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[Fnork]

You know that laser harbinger hit him with ? It also blew off his spine.

[Bufardo74]

balmyrian wrote...


I'm definitely not saying I enjoyed the stuff, because I sure as hell didn't. But it's definitely not as absurd and stupid and random as people make it out to be. It's just very poorly handled and with no regard whatsoever for player investment.

^ = absurd and stupid, in my opinion.

[Abreu Road]

 Everytime Shepard steps on Earth he becames a completely retarded character.

''We fight or we die, that's it'' 

and

''so the Illusive Man was right''

[wright1978]

Ytook wrote...

(a re-post of one of my comments because it's relevant... and I'm lazy)

One of my problems with the catalyst is that this is Shepards nemesis, no matter how it appears or what it says that doesn't change the fact that this is the ultimate evil of the series, this being is the perpetrator of what is most likely the most horrific act of mass genocide possible for any being. It is the force you have fought against for over 100 hours made manifest, if it is the controller (let alone the creator) of the Reapers this being no matter what it is, is the devil incarnate. For Shepard to accept it's reasoning (particularly when it's such self contradictory nonsense, probably wrong by the events in the series itself which no amount of expansion can fix) so silently and passively is utterly ridiculous and will never work.

If I met a being I'd been fighting against for a significant portion of my life, who had planned and caried out the mass murder of countless trillions of beings over millions of years, who had been so deceitful, doing anything to achieve its goal of complete genocide, and it offered me three choices all of which will create effects so utterly preposterous as to be laughable, with the only guarantee being that I, the greatest threat to it, will die and never see the effects it promises, I would sure as hell not do what it said, I'd probably laugh that such a powerful being could try something so utterly pathetic to kill me.

Yep this. Shep rolling over and becoming the reaper god's dogsbody makes zero sense.

[zarnk567]

Fnork wrote...

You know that laser harbinger hit him with ? It also blew off his spine.

[KingZayd]

Gallifreya wrote...

This is where IT makes the most sense. Shepard is being influenced by her blood loss, lack of any major mobility (except walking slowly and lifting a gun), and the fact that s/he just lost his/her mentor, Anderson. She's weakened physically and mentally, and is in no condition to be making galaxy altering decisions.

Which is where the player is supposed to step in, and remind her of her goal:

DESTROY THE FRAKKING REAPERS.

perfect. add that to the fact that Shepard's the most stressed he's ever been (ask Joker) and trauma/guilt that his dreams seem to indicate.

[Spectre Impersonator]

"So five year old hologram, what do I have to do?"

[goose2989]

The Angry One wrote...

Don't forget: "So the Illusive Man was right!".

I mean, really? WHY WOULD YOU EVER SAY THAT!?
I facepalmed so hard when I heard that. Little did I know that wasn't even the worst of it.

Hologram kid even tells Shepard that the Illusive Man was indoctrinated, but he still had the right idea? I call bologna 

Modifié par goose2989, 19 avril 2012 - 07:11 .

[fr33stylez]

Animositisomina wrote...

"I... don't know."

LOL. classic.

[balmyrian]

The Angry One wrote...

balmyrian wrote...

Shepard doesn't give up though, Shepard loses him/herself in the obsessive idea "stop the Reapers".

Shepard does not stop the Reapers. Shepard gives up and follows the commands of the Reaper king.

It's a way like any other to end a trilogy if it's done right. Clearly in this case it's definitely not done right, and it goes and contribute to a wider pool of problems that make the whole thing very bad.

Because while you can end certain stories with it, it doesn't fit THIS story, at all.

I'm definitely not saying I enjoyed the stuff, because I sure as hell didn't. But it's definitely not as absurd and stupid and random as people make it out to be. It's just very poorly handled and with no regard whatsoever for player investment.

Unfortunately it is. It is absurd for a character like Shepard who is essentially larger than life, and a story like Mass Effect, which has always been based on hope.

Okay. So essentially I'm wrong on all accounts and you're right? That's pretty nice.

[balmyrian]

Bufardo74 wrote...

balmyrian wrote...


I'm definitely not saying I enjoyed the stuff, because I sure as hell didn't. But it's definitely not as absurd and stupid and random as people make it out to be. It's just very poorly handled and with no regard whatsoever for player investment.

^ = absurd and stupid, in my opinion.

At least you do describe it as your opinion, therefore I can definitely not just understand, but also respect that you feel that way.

