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[Bigdoser]

Shepard was turning stupid for every step that he/she took on earth

[Icinix]

Nightwriter wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

OP doesn't even mention that Shepard fails to ask the Catalyst why he is taking vent kid's form.

Shepard should have reacted to this. Big time. Only way the Catalyst could know the vent kid's form is to read it from Shepard's mind. Shepard should deduce this immediately, and it should inspire questions, if not outright suspicion. Anything that can read your mind might be able to influence it, too. It might be able to deceive you. And as soon as it announces that it is the commander of the Reapers, the creator of the cycle, and thus probably the founder of indoctrination, the caution should really kick into gear.

Oh, but Shepard did react. Consider this: If the Starchild hadn't appeared to us as the Starchild, but rather as StarSovereign or StarHarbinger, how differently do you think people would have chosen? Such a simple trick, and yet it works so well.

... What?

People have said countless times that the Starturd appeared to us in an innocuous form to trick us.

How does this mean Shepard "reacted" to anything.

Yeah - as a trick it failed. My first playthrough on 'control' (LOL!) was returned to the player, I turned around and put many rounds into StarChilds head.

Had it been a Reaper form, I wouldn't have bothered.

Modifié par Icinix, 20 avril 2012 - 08:40 .

[fchopin]

Luckily for me i don’t use the stupid Shepard in my games so he or she comes out ok.

You can make anyone look stupid whoever they are it all depends on what you like.

[KingZayd]

Icinix wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

OP doesn't even mention that Shepard fails to ask the Catalyst why he is taking vent kid's form.

Shepard should have reacted to this. Big time. Only way the Catalyst could know the vent kid's form is to read it from Shepard's mind. Shepard should deduce this immediately, and it should inspire questions, if not outright suspicion. Anything that can read your mind might be able to influence it, too. It might be able to deceive you. And as soon as it announces that it is the commander of the Reapers, the creator of the cycle, and thus probably the founder of indoctrination, the caution should really kick into gear.

Oh, but Shepard did react. Consider this: If the Starchild hadn't appeared to us as the Starchild, but rather as StarSovereign or StarHarbinger, how differently do you think people would have chosen? Such a simple trick, and yet it works so well.

... What?

People have said countless times that the Starturd appeared to us in an innocuous form to trick us.

How does this mean Shepard "reacted" to anything.

Yeah - as a trick it failed. My first playthrough on 'control' (LOL!) was returned to the player, I turned around and put many rounds into StarChilds head.

Had it been a Reaper form, I wouldn't have bothered.

I did too.. and then i forgot where i was meant to go.. [accidental synthesis ] Didn't work on everyone, but it did work on many. Just look at the people who selected control and synthesis.

[Cheesesack]

Wow, there's been a lot of debate in here. That's good. I guess Mr. Hudson is getting the 'speculations' he wanted after all. Anyway, I think the main reason it's so difficult to argue for or against Shepard being idiotic is that the entire scene makes no sense. Everything the Starchild says is so illogical and so canon breaking that it defies most attempts to even explain why it's bad. I'll give it a shot though:

• From the very start, the Catalysys says something stupid. It calls the Reapers 'Reapers'. Now, what did Sovereign say: 'A name given to us by the Protheans to give a face to their destruction etc. etc.' So, was Sovereign lying? Is 'Reapers' their actual name? Does the Starchild use this name because that's what Shepard knows them as? If they've always been called Reapers by the Starchild then why did Sovereign say that?
• Are the Reapers sentient or not? The implication is that they are...but they're being controlled? So are they slaves or programmable machines? Are they even aware they're being controlled? Again, Sovereign and Harbinger's dialouge seems to support that they don't know about the Catalyst, or simply don't want to tell you for...some reason. The Catalyst is fine showing himself to you at the end, so what's up with that?
• Why did the Catalyst make the Reapers so evil? So if he made them and is controlling them, why'd they have to be such dicks? What's with all the horrific torture and ghastly monstrosities they make? The needlessly cruel methods of indoctrinating, converting and harvesting people? He seems to imply that they're a necessary evil to save organics. Why make them malevolent and not nice/apologetic or even just neutral? I admit, apologetic Reapers would be stupid, but it is the logical choice and the story has failed if it's written in such a way where the logical choice is a stupid one. And if the Reapers are just like that because they're sentient...why. This leads on to...
• How do the Reapers preserve a race? They don't look like the race...or maybe they do? Is the shell we see just the outside and inside they look different? Are the destroyers lesser races? Can a race be used to make multiple Reapers? Anyway, if the idea is that they embody the race, why are they evil? They're either sentient in which case, they would surely be nice and unwilling to murder everyone unless brainwashed/controlled by the Catalyst, or they're non sentinet in which case the Catalyst made them that way. In either case, the Catalyst is a horrific monster being needlessly cruel for no reason. If the Reapers are just a machine however, with none of the races identity, then what's the point? So, they're like giant flying DNA banks? Why bother? They're never going to repopulate the galaxy with these species, that would defeat the purpose of the cycle. So we get to live on as either a vat of DNA which serves no purpose, or we get to maintain out conciousness as a species but are forced to commit horrific attrocities. Great.
• He says that the fact you're an organic, standing there, proves his solution won't work anymore. Why? What does this change at all? Based on your EMS, you're given a choice of one, two or three endings, denoted by which paths extend to you in the final bit of gameplay. Why not just not extend the paths? He could just sit there, hell, he could not have even showed up. Shepard would have no clue what to do. He could have not evenraised the lift in the first place. Shepard passes out, Crucible does nothing and then the Reapers blow the living hell out of it. Cycle continues as per usual. Thinking about it, what's the urgency at the end anyway? The Catalyst seems resigned to the fact you're gonna scrw over his plan for...some reason. He doesn't even bother to tell the Reapers to come and try and destroy the Crucible.
• If all these other solutiuons work, why didn't the Catalyst do it himself? Okay, so he doesn't want to destroy the Reapers (although he also makes no effort to stop you from doing so yourself...in fact he even helps you by extending the path and not getting the Reapers to blow the living s**t out of you and the Crucilbe). And control the Reapers is like the current thing that's happening. But he seems to love Synthesis a lot. Why doesn't he do it? In the millions of years between cycles, he can just get his Reapers to make whatever modifications necessary for it to work. He's supposedly a super-advanced AI with a race of god machines at this command. Even if he needs the power of the Crucilbe or something, he could just build the friggin thing himself and then set it off. If it solves his problem in a peaceful, non-cruel way, why doesn't he do it? The only alternative is that's he's retarded, incompetant or malevolent. Most probably all three.

Modifié par Cheesesack, 20 avril 2012 - 11:28 .