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[ArtoxHavon]

It is hard, but i still believe in humanity. So i am waiting for that DLC. I see some ways how it can make things better. Wound will not be healed however. And i will have to cut star kid from ME3 in my mind if not in game.

[wolfstanus]

lillitheris wrote...

classy. First loudly demand that people “give the EC a chance” (the EC you wouldn't have without said entitled whiners), and then when they do, start with the snide commentary about them not being around.

Truly…classy.

I don't think you were around during their personal attack on anybody who liked the game/calling for people to be fired/threats on the company etc etc. they were not exactly angels. Another thing is the ending was planned from the beginning. Within a day bioware stated "if you knew what we were planning you would hold onto your copy of me3" retake movement thinks they accomplished a lot. They didn't 

[Dendio1]

nycmode75 wrote...

Raizo wrote...

Bioware/EA outsmarted us. They announced the ME3 extended cut DLC, said that it would be out in the Summer of 2012 but did not give us a solid release date. It's not like anyone can complain about the fact that Bioware does not care or that they are not doing anything to fix some of ME3's problems ( the major once at least ) because they are doing something, the thing is that none of us will know if this DLC will make ME3 more enjoyable until we get our hands on it and this forces the people behind the movement into taking a 'wait and see' approach and putting the Retake Me3 movement on hold for now. By the time the ME3 EC comes out most of will either no longer give a **** or we would have moved on to something else so if the DLC sucks the chances of the Retake ME3 movement starting again is very slim.

Bingo.  In corporate America, it's called CYA.  If you work in management or have management experience, you will know what I'm talking about.  EA pulled one of those things that happen all the time in offices etc.  Gotta love CYA

Its their game. If they want to leave it on a crappy note so be it. Provided they continue making good games ill keep buying. I got myself emotionally invested in the Mass effect series, but I learned my lesson. Its just a game. I enjoyed playing it.

[loudent3]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I recognize a great loss of supporting signatures and threads about it, the official Facebook page got completely silent, fundraisers are closed, cupcake action lays some time in the past...

What about "Hold the Line"?
Did the movement got finally killed with the Extended Cut or what?

RetakeME3 was dead before it got started. They were never going to redo the ending. Never intended to live up to the promises they made during development. However, the consequences of the RetakeME3 movement will continue to be felt with many people holding the "wallet" so to speak.

i.e. No purchased ME3 DLC *ever*. No preordering of bioware games and avoiding paying full price for EA/Bioware titles (waiting a few weeks until it hits the bargain bin)

[Dendio1]

It kind of irked me how everyone in retake used the word WE so often. Who is this WE and why has nobody notified me about it?

The WE question is what ultimately led to retakes downfall. It showed itself strongly after extended cut was announced

Remember that 30,000 dollars WE considered raising for a billboard with vague language near EA head quarters?

Modifié par Dendio1, 19 avril 2012 - 06:15 .

[thunderhawk862002]

wolfstanus wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

classy. First loudly demand that people “give the EC a chance” (the EC you wouldn't have without said entitled whiners), and then when they do, start with the snide commentary about them not being around.

Truly…classy.

I don't think you were around during their personal attack on anybody who liked the game/calling for people to be fired/threats on the company etc etc. they were not exactly angels. Another thing is the ending was planned from the beginning. Within a day bioware stated "if you knew what we were planning you would hold onto your copy of me3" retake movement thinks they accomplished a lot. They didn't 

I'm part of the movement and I'm happy for anyone that likes the endings, provided that I don't get attacked for not liking them.  So blanket statement is false.  There are also some that are happy about the ending attacking those who do not as well.  Both sides are at fault.

Secondly you have no idea what BioWare's statement meant.  They could have meant MP DLC, Aria's DLC, or some other single player content.  Furthermore, they stated beforehand that all dlc that would be released would be pre ending.  So yes they changed plans.

[Kyda]

I do not participate much; mostly I got the sig because it represented what I felt about the ending. Do I like it? No. Was it the sort of ending I believed this great trilogy deserved... hell no! Can I live with the current ending if they explain themselves and they give it a little more sense and closure... yeah, I guess. I am not thrill about them not changing the end or giving us at least more options taking our previous choices into account but I can wait for the EC before actually deciding if it is worth keep expressing my sadness and frustration about it.

[nycmode75]

Dendio1 wrote...
 

Its their game. If they want to leave it on a crappy note so be it. Provided they continue making good games ill keep buying. I got myself emotionally invested in the Mass effect series, but I learned my lesson. Its just a game. I enjoyed playing it.

Yup, it's very corporate-like to do just enough where you can silence the critics, but actually solve nothing or very little at all.  