[Vigil_N7]

Alright, try to imagine this.

Think of the greatest pain you've ever experienced. It bloody hurt a heck of a lot I bet. Now imagine how much pain you'd be under if you were LASERED by the largest and oldest of all the reapers.

Nightmarish stuff right? Well imagined if you survived that, and now half your armor is burnt onto your SKIN. One minute you were running to the conduit, and now half of Hammer Fleet is dead, your armor is destroyed and burnt, you're near death and your damn confused at what the hell happened.

Then when you finally reach the conduit - you're teleported to some bizarre place on the citadel in which hundreds of dead humans lie in front of you, waiting to be processed. When you finally reach the control room, an indoctrinated Illusive Man is there with Anderson, an argument breaks out, and best case scenario TIM kills himself, mortally wounding Anderson in the process.

After spending your final moments with your mentor, father-like figure in Anderson, you "activate" the crucible, but nothing happens, losing a lot of blood and feeling dazed, you faint.

When you get up, you're greeted with this strange, ghost-like presence. As you look around your location, you can see the hulking reapers destroying Alliance fleets,

At this point, dazed, losing a lot of blood, confused, you see that you actually have a way to end the reaper threat, even if it means listening to this ghost-like presence. You know it can end in one of two ways at that point, you don't use the catalyst and the reapers win, or you choose one of the solutions and hope for the best.

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Now tell me, if you were in Shepard's position, do you really think you would've acted any different? Shepard doesn't have the luxury of dissecting the Catalyst's circular logic, hell, most of BSN struggle to come to a consensus from their own comfortable chairs months after the ending has been released - how can you expect Shepard to act on logic based on the situation he was in?

Shepard did the only thing he could, choose one of the three options and hope for the best.

Modifié par Vigil_N7, 19 avril 2012 - 07:28 .

[CHALET]

Shepard is just entitled.

[Ieldra]

The Angry One wrote...
Don't forget: "So the Illusive Man was right!".

I mean, really? WHY WOULD YOU EVER SAY THAT!?
I facepalmed so hard when I heard that. Little did I know that wasn't even the worst of it.

Why not? He *was* right after all. It *is* possible to control the Reapers.

[AtlasMickey]

Let's see how well you do when you're DYING.

[mokbass87]

One too many glasses of space brandy?

[The Angry One]

Ieldra2 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Don't forget: "So the Illusive Man was right!".

I mean, really? WHY WOULD YOU EVER SAY THAT!?
I facepalmed so hard when I heard that. Little did I know that wasn't even the worst of it.

Why not? He *was* right after all. It *is* possible to control the Reapers.

Um. Nobody ever said it was impossible.
What Shepard said up till now was that it was not worth the gamble, and that it was too much for one human to handle.
Oh but now suddenly TIM was right? What, because the leader of the Reapers says so?

[The Angry One]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Let's see how well you do when you're DYING.

Prove Shepard was dying.

Hint: Max EMS destroy directly contradicts you.

[moater boat]

Tleining wrote...

because Shepard was pretty much brainless for all of ME3?
"Why should i go to the Citadel, the fight is here."
"Cerberus is supposed to be the Sword protecting Humanity not the Dagger in the back."

let's not get started on the whole conversation with the Security Council.

I agree, From the very beginning of the game I was asking myself "What is Shepard doing? He is acting like a total idiot"

[RogueBot]

balmyrian wrote...

Shepard is broken at that point. There is no more "Shepard", just a soldier.

This much is made extensively clear in the writing and the entire game foreshadows that point where "too much is too much", even for Shepard. We get a much more emotional characters who's going through a lot more inner struggle while sticking to the "I'm just a soldier" line.

Now is it the toll of War or is it both War and struggle against indoctrination? Who knows. Same result either way.

I didn't like the ending either, but I feel that a bit too many people have been made obstuse and pigheaded by the ending debacle.

He'd have to be broken as hell to not even attempt to ask obvious questions.


God the writing sucked so bad...

[wright1978]

Vigil_N7 wrote...

Alright, try to imagine this.

Think of the greatest pain you've ever experienced. It bloody hurt a heck of a lot I bet. Now imagine how much pain you'd be under if you were LASERED by the largest and oldest of all the reapers.

