The last loud pocket was slain by the mighty fleet I was commanding. Remnants are still here and there but my spies and special forces actively search for them and when they will be found there will be no mercy for those traitor and heretic.
Not sad a bit that most of them are gone.
Is the RetakeME3 movement dead?
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#102
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 09:29
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Maybe more and more people are coming around and 'getting' the ending. As anticipated by Bioware the ending has become a massive talking point, spawning many analyses and interpretations online and between friends.
I can understand many peoples frustration with some of the perceived inconsistencies prevalent in the final cutscenes, but the Extended Cut i am sure will deal with these; whilst maintaing the overall emotional tone of the ending(s) which for me is the it's greatest triumph.
I can understand many peoples frustration with some of the perceived inconsistencies prevalent in the final cutscenes, but the Extended Cut i am sure will deal with these; whilst maintaing the overall emotional tone of the ending(s) which for me is the it's greatest triumph.
#103
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 09:32
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AlanC9 wrote...
What would Retake think was an acceptable EC? Or an unacceptable one?
Most likely a complete rewrite of the ending from Starchild on. A sentiment I totally sympathize with, but is probably unfeasible. And not just from an "artistic integrity" point of view.
At this point all we can really do is sit back and hope Bioware can MacGyver an ending most of us can be satisfied with out of the materials given. Not optimistic, but maybe I'll be surprised.
#104
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 09:33
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Loaded question is loaded.
No it's not dead. However, as every person with a bit of common sense knows, there's nothing more to be said about it until EA/Bioware puts out the so called 'Extended Cut'. And all questions like this do is annoy those that are quietly waiting.
Most protesters have already resigned that they're not finantially supporting BioWare anymore. I for one have cut subscription with SWTOR and am in the policy never to buy new from them again until I see an improvement with their customer relations, and a very large portion of how long that is maintained is how they handle this so called Extended cut.
But if you've any illusions that this won't pick up again when the Extended Cut gets released, you're lying to yourself.
No it's not dead. However, as every person with a bit of common sense knows, there's nothing more to be said about it until EA/Bioware puts out the so called 'Extended Cut'. And all questions like this do is annoy those that are quietly waiting.
Most protesters have already resigned that they're not finantially supporting BioWare anymore. I for one have cut subscription with SWTOR and am in the policy never to buy new from them again until I see an improvement with their customer relations, and a very large portion of how long that is maintained is how they handle this so called Extended cut.
But if you've any illusions that this won't pick up again when the Extended Cut gets released, you're lying to yourself.
#105
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 09:36
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thunderhawk862002 wrote...
Rotkaepchen wrote...
wolfstanus wrote...
They wanted a lot
Their focus... They had no focus.
The younger kids found another bandwagon to join.
The ones with a chip on their shoulder created. "retake gaming" personaly I think it will end up like PETA. Good intentions retards get in will turn into a semi terrorist thing fall apart from the inside and die.
They got bored and left.
Some are still around...
Some are reasonable...
A lot are not.
With some if you liked the game you the enemy.
Sweet Jesus, what a LOAD OF BULL !!
The ones of us who are wanting a remake of the endings are still here voicing our opinion.
If the EC will become what BW announced it intends to do - clarification - then it's a waste of time, money and other ressources. What's to gain by polishing a turd ?
But it will allways come down to this: satisfy your customers or they'll keep buying your products. If BW thinks, it can f*** with us, then we won't buy its other DLCs and / or future games - as simple as that.
Yeah with DA3 about to be kicked into high gear this is a great chance to convince the fans that they've still got it. They struck out with a lot of fans with DA2, and then botch ME3's ending (in some people's eyes). So if the extended cut fails to placate aggreived fans, how many people are going to have faith that BioWare can hit a home run with DA3?
lol. yeah...
With DA2 being what it was, people kept saying, ME3 is a different team, it will be better. This time they will do good. Even though Arrival already gave the warning lights people kept having this weird faith in Bioware to do the right thing, despite evidence pointing the other direction.
Now I'm already starting to see the same trends again. DA3 will be better, and so on...
Yeah right.
Sorry, I don't buy it. Bioware have prooved pretty good what direction they want to take their games, and it's not one I can agree with. People can delude themselves for as long as they want that 'the next time will be different', I'm not gonna jump on that wagon, though. Bioware is dead for me as far as anything that isn't a hefty discounted Steam sale goes. EA the same.
