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[TheOptimist]

[quote]AlanC9 wrote...

Thanks, TheOptimist. Useful to have some actual content in the thread,

[quote]TheOptimist wrote...
1. Shepard is rather likely to have empirical proof that Starkid is wrong.  Shepard should be able to argue with Starkid and his insane troll logic, rather than accepting it without comment.  In theory, Shepard should also be able to change the beams specific effects based on that conversation.  [/quote]

Assuming the beams actually can be used in any other fashion. Alien super-advanced technology doesn't have to work in a fashion the PC would like. Even if the Starkid thinks Shepard's got a point, it still doesn't necessarily make better options available. You can, and should, have the argument even if the choices don't change.[/quote]

My thinking tends to be more along the lines of why wouldn't there be better options available.  For instance, we already know the catalyst can send out a signal that affects only the Reapers, via the control option.  So why wouldn't there be an option to send out a signal to destroy the Reapers, and ONLY the Reapers?  And as for it being alien technology, we built the crucible.  Having explained what it does, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to tweak the targeting software.  But this is conjecture.

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6.  Why the lack of Mass Effect relays does not doom the galaxy to permanent isolation and/or civilizational death in many cases needs to be explained and shown in game.[/quote]
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Civilizational death? I never quite figured out why people would assume this was a possibility. Even without relays, mass effect drives are awesomely fast. Much better than, say, Star Trek ships.
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To use just one example, the Krogan's planet is slowly going to die because you destroyed the device keeping the atmosphere breathable (the Shroud).  It is stated that the Krogan will have to leave for colony worlds to survive.  The Krogan have also not been allowed ships, they have no fleet of their own.  How will the population reach those colonies before the air runs out, now that the fleets that could have transported them are stranded at Earth with years of travel before they can reach their own home systems, much less Tuchanka or the Krogan colony worlds?  Questions like this beg answers like 'they can't', thus the assumption the Krogan are doomed even if you cured the Genophage.  This and questions like this are caused by the destruction of the Mass Effect Relays, and if the Relays are to remain destroyed, then the writing team needs to tell us how it affected the rest of the galaxy.

Modifié par TheOptimist, 20 avril 2012 - 04:08 .

[AJRimmsey]

TheOptimist wrote...
To use just one example, the Krogan's planet is slowly going to die because you destroyed the device keeping the atmosphere breathable (the Shroud).  It is stated that the Krogan will have to leave for colony worlds to survive.  The Krogan have also not been allowed ships, they have no fleet of their own.  How will the population reach those colonies before the air runs out, now that the fleets that could have transported them are stranded at Earth with years of travel before they can reach their own home systems, much less Tuchanka or the Krogan colony worlds?  Questions like this beg answers like 'they can't', thus the assumption the Krogan are doomed even if you cured the Genophage.  This and questions like this are caused by the destruction of the Mass Effect Relays, and if the Relays are to remain destroyed, then the writing team needs to tell us how it affected the rest of the galaxy.

Mass effect 5 - save the krogan

your username is flawed

[Documental]

Personally I never agreed with them because I didn't mind the ending and here's why. People kept saying that they felt as thought there were too many loose ends and I can get that there were some but for me, I felt that the entire game was tying up loose ends over the entire franchise. I mean look at Tuchunka, that was in the mix from the first game and you finally got to act on the genophage or the war between the geth and the quarians, again you got to finally tie that up.

I just felt like I accomplished a hell of a lot throughout the entire game and that the final assault on Earth was the moment where everything you had done through the three games was finally focused on this one mission, you'd done all the major things like Tuchunka and Rannoch.

The ending wasn't great, I get that but it wasn't terrible for me because I expected Shepherd to die and I expected that to be the end of my character for these three games. I didn't get full closure as I'd have liked an epilogue but I got alot of closure personally and that's why I don't mind the ending and why I just couldn't agree with Retake.

[CARL_DF90]

Yet another person who does not understand the problems and damage that the endings cause for the overall lore, story, and above all narrative coherence. Watch this vid and it'll give you some additional insight into why this is.

[thunderhawk862002]

Documental wrote...