Nightmarish stuff right? Well imagined if you survived that, and now half your armor is burnt onto your SKIN. One minute you were running to the conduit, and now half of Hammer Fleet is dead, your armor is destroyed and burnt, you're near death and your damn confused at what the hell happened.

Then when you finally reach the conduit - you're teleported to some bizarre place on the citadel in which hundreds of dead humans lie in front of you, waiting to be processed. When you finally reach the control room, an indoctrinated Illusive Man is there with Anderson, an argument breaks out, and best case scenario TIM kills himself, mortally wounding Anderson in the process.

After spending your final moments with your mentor, father-like figure in Anderson, you "activate" the crucible, but nothing happens, losing a lot of blood and feeling dazed, you faint.

When you get up, you're greeted with this strange, ghost-like presence. As you look around your location, you can see the hulking reapers destroying Alliance fleets,

At this point, dazed, losing a lot of blood, confused, you see that you actually have a way to end the reaper threat, even if it means listening to this ghost-like presence. You know it can end in one of two ways at that point, you don't use the catalyst and the reapers win, or you choose one of the solutions and hope for the best.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now tell me, if you were in Shepard's position, do you really think you would've acted any different? Shepard doesn't have the luxury of dissecting the Catalyst's circular logic, hell, most of BSN struggle to come to a consensus from their own comfortable chairs months after the ending has been released - how can you expect Shepard to act on logic based on the situation he was in?

Shepard did the only thing he could, choose one of the three options and hope for the best.

Nope, Shep became the dogsbody to the genocidal reaper god. That's the one thing he/she would never do, no matter how wounded he/she was.

[Ieldra]

Vigil_N7 wrote...
Alright, try to imagine this.

Think of the greatest pain you've ever experienced. It bloody hurt a heck of a lot I bet. Now imagine how much pain you'd be under if you were LASERED by the largest and oldest of all the reapers.

Nightmarish stuff right? Well imagined if you survived that, and now half your armor is burnt onto your SKIN. One minute you were running to the conduit, and now half of Hammer Fleet is dead, your armor is destroyed and burnt, you're near death and your damn confused at what the hell happened.

Then when you finally reach the conduit - you're teleported to some bizarre place on the citadel in which hundreds of dead humans lie in front of you, waiting to be processed. When you finally reach the control room, an indoctrinated Illusive Man is there with Anderson, an argument breaks out, and best case scenario TIM kills himself, mortally wounding Anderson in the process.

After spending your final moments with your mentor, father-like figure in Anderson, you "activate" the crucible, but nothing happens, losing a lot of blood and feeling dazed, you faint.

When you get up, you're greeted with this strange, ghost-like presence. As you look around your location, you can see the hulking reapers destroying Alliance fleets,

At this point, dazed, losing a lot of blood, confused, you see that you actually have a way to end the reaper threat, even if it means listening to this ghost-like presence. You know it can end in one of two ways at that point, you don't use the catalyst and the reapers win, or you choose one of the solutions and hope for the best.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now tell me, if you were in Shepard's position, do you really think you would've acted any different? Shepard doesn't have the luxury of dissecting the Catalyst's circular logic, hell, most of BSN struggle to come to a consensus from their own comfortable chairs months after the ending has been released - how can you expect Shepard to act on logic based on the situation he was in?

Shepard did the only thing he could, choose one of the three options and hope for the best.

I agree that it's OK to have to choose among the three options in the end. But not before challenging the Catalyst. A few lines would've done it:

C: "Without us to prevent it, synthetics would destroy all organics"
S: "That doesn't make any sense. Synthetics are just like other people. They want to live free. If you let them, they'll leave you alone. They can even be your allies."
C: "Synthetics can self-improve faster than organics. Once more intelligent than organics, they'll treat them like you treat species of lesser intelligence. As you say, they're just like other people."
S: "You're telling me the alliance will not last?"
C: "Yes....."

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 avril 2012 - 07:39 .

[Lookout1390]

More like why is shepard such a p***y in the end.

I'm sorry, I thought I was playing as the great Commander Shepard who built a career on doing the impossible, not a beta-whipped gimp nods his/her head in compliance.

may as well give the star-child a riding crop.

[KingKhan03]

Shepard went full retard.

[Karolus_V]

Perhaps is because there is a scene cut, in this part: When the astroreaperboy tells shepard that if he or she doesnt select one of the choices he gives him/her, he is going to be in every dream, yes even on "those" dreams...

So shepard suddenly became idiot after think about it.