's black box from Kejii's mind" Dlc btw   also David Archer and Gavin Archer also play effect in it as well  hell i could Spoil The whole damn thing if i wished to without caring what it may do down the road.

Is that a rhetorical question?

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 25 avril 2012 - 10:32 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Trust me, if you were to ask every retaker or anti-ending person whether they're ranting without a cause just to burn Bioware, the answer would be "no."

The attacks aren't even really aimed at Bioware itself, it's the actual work (trial by fire). If a story can withstand scrutiny, then there's your artistic integrity. If it falls apart easily, then the story needs work.. and the best artists/writers would want to ensure their work has the legs to withstand criticism (of any kind... as long as it's legitimate).

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 25 avril 2012 - 10:39 .

[Sarah Knight]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...
 so if your claiming to be a "storyteller"

I am.

Did Brink Make Any sense? no it didn't  it got one of the worst reviews in gaming history  its replay Value was Far  Low to be considered a perfect  game let alone a good one at that  "including the crap they released in  PROMOS for it" "oh i can climb a wall and avoid a rocket"  "Wrong if that rocket hits the wall and your within its blast radius your dead" common sense   As for ME3  if you have not played ME2 or ME1  you need to go back and do it yourself because i Garrentee you that you missed a few "WAR ASSETS" that take place in Me3  Ex Asari Writings "conrad verner"   "your crew from ME2" "urdnot wrex's armor in ME1"   "tali's geth data in ME1" "rachni  in ME1"  "Feros in ME1"  "kasumi's black box from Kejii's mind" Dlc btw   also David Archer and Gavin Archer also play effect in it as well  hell i could Spoil The whole damn thing if i wished to without caring what it may do down the road.

Is that a rhetorical question?

You could think that but any TRUE story Teller would know the answer to brinks Demise even halo wars for that matter and honestly  with all the babies out their moaning about   "Me3s ending"  i bet you 1-5 of them  never played Me1-2 fully   if they had they'd see their choices  did matter and their is an ending in Me3 that lets Shepard LIVE.
Also  Any True teller would not Use  INTERNET for their sources  it would be on their mind   not some one elses facts  Just putting that out to

Modifié par Sarah Knight, 25 avril 2012 - 10:45 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Sarah Knight wrote...
You could think that but any TRUE story Teller would know the answer to brinks Demise even halo wars for that matter and honestly  with all the babies out their moaning about   "Me3s ending"  i bet you 1-5 of them  never played Me1-2 fully   if they had they'd see their choices  did matter and their is an ending in Me3 that lets Shepard LIVE.

I'm not a game reviewer, I don't play every game out there.

Most of the people complaining about ME3's ending are likely the ones that did play atleast one other title in the series.  The ones who complain care... which means they experienced enough Mass Effect to make them care.  ME3 provides only a small incentive to care compared to if you played through the entire trilogy.

As someone said, the more you know about Mass Effect's story and lore, the more you hate the endings.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Also, the negative speculation against Bioware is a symptom, not a cause. Some fans no longer trust them... because they feel betrayed by what was done in ME3.

I'm personally not one of those people, but if you take time to consider it, it's clear to see where it's all coming from.



This shouldn't break Bioware, but it should be the wake up call they need to be more uncompromising in delivering a complete story that's consistent and plot hole-free out of the box.  If they can't do that, they don't really have any business adding other modes and diverting their resources away from their single-player-focused series (MP could've been DLC added at a later date).  It's an opportunity to do better, not a threat to do worse.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 25 avril 2012 - 10:58 .

[Sarah Knight]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...
You could think that but any TRUE story Teller would know the answer to brinks Demise even halo wars for that matter and honestly  with all the babies out their moaning about   "Me3s ending"  i bet you 1-5 of them  never played Me1-2 fully   if they had they'd see their choices  did matter and their is an ending in Me3 that lets Shepard LIVE.