Gonna be fun watching next time they release a demo of their next title and seeing people again try the statements of "But things will be better in the game, the demo is not the finished product..." It seems to be the norm with Bioware products to make those claims now. Heavens knows why some people still believe in firing off those statements when evidence clearly shows that the demo shows very well what people get in the actual products.
#106
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 09:37
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i believe they are waiting for the extended cut to see what its like before starting up again there still holding the line but just waiting from what a few people have said
#107
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 09:37
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Everything that needed to be said has been said. Right now we are just waiting for the new dlc.
#108
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 09:38
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The admins of the Retake movement were in a car accident. We're still around, still growing, still annoying the heck out of the forums. 
#109
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 09:43
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SalsaDMA wrote...
thunderhawk862002 wrote...
Rotkaepchen wrote...
wolfstanus wrote...
They wanted a lot
Their focus... They had no focus.
The younger kids found another bandwagon to join.
The ones with a chip on their shoulder created. "retake gaming" personaly I think it will end up like PETA. Good intentions retards get in will turn into a semi terrorist thing fall apart from the inside and die.
They got bored and left.
Some are still around...
Some are reasonable...
A lot are not.
With some if you liked the game you the enemy.
Sweet Jesus, what a LOAD OF BULL !!
The ones of us who are wanting a remake of the endings are still here voicing our opinion.
If the EC will become what BW announced it intends to do - clarification - then it's a waste of time, money and other ressources. What's to gain by polishing a turd ?
But it will allways come down to this: satisfy your customers or they'll keep buying your products. If BW thinks, it can f*** with us, then we won't buy its other DLCs and / or future games - as simple as that.
Yeah with DA3 about to be kicked into high gear this is a great chance to convince the fans that they've still got it. They struck out with a lot of fans with DA2, and then botch ME3's ending (in some people's eyes). So if the extended cut fails to placate aggreived fans, how many people are going to have faith that BioWare can hit a home run with DA3?
lol. yeah...
With DA2 being what it was, people kept saying, ME3 is a different team, it will be better. This time they will do good. Even though Arrival already gave the warning lights people kept having this weird faith in Bioware to do the right thing, despite evidence pointing the other direction.
Now I'm already starting to see the same trends again. DA3 will be better, and so on...
Yeah right.
Sorry, I don't buy it. Bioware have prooved pretty good what direction they want to take their games, and it's not one I can agree with. People can delude themselves for as long as they want that 'the next time will be different', I'm not gonna jump on that wagon, though. Bioware is dead for me as far as anything that isn't a hefty discounted Steam sale goes. EA the same.
Gonna be fun watching next time they release a demo of their next title and seeing people again try the statements of "But things will be better in the game, the demo is not the finished product..." It seems to be the norm with Bioware products to make those claims now. Heavens knows why some people still believe in firing off those statements when evidence clearly shows that the demo shows very well what people get in the actual products.
Well that was my point. They botched DA2, botched the finale of ME3 and now it's back to the Dragon Age series. Back to the series that was botched in the minds of some of the fans. So if fans were expecting a recovery with ME3 and it dropped the ball, what hope is there that DA3 is going to get it right since DA2 failed to live up to expectations of some of the fans in the first place. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if pre-order sales were down from all of this. Although I'm sure people will flock back if DA3 is amazing.
*Just to make clear I'm not saying all fans hated DA2 and ME3*
#110
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 09:49
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Eh.... the weekend was over and alot of the supporters had to go back to their respective toll booths and didn't have time
#111
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 09:55
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There's nothing to 'get' about the ending. It is just plain bad writing and execution.gavccu wrote...
Maybe more and more people are coming around and 'getting' the ending.
On topic: A lot of people have lives and do not wish to spend all day here posting when their struggles obviously got them nothing - as a consequence a lot of those people abandon EA as a company they want to buy from.
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#112
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 09:56
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The movement wanted better endings. This does NOT automatically mean entirely new endingsMr Massakka wrote...
...totally what the movement wanted:?Naughty Bear wrote...
Well they achieved their goal. Bioware are releasing the extended cut that will provide more closure.
#113
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 09:57
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Oh but it does because we only have one ending.IsaacShep wrote...
The movement wanted better endings. This does NOT automatically mean entirely new endingsMr Massakka wrote...
...totally what the movement wanted:?Naughty Bear wrote...
Well they achieved their goal. Bioware are releasing the extended cut that will provide more closure.