Personally I never agreed with them because I didn't mind the ending and here's why. People kept saying that they felt as thought there were too many loose ends and I can get that there were some but for me, I felt that the entire game was tying up loose ends over the entire franchise. I mean look at Tuchunka, that was in the mix from the first game and you finally got to act on the genophage or the war between the geth and the quarians, again you got to finally tie that up.

I just felt like I accomplished a hell of a lot throughout the entire game and that the final assault on Earth was the moment where everything you had done through the three games was finally focused on this one mission, you'd done all the major things like Tuchunka and Rannoch.

The ending wasn't great, I get that but it wasn't terrible for me because I expected Shepherd to die and I expected that to be the end of my character for these three games. I didn't get full closure as I'd have liked an epilogue but I got alot of closure personally and that's why I don't mind the ending and why I just couldn't agree with Retake.

Well one part of the big Tuchunka storyline is wrapped up, another is left up in the air.  Who makes the better leader in the end Wrex or Wreav? You can compare it to Bhelen and Harrowmont.  You would think Harrowmont would make the best ruler, but ultimately Bhelen is the best choice.

Edit: Not to mention the warning that the Krogan would overtake the universe if cured.

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 20 avril 2012 - 05:14 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I recognize a great loss of supporting signatures and threads about it, the official Facebook page got completely silent, fundraisers are closed, cupcake action lays some time in the past...

What about "Hold the Line"?
Did the movement got finally killed with the Extended Cut or what?

If it is, I'll do a little jig because I've seen enough threads involving billboards and cupcakes and people who need group therapy for one lifetime. 

[Sangheili_1337]

We can only wait and see what Bioware has planned. The extended cut is slated for summer, you can't expect the constant high volume of threads talking about the ending in the months prior. If the extended cut doesn't work out, expect a similar out burst seen when the game was released. There is also the factor that some gamers lost interest in the series because they don't expect the ending to be fixed.

The official press release by Bioware said as much.

[CARL_DF90]

Yeah, I know more than a few who have left these forums entirely after the ending debacle. They saw Bioware as a mere shell of its former self that is beyond hope under the EA umbrella. Me personally? I'm holding out a modicum of hope before writing everything off completely. I'm hoping Bioware has been holding to it's montra of "we're listening" and actually does something that fixes these problems. We'll just have to wait and see come summer time.

[Miekkas]

I'm among the crowd in the regard that I am still upset about the ending, but it is mostly just a fresh scar until I see what happens with the Extended Cut. Unless the DLC absolutely turns the ending situation around, I honestly would wash my hands of Bioware for how badly they have handled not only the ending situation between the writing and PR, but also the situations concerning the Day One DLC, the face import bug that is still persisting after supposedly being fixed, Tali's face being nothing more than an inserted photoshop picture, and host of bugs in the "finished" game. It isn't just the endings I'm upset about, but a combination of all of those factors I mentioned that would and could make me walk away from Bioware for good.

[ManualReplica]

It became pretty obvious after the announcement that Bioware doesn't actually give a crap about what the fanbase thinks.

Some people eventually figure out that no matter how much you yell at brown rocks they will never turn into gold. The end. Oame Gver.

[OverchargedTeslaCoil]

I think the name "Extended Cut" explains what's going on in the DLC.

It usually adds more footage, perhaps some deleted scenes but rarely does an EC radically change what it's put in. I doubt that ME3's EC will be any different.

It's a shame. We've stuck with the series for hundreds of our precious hours; regardless whether or not people think it's cliche, don't those who want a happier ending deserve one--especially in a character- and choice-driven series like Mass Effect?

(I hope I didn't give away any spoilers. Please tell me if you see any, thank you!)

Modifié par OverchargedTeslaCoil, 20 avril 2012 - 06:38 .

[sangy]

I think most people have said what they've felt they wanted/needed to already. Nothing has really changed otherwise. The ending is still an issue for many.

[karek]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I recognize a great loss of supporting signatures and threads about it, the official Facebook page got completely silent, fundraisers are closed, cupcake action lays some time in the past...

What about "Hold the Line"?
Did the movement got finally killed with the Extended Cut or what?

Actually, like mine, they've been "mysteriously" disappearing off of some user's accoints. 

There's been a growing number of nonexistent user signatures lately on bsn.

Modifié par karek, 20 avril 2012 - 07:18 .