[M8DMAN]

After seeing the way Bioware handled ME3 and the fans reaction's I don't think I can support them anymore. 

Modifié par M8DMAN, 19 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[Rotkaepchen]

wolfstanus wrote...

They wanted a lot
Their focus... They had no focus.
The younger kids found another bandwagon to join.

The ones with a chip on their shoulder created. "retake gaming" personaly I think it will end up like PETA. Good intentions retards get in will turn into a semi terrorist thing fall apart from the inside and die.
They got bored and left.
Some are still around...
Some are reasonable...
A lot are not.
With some if you liked the game you the enemy.

Sweet Jesus, what a LOAD OF BULL !!

The ones of us who are wanting a remake of the endings are still here voicing our opinion.

If the EC will become what BW announced it intends to do - clarification - then it's a waste of time, money and other ressources. What's to gain by polishing a turd ?

But it will allways come down to this: satisfy your customers and they'll keep buying your products. If BW thinks, it can f*** with us, then we won't buy its other DLCs and / or future games - as simple as that.

Modifié par Rotkaepchen, 19 avril 2012 - 06:22 .

[wolfstanus]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

wolfstanus wrote..

lillitheris wrote...
classy. First loudly demand that people “give the EC a chance” (the EC you wouldn't have without said entitled whiners), and then when they do, start with the snide commentary about them not being around.
Truly…classy.

I don't think you were around during their personal attack on anybody who liked the game/calling for people to be fired/threats on the company etc etc. they were not exactly angels. Another thing is the ending was planned from the beginning. Within a day bioware stated "if you knew what we were planning you would hold onto your copy of me3" retake movement thinks they accomplished a lot. They didn't 

I'm part of the movement and I'm happy for anyone that likes the endings, provided that I don't get attacked for not liking them.  So blanket statement is false.  There are also some that are happy about the ending attacking those who do not as well.  Both sides are at fault.
Secondly you have no idea what BioWare's statement meant.  They could have meant MP DLC, Aria's DLC, or some other single player content.  Furthermore, they stated beforehand that all dlc that would be released would be pre ending.  So yes they changed plans.

I know both sides are at fault. Retake had more faults though you have to agree with that. With the endings you don't know what they were planning and saying we got you guys a new ending is pointless because you have no real idea.

[thunderhawk862002]

Rotkaepchen wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...

They wanted a lot
Their focus... They had no focus.
The younger kids found another bandwagon to join.

The ones with a chip on their shoulder created. "retake gaming" personaly I think it will end up like PETA. Good intentions retards get in will turn into a semi terrorist thing fall apart from the inside and die.
They got bored and left.
Some are still around...
Some are reasonable...
A lot are not.
With some if you liked the game you the enemy.

Sweet Jesus, what a LOAD OF BULL !!

The ones of us who are wanting a remake of the endings are still here voicing our opinion.

If the EC will become what BW announced it intends to do - clarification - then it's a waste of time, money and other ressources. What's to gain by polishing a turd ?

But it will allways come down to this: satisfy your customers or they'll keep buying your products. If BW thinks, it can f*** with us, then we won't buy its other DLCs and / or future games - as simple as that.

Yeah with DA3 about to be kicked into high gear this is a great chance to convince the fans that they've still got it.  They struck out with a lot of fans with DA2, and then botch ME3's ending (in some people's eyes). So if the extended cut fails to placate aggreived fans, how many people are going to have faith that BioWare can hit a home run with DA3?

[MystEU]

Dendio1 wrote...

It kind of irked me how everyone in retake used the word WE so often. Who is this WE and why has nobody notified me about it?

The WE question is what ultimately led to retakes downfall. It showed itself strongly after extended cut was announced

Remember that 30,000 dollars WE considered raising for a billboard with vague language near EA head quarters?

There was a pretty big divide in retakers' ideas about the ending. Some people demanded the entire ending be scrapped and changed, which was never going to happen. I honestly think the majority simply wanted more closure/explanation which is the route that Bioware is going. Obviously that fits in the category of what is reasonable for the developers to actually do, instead of changing it altogether, but I saw many more posts saying that people just wanted more closure. So the extended cut is going to address that closure. Redoing the entire thing was never a reasonable option in the first place, IMO.

Waiting and seeing about the extended cut. Hoping I can walk away from the trilogy with a bit more but it's still been a hell of a journey.

[TreguardD]

In a word to the OP: No.

[Kajan451]

mireisen wrote...

It might blow up again if the EC doesn't meet their expectations. I mean, I'm super grateful that they were able to be heard and I, too, was disappointed in the game and signed a few petitions. But I wasn't as active because I do believe that BW WILL do whatever they want with their games.

Whether or not BW would lose my trust and I'd be totally turned off from purchasing or supporting their work later is up to the EC.