I'm not a game reviewer, I don't play every game out there.

Most of the people complaining about ME3's ending are likely the ones that did play atleast one other title in the series.  The ones who complain care... which means they experienced enough Mass Effect to make them care.  ME3 provides only a small incentive to care compared to if you played through the entire trilogy.

As someone said, the more you know about Mass Effect's story and lore, the more you hate the endings.

then you should be   "mass effect lore" to the Commen Sense person who  Reads the manga's and the entire "mass effect 1-3 games would  prove that Entirely false   "those That complain"  obviously  likes to upset the  balance of a good company  basically  trying to Re inact the other company's that failed to  survive because of allot of big babies  just "FLAME"    at the company without Talking to the company themselves with a calm Mind  not an angry   Psychopathic mind  thats hell bent on destroying a good company Let alone  if these people who constantly flame  i bet only played "1 or 2 games" and none of the manga  series  which the true common sense would be to Read and play all of Mass effects Lore   to understand what the Dev Team and publishers are trying to point out in Shepards story  its pointless for them to flame  at bioware because the "retake" movement  wont happen at all  till the next title release Every Said company today out to date did exactly what bioware is doing  and if their is going to be a Brink 2 their going to improve on their failures "which i doubt their will be" the point is  the Flaming Side needs to put their Tampons in grow a pair of balls and Talk  Calmly to bioware  not Rage  at them because Soon enough Bioware will not care about you  babies and listen to those that Explain their point of view calmly.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Sarah Knight wrote...
then you should be   "mass effect lore" to the Commen Sense person who  Reads the manga's and the entire "mass effect 1-3 games would  prove that Entirely false   "those That complain"  obviously  likes to upset the  balance of a good company  basically  trying to Re inact the other company's that failed to  survive because of allot of big babies  just "FLAME"    at the company without Talking to the company themselves with a calm Mind  not an angry   Psychopathic mind  thats hell bent on destroying a good company Let alone  if these people who constantly flame  i bet only played "1 or 2 games" and none of the manga  series  which the true common sense would be to Read and play all of Mass effects Lore   to understand what the Dev Team and publishers are trying to point out in Shepards story  its pointless for them to flame  at bioware because the "retake" movement  wont happen at all  till the next title release Every Said company today out to date did exactly what bioware is doing  and if their is going to be a Brink 2 their going to improve on their failures "which i doubt their will be" the point is  the Flaming Side needs to put their Tampons in grow a pair of balls and Talk  Calmly to bioware  not Rage  at them because Soon enough Bioware will not care about you  babies and listen to those that Explain their point of view calmly.

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" -Durant
 
One bad ending is not going to kill Bioware... it's how Bioware responds that will ultimately determine that.  I personally don't think they're going anywhere.  You also seem to not notice, but the outcry partially stems from the perception that Bioware already doesn't care (and that they're just after profit margins, cutting costs, and incentivising DLC).

[OlympusMons423]

I may get why some might be tired of hearing about the same kind of things over and over again... but I don't get the near pride in grinding their heals on the backs of people, who on the most part, have a good reason not to like the ending as it was. People are happy that BioWare would stick to its guns on this kind of ending... really?

[Sarah Knight]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...
then you should be   "mass effect lore" to the Commen Sense person who  Reads the manga's and the entire "mass effect 1-3 games would  prove that Entirely false   "those That complain"  obviously  likes to upset the  balance of a good company  basically  trying to Re inact the other company's that failed to  survive because of allot of big babies  just "FLAME"    at the company without Talking to the company themselves with a calm Mind  not an angry   Psychopathic mind  thats hell bent on destroying a good company Let alone  if these people who constantly flame  i bet only played "1 or 2 games" and none of the manga  series  which the true common sense would be to Read and play all of Mass effects Lore   to understand what the Dev Team and publishers are trying to point out in Shepards story  its pointless for them to flame  at bioware because the "retake" movement  wont happen at all  till the next title release Every Said company today out to date did exactly what bioware is doing  and if their is going to be a Brink 2 their going to improve on their failures "which i doubt their will be" the point is  the Flaming Side needs to put their Tampons in grow a pair of balls and Talk  Calmly to bioware  not Rage  at them because Soon enough Bioware will not care about you  babies and listen to those that Explain their point of view calmly.