[AlanC9]

TheOptimist wrote...
My thinking tends to be more along the lines of why wouldn't there be better options available.  For instance, we already know the catalyst can send out a signal that affects only the Reapers, via the control option.  So why wouldn't there be an option to send out a signal to destroy the Reapers, and ONLY the Reapers?  And as for it being alien technology, we built the crucible.  Having explained what it does, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to tweak the targeting software.  But this is conjecture.

Note that "built" doesn't mean "understood;" one thing Bio did make sure to convey was that no one knew what the Crucible was really supposed to do

To use just one example, the Krogan's planet is slowly going to die because you destroyed the device keeping the atmosphere breathable (the Shroud).  It is stated that the Krogan will have to leave for colony worlds to survive.  The Krogan have also not been allowed ships, they have no fleet of their own.  How will the population reach those colonies before the air runs out, now that the fleets that could have transported them are stranded at Earth with years of travel before they can reach their own home systems, much less Tuchanka or the Krogan colony worlds?  Questions like this beg answers like 'they can't', thus the assumption the Krogan are doomed even if you cured the Genophage.  This and questions like this are caused by the destruction of the Mass Effect Relays, and if the Relays are to remain destroyed, then the writing team needs to tell us how it affected the rest of the galaxy.

You sure about the Shroud? The Codex entry doesn't support that, and I don't recall it from my playthrough. My understanding was that stabilizing the planet's habitability was already done. However, I don't have a save from the appropriate point to verify this.

[Phategod1]

I hope so!

[Farbautisonn]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
If it is, I'll do a little jig because I've seen enough threads involving billboards and cupcakes and people who need group therapy for one lifetime. 

.Odd...

The "anti-Retakers" You, AJ, Draggun', Tazz etc are all E-psycologists. Strange. I dont remember anyone soliciting analysis and yet you all seem to think that anyone who disagrees with the "artistic vision"™ are not only stupid but also need psychiatric help. Did you people go to the same E-psych academy together? 

Id say its either projection or a complete inability to argue your case coherently. Most likely a combination of both. But do go on. It makes you look precisely what you are.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 20 avril 2012 - 07:43 .

[BellatrixLugosi]

Farbautisonn wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
If it is, I'll do a little jig because I've seen enough threads involving billboards and cupcakes and people who need group therapy for one lifetime. 

.Odd...

The "anti-Retakers" You, AJ, Draggun', Tazz etc are all E-psycologists. Strange. I dont remember anyone soliciting analysis and yet you all seem to think that anyone who disagrees with the "artistic vision"™ are not only stupid but also need psychiatric help. Did you people go to the same E-psych academy together? 

Id say its either projection or a complete inability to argue your case coherently. Most likely a combination of both. But do go on. It makes you look precisely what you are.

What's is there to disagree with?  It's their Intellectual property.

[Farbautisonn]

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
If it is, I'll do a little jig because I've seen enough threads involving billboards and cupcakes and people who need group therapy for one lifetime. 

.Odd...

The "anti-Retakers" You, AJ, Draggun', Tazz etc are all E-psycologists. Strange. I dont remember anyone soliciting analysis and yet you all seem to think that anyone who disagrees with the "artistic vision"™ are not only stupid but also need psychiatric help. Did you people go to the same E-psych academy together? 

Id say its either projection or a complete inability to argue your case coherently. Most likely a combination of both. But do go on. It makes you look precisely what you are.

What's is there to disagree with?  It's their Intellectual property.

-Sure it is. And they can do with it whatever they choose. Just as long as they dont expect people to buy it or be happy about it.

And please. Do us all a favor? Dont presume to be E-psychologists? Its cheap and can blow up in your face.

[Sharn01]

There are still a lot of screamers, I think most people like me who where completely unsatisfied with the ending are willing to just wait and see what happens with the DLC. If the issues are not adressed by then there is not much more you can do other then stop pre-ordering games.

[Farbautisonn]

Sharn01 wrote...

There are still a lot of screamers, I think most people like me who where completely unsatisfied with the ending are willing to just wait and see what happens with the DLC. If the issues are not adressed by then there is not much more you can do other then stop pre-ordering games.

-Lots of things we can do. Pleeenty of things to do.

[Kajan451]

 

JasonDaPsycho wrote...