But it's the ate-a-fantastic-dinner-but-saw-a-roach-on-my-plate-near-the-end situation with me. I still have a bad taste in my mouth and just scratching my butt at this moment.

I'd replace the fantastic with fine, otherwise i can agree to that.

I am waiting for the Extended Cut, i am thankful for it being free, so they haven't lost me as a possible customer yet, however the Extended Cut will be the final decision for me.

I loved Bioware in the past for what they did and i could easily laude them for Baldurs Gate I and II which still remains some of my favorit games. I could easily laude them for Star Wars Kotor 1+2 (a series they killed when they went MMO - and seriously, MMO is dead)... or the amazing Jade Empire. There is so much i could laude them for, but personally i think since Dragon Age Origins it has gone down the gutter.

ME2 was an ok game, and i certainly wish i had have the Suicide Mission for ME3s ending, but after Dragon Age 2 and now ME3... i am fairly certain Bioware has used up every last favor i had for them in my books. The Extended Cut prevents me from turning my back on them, and i remain willing to listen to their next project... but thats about the extend of it.

I don't open threads on this forum and the issue isn't forgotten in my book. It never will be. ME3s blunder is epic in my mind... i've never been this disappointed in 20 years of Videogaming and i have seen a lot of bad endings to video games in that time. So yeah.. ME3 will remain with me for all the wrong reasons for a long, long time.

Dragon Age 2 and ME3.. thats two things they really have to make up for in my book. And the arrogance and statments that went along with it, just makes me realize how less they care about their customers. So yeah... Bioware is no longer what it used to be in my book.

That said.. the issue is a dead horse and beating it only provides so much fun. I am going to return for the Extended Cut, maybe using my last bioware points to buy the From Ashes DLC, then i think i am about done with Bioware as brand. Everything that comes after this, and if i am going to be a customer in the future will depend on their performance on their next titles. If Customer Reviews (i stopped caring about professional reviews since the first Reviews of World of Warcraft hit) are good and friends want to buy it.. or i am walking at it cheap enough to take it home, i will purchase their next product. Anything short than that... all i can say will be left is to say: I loved their stuff when i did... and now they can make the rest of the way without me

And i know they won't care either way.

Modifié par Kajan451, 19 avril 2012 - 06:34 .

[tobiasks]

No it is not dead.

[thunderhawk862002]

wolfstanus wrote...

I know both sides are at fault. Retake had more faults though you have to agree with that. With the endings you don't know what they were planning and saying we got you guys a new ending is pointless because you have no real idea.

Oh sure I'll agree to that.  Simply because there were more of us, especially in the early stages.  Then you had people coming on here knowing full well they were going to be banned for what they said because they didn't care anymore.  Now I'd say there seems to be equal numbers, but at times one side will completely over match the other.  

Well no one's saying we got new endings because we didn't.  However, if you believe their press statements then the movement got them to create content that they didn't have planned.  I think Gamble said recently that they aren't even in pre production yet.

[Blazingkats]

Everything dies sooner or later.

[jeweledleah]

retake movement is basically an equivalent of "occupy wall street" good intentions, execution? sometimes good, sometimes, not so much. and in the end, it has no choice but to fizzle away, like all wars of atrition.  they just end becasue one party got exausted before the other.  and nobody wins in the end.

I'm still a member of the movement, but only out of solidarity. My heart is not in it anymore. not becasue of the movement as much as because of realizing, truly realizing how futile all this is. Bioware that made Baldur's gate, KOTOR, ME1, DAO - that Bioware is gone. its never coming back. Mass Effect 3 has far more issues then just the endings. and I don't see them being fixable via patch. not for me.

its not an excellent game. its a fun diversion with excellent moments, but the whole is... to me, its actually far worse then DA2 in overall execution. and at this point just like relationships sometimes - its beyond being salvageable. despite all the good times and great memories? going forward, Bioware lost appeal to me. I wish them all the best as we part ways and secretly hope that people responsible for brilliant moments? leave and strike out on their own. hey, it worked for people who are making Torchlight.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 19 avril 2012 - 06:47 .

[Weskerr]

The Retake movement is a sleeping giant right now. As soon as they're woken up, the controversy will be reignited.

[Skarwael]

I think the extended cut is the best we're going to get, though it's not exactly what many of us wanted. I'm still surprised it's going to be free, but I wonder how much effort they're going to put into it considering that.

[BellatrixLugosi]

M8DMAN wrote...

After seeing the way Bioware handled ME3 and the fans reaction's I don't think I can support them anymore. 

It's kinda hard to respond correctly to temper tantrums..............esspecially when they are given by people in the 16-40 age range.

Frankly they handled it pretty ok