#114
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 10:02
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Nah, for them to win my purchase of DA3, they first need to display that they are doing more than listening to their customers. They need to display that they VALUE their customers, in terms of feedback, through the entirety of their process - not just after the fact when their fans throw a fit and then forget everything they did right before.
In short, they need to keep us in the loop, listen to us early in production phases and take the time to pay attention when what they plan to do sets of red flags on our end.
It's not as players haven't expressed the very concerns that came up in both DA2 and ME3 before it exploded in their face. We warned them, they said they listened, but ended up ultimately ignoring us. That's the sticking point here. They need to understand that listening isn't enough these days. They need to pay better attention to the issues raised by customers and address them before they become a fiasco.
In short, they need to keep us in the loop, listen to us early in production phases and take the time to pay attention when what they plan to do sets of red flags on our end.
It's not as players haven't expressed the very concerns that came up in both DA2 and ME3 before it exploded in their face. We warned them, they said they listened, but ended up ultimately ignoring us. That's the sticking point here. They need to understand that listening isn't enough these days. They need to pay better attention to the issues raised by customers and address them before they become a fiasco.
#115
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 10:03
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Let's just enjoy the peace and quiet while it lasts. It has become rather annoying and dull to log on to the forums and see nothing but rage going back and forth between parties over completely idiotic arguments. Especially lately reading some of the threads.......wow is all I have to say about that.
#117
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 10:09
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Sgt Stryker wrote...
thunderhawk862002 wrote...
Some people have been banned for obvious reasons. Some people gave up on BioWare, Some are waiting for the extended cut DLC. Some may have moved on to other games at the time being. That's just on these boards. The Retake movement is going on and evolving to a Retake Gaming movement apparently.
That's good. As a whole, the gaming industry needs a swift kick in the pants.
Too bad they will fail, look at the groups who tried to reform the movie or music industry, and whether they were successful. Ultimatly, the industry will decide to change on it's own, when it feels like it, and anyone trying to force the change will swiftly become irrelevant to the discussion.
Should have stuck to mass effect 3's ending alone, they might have actually achieved their goal than.
#118
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 10:16
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Dead? Not very likely. There's only so much protest that can be done while waiting for more information on the extended cut.
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Posté 19 avril 2012 - 10:41
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No, it's not 'dead'. Many members are just waiting until EAware releases the Extended Cut DLC. Others have abandoned EAware as a whole and have put their interests elsewhere. And yet other people are just busy with real life and have other stuff to do than whining on these forums all day. I thought that was quite obvious, no?
#120
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 10:46
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Something isn't truly dead untill it voids it's bowels.
#121
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 10:51
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You can only chant "Hold the Line" and engage in faux-military bravado for so long before it starts to wear you down.
#122
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 10:53
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Actually, there was a concerted and highly orchestrated effort to drive most unhappy people out.
If you go back through the threads you'll find...
-There are a small set of names that appear in defense of EA, they are present in each topic.
-There's a pattern to the names, each set focuses on specific issues and doesn't appear initially to take on issues that are handled by the other names. (Origin, Endings, FTC, BBB, Retake)
-Those names are generally not found posting outside of appearing to handle hot topics, when they do, the information posted at times creates contradictions, as if the intent was just to establish the username, not discuss things, and little attention was paid to making sure the things they discuss were even possible.
-When one of the usernames gets in trouble, and it's arguements caving, it's not uncommon for another one to suddenly appear to draw fire.
-Often the usernames work in tandem, with one taking the role of belligerence to flame someone who is negative, with the intent to discredit them, while the other tries to present supportive arguements that are often factually incorrect if one investigates the statements. Characteristics of a community manipulation tactic originally used during the Day Trader craze to shift stock prices.
-Quite often the usernames will work to derail the thread in order to get it closed. Either through trying to redirect the topic to some less damaging discussion, or should that fail, by trying to bait it into devolving into a flame war. Especially used when the topic is something the username cannot rationally argue against. Again, a community manipulation tactic from the Day Trader craze designed to insure the information that they don't want seen is quickly stifled.
I've no idea who or where it was orchestrated from, I'm not saying EA or Bioware had anything to do with it. I'm just saying someone(s) made a careful effort to drive out anyone who was concerned. It's just as possible it was a grassroots counter by fanatics, or a covert effort by some of the Gaming Journalists. Whoever it was, was working together.