Withold the wallet, however, is still very much alive. I hope EA doesn't gut Bioware for whatever's that left, and lay off all of its employees.

From where i am standing thats the best that could happen to us customers. Bioware still has talented people who are, for whatever reason, don't seem to have a say in it anymore. If EA decided to cut employees lose it would mean that talent would move to other companies. Obsidian, Bethaseda, i could even imagine Activision or CCP, all of them probably would welcome every single one of the writers and graphic designers and everything else.

Its not like these talented people would fear unemployment. They would only loose their position at EA, maybe, worst case, have to move to another studio. Talented people don't need to worry about their jobs, they are never out of one.

However if EA would cut said ties, it would spill all that talent to other companies, maybe even see them opening their own studio if they do it largescale, but also keep the people that made the decisions this time around. Those people are busy with their movie deals and such. So basically we get Bioware back and EA gets to keep those responsible for this mess.

As a customer, i say thats a Win-Win situation. EA can keep their crappy stuff and go produce some the SIMs and another spin off of Spore or something, and we get the talented writing back we once associated with the name Bioware.

Imperium Alpha wrote...

The last loud pocket was slain by the mighty fleet I was commanding. Remnants are still here and there but my spies and special forces actively search for them and when they will be found there will be no mercy for those traitor and heretic.

Not sad a bit that most of them are gone.

Oh, your spiesand hunting parties do a rather bad job. Neither was there some battle, nor did i see some mighty fleet and i kinda haven't moved either... so you might want to go and check for them. Maybe they feel unwell.

xsdob wrote...

Too bad they will fail, look at the groups who tried to reform the movie or music industry, and whether they were successful.

The Music industry was never in so much trouble as it is right now. With Bands going Rogue and uploading their songs for free on their websites, people rather getting Music from Youtube than to buy it and with a couple other things. Disc Sales are down, and they have to use all their leverage they can pull (unfortunately thats working in more corrupt countries) with goverments to do their very best to ensure they can threaten and close about everything the companies don't like. SOPA and co... which basically would allow them to pressgang Youtube into giving them more money or getting court warrants to shut down their site.

You say they are not successful? Well i say they are so successful the Movie and Music industry has to go to this desperate lengths in order to justify their existance.

xi ShadowWolf x wrote...

Its in Cryo till this, "Extended Cut DLC" Comes out, haha. I'm pretty sure people will explode about it again when its out. lol.

Nah, i am done exploding. I will quietly take my hat and leave

QwertyMusicMan wrote...

We're getting Extended Cut. Bioware is listening. They're working to improve ME3. What else could we want?

Yeah they are listening, they just don't care. If they would care, they would have given people what they wanted, instead of doing exactly what everyone said they wouldn't want.

Hope dies last and as such i am going to hope to be wrong and the Extended Cut offering a couple cutscenes which actually show my decisions to matter. Realistically however, i don't expect more than the insult and trolling we already got.

Having the Chef coming out and explaining to me how the salted sauce, the frozen peas and the spoiled meat is actually all some extravagant highlight and how amazed i probably should have been, if i just could have understood why the sauce was salted, the peas frozen and the meat spoiled.

[KingZayd]

Naughty Bear wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Well they achieved their goal. Bioware are releasing the extended cut that will provide more closure.

...totally what the movement wanted:?

What did they want? That was the impression they gave me, more closure.

Different endings is not the same thing as more closure.  Some of us want more options than synthesis, control and destroy.  The Reapers winning by destroying everyone and the galactic forces winning through some other means than the star child's options are the most requested I believe.  Although some want the star child completely removd.

Isn't some of those wants a tad unrealistic?

A new ending? Removing the star child from the game?

idealistic maybe

[Haargel]

Wait and see.
In the meantime I´m playing the series from start again. It´s fun !

[YeKnight94]

Those that havn't gave up already are waiting on the dlc

[palker]

I personally gave up a hope of seeing endings that would not suck. After they announced that extended cut would not contain any new endings just some clarity and closure whatever. Now i am just enjoying bit of multiplayer and i started playing STALKER CoP which seems to be more RPG than ME3 while being FPS. I will not touch ME3 or its predecessors singleplayer again. Well maybe i will play the extended cut DLC that is all.