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" -Durant
 
One bad ending is not going to kill Bioware... it's how Bioware responds that will ultimately determine that.  I personally don't think they're going anywhere.  You also seem to not notice, but the outcry partially stems from the perception that Bioware already doesn't care (and that they're just after profit margins, cutting costs, and incentivising DLC).

Fyi  i did notice the outcry but those are from people who "Assumed"  that everything from youtube was Meant to be beleived "aka the indoctrination theory"  i  can   accurately say that  its true because look at the polls and how many idiots believe that to be true? When in the entire Series their was no mention "of indtrination theory" in the games itself Sure  their was indoctrination in Me1-3 but it was never never a theory  Me2   Dark Energy theory  and reapers Me1 explains the start of the ME Franchise  Me3 Explains your choices  THAT YOU MADE  in all 3 of the game titles and no buying the 15minute Dlc  On ME2 Does not work because their are Major Missing plots regardless of your choices you make in that DLC "which in my opinon was bw's  "Downfall" you need to play both 1-3 Fully without cutting corners  which as i said   half of the RETAKE ME3  Movement Clearly  either Did  or Came close to it and joined in one of the games that they did not understand so they ended up joining the side thats flaming  without caring about the Side that Does not care what you or  those little Cry babies think that obviously have no understanding   ive played Me1-2 over 40 times  and now currently playing Me3 for the 25th time thus far  it has those missing plots  that you babies are solely Not seeing   Some of your Assets  DO NOT carry into Me3 the Major  ones do  which are the ones i stated to you  that you took  as a rhetorical question  the minor ones only Show in Me2 the choices that are major Stay in #3   that helps you with your war assets or your paragon/renagade scores. and im obviously starting to believe your trying to be a troll it seems cause all you do is try to prove me wrong im literally a Die hard fan of ME franchise  not many can say that they have "Everything that  was able to be bought from ME franchise"  i can i have everything that came out for M.E  and honestly  people need to learn that Flaming  does not help their Cause whether you believe it or not All it will cause is a negative backlash at you cry babies and also bioware starting to not care about you  the true aproach to W/e you babies are moaning about is to talk to them Calmly with a clear mind as i keep saying  "and really that quote from Durrant?" Thats Low  and pointless to state here because  its IRRELAVANT TO YOUR CAUSE AND DEFENSE you can try to defend yourself over and over by Lying  to the true fans  but honestly we stopped caring about you guys for not Seeing  the information in front of your fat lazy selves

[WaffleCrab]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...


Um...?
I'm saying that if "fans" continue to do this kind of "occupy" and "retake" crap gaming companies will eventually stop attempting to please their customers all together once a game is out.
They may get a few scraps here and there by screaming...but eventually the cry baby gets ignored.
If gamers were more respective, and tried to HELP a company, said company would be more inclined to listen more openly NEXT time...

Gues your living under a rock, Look at valve, they are a company that actually listens and acts according to the fan outcries, there is so much **** people complain on the steam forums, and valve fixing them as they go. The proper way to treat outcries like this is what they are doing. Shut em up by fixing the ****, bioware is only loosely trying to do this, and thats why you have **** like this.

And what comes to helping. its a 2 way street. The customer gives hes trust, feedback and money for the dev. where the dev gives the customers their moneys worth, keep their promises(trust) and fix the issues according to feedback. Break that bond in any part and the customer and dev are likely to part ways.

[Chris Priestly]

Ok, no longer Mass Effect 3 related so closed.

The Retake movement is still alive as has been mentioned.


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