I don't think you realize the extent of the issue, this is years of frustration with the gaming industry in general boiling over, and I doubt highly it's anywhere near done. Mainly because sales are dropping by major percentages month after month.
The Industry isn't an unstoppable powerhouse, it's very dependent on it's population, and it does not have resources to withstand even a short term customer rebellion. Given the numbers I've seen, it's unlikely EA, or any other company (except Activision), could last much more than 6 months of a staring contest. Their revenue streams and resourcers are that fragile.
The Gaming Press is even less stable, it's only as viable as Gamers allow it to be, and given that most gamers feel the Gaming Press is now just PR for companies, I seriously question their ability to survive for much longer. IMO, their pro-publishers stance just bought them a fast ticket to insolvency.
If you go back through the threads you'll find...
-There are a small set of names that appear in defense of EA, they are present in each topic.
-There's a pattern to the names, each set focuses on specific issues and doesn't appear initially to take on issues that are handled by the other names. (Origin, Endings, FTC, BBB, Retake)
-Those names are generally not found posting outside of appearing to handle hot topics, when they do, the information posted at times creates contradictions, as if the intent was just to establish the username, not discuss things, and little attention was paid to making sure the things they discuss were even possible.
-When one of the usernames gets in trouble, and it's arguements caving, it's not uncommon for another one to suddenly appear to draw fire.
-Often the usernames work in tandem, with one taking the role of belligerence to flame someone who is negative, with the intent to discredit them, while the other tries to present supportive arguements that are often factually incorrect if one investigates the statements. Characteristics of a community manipulation tactic originally used during the Day Trader craze to shift stock prices.
-Quite often the usernames will work to derail the thread in order to get it closed. Either through trying to redirect the topic to some less damaging discussion, or should that fail, by trying to bait it into devolving into a flame war. Especially used when the topic is something the username cannot rationally argue against. Again, a community manipulation tactic from the Day Trader craze designed to insure the information that they don't want seen is quickly stifled.
I've no idea who or where it was orchestrated from, I'm not saying EA or Bioware had anything to do with it. I'm just saying someone(s) made a careful effort to drive out anyone who was concerned. It's just as possible it was a grassroots counter by fanatics, or a covert effort by some of the Gaming Journalists. Whoever it was, was working together.
Too bad they will fail, look at the groups who tried to reform the movie or music industry, and whether they were successful. Ultimatly, the industry will decide to change on it's own, when it feels like it, and anyone trying to force the change will swiftly become irrelevant to the discussion.
Should have stuck to mass effect 3's ending alone, they might have actually achieved their goal than
I don't think you realize the extent of the issue, this is years of frustration with the gaming industry in general boiling over, and I doubt highly it's anywhere near done. Mainly because sales are dropping by major percentages month after month.
The Industry isn't an unstoppable powerhouse, it's very dependent on it's population, and it does not have resources to withstand even a short term customer rebellion. Given the numbers I've seen, it's unlikely EA, or any other company (except Activision), could last much more than 6 months of a staring contest. Their revenue streams and resourcers are that fragile.
The Gaming Press is even less stable, it's only as viable as Gamers allow it to be, and given that most gamers feel the Gaming Press is now just PR for companies, I seriously question their ability to survive for much longer. IMO, their pro-publishers stance just bought them a fast ticket to insolvency.
Modifié par Gatt9, 19 avril 2012 - 10:56 .
#123
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 11:00
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Mr Massakka wrote...
What about "Hold the Line"?
Did the movement got finally killed with the Extended Cut or what?
I think the movement was falling behind on their schoolwork and had to catchup or else mummy and daddy will cut off their allowance.
#124
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 11:05
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LOLEvo_9 wrote...
I think the movement was falling behind on their schoolwork and had to catchup or else mummy and daddy will cut off their allowance.
#125
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 11:11
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I, like a lot of people, am waiting to see how the extended cut plays out. I'm sure a lot of folks will be back with a vengeance if the extended cut is just three minutes of Mr. Hudson playing the violin.
Although it would be a better ending than what we got.
EDIT: I really don't get all these "LOL Retake failed cause they stopped posting!" style posts in this thread. Did you really want us to keep it up even after what a lot of us wanted got announced? Goodness sake people.
Although it would be a better ending than what we got.
EDIT: I really don't get all these "LOL Retake failed cause they stopped posting!" style posts in this thread. Did you really want us to keep it up even after what a lot of us wanted got announced? Goodness sake people.
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