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[JaegerBane]

Kronner wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

For those of us who dislike NG+, an objective consideration would be the fact that the Falcon AR is not available until nearly the end of the game. For the other 90%, Ash's passives and sniper rifle make her a significantly better option (particularly considering the shotgun choice is a little thin on the ground up until mid-game, too).

The Particle Rifle isn't  a bad option for him, though.

Yes, PR would be my 2nd choice for Vega. That said, Ashley is not as good as James, regardless of weapon loadout. Simply because James has much better ammo power and better grenades. And you don't get Ashley until mid-game, so I am not sure why you said that "shotgun choice is a little thin on the ground up until mid-game ". 

Her grenades aren't as good, no, but then I don't use her for her grenades. I've generally found the combination of Concussive Shot, BW, Revenant + Marksman and her passive to be a better package. She's much better for sitting at the back and hosing stuff down with bullets and CS. Vega's Carnage and Grenades make for better upfront damage but as an actual combatant, I've generally found he has to be placed too far up front for him to last very long, even with his stats.

The Incendiary ammo is a mixed bag - its only really great once its maxed out which takes a while. Disruptor ammo isn't that great in comparison but then, I'm not using Ash for her ammo.

My comment about shotguns wasn't anything to do with Ash, I was just pointing out that Vega's range of weapons isn't that great due to a restricted selection until mid-way through. You could circumvent this by plumping for the Wraith asap but the Wraith is typically the last weapon I buy from Spectre Reqs, whereas the BW is the first - which goes straight to Ash.

[Kronner]

JaegerBane wrote...

My comment about shotguns wasn't anything to do with Ash, I was just pointing out that Vega's range of weapons isn't that great due to a restricted selection until mid-way through. You could circumvent this by plumping for the Wraith asap but the Wraith is typically the last weapon I buy from Spectre Reqs, whereas the BW is the first - which goes straight to Ash.

Well, you can just slap AR on Vega so..

Anyway, it was good to read about your experience using Ash. Cheers!

[JaegerBane]

Kronner wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

My comment about shotguns wasn't anything to do with Ash, I was just pointing out that Vega's range of weapons isn't that great due to a restricted selection until mid-way through. You could circumvent this by plumping for the Wraith asap but the Wraith is typically the last weapon I buy from Spectre Reqs, whereas the BW is the first - which goes straight to Ash.

Well, you can just slap AR on Vega so..

Anyway, it was good to read about your experience using Ash. Cheers!

I think its a question of certain classes being more effective than the sum of their parts whereas other classes are basically walking power dispensers - EDI being an example of the latter, Garrus being one of the former. Some characters are best just being stuck somewhere and simply used as an extension to Sheps set of powers and shields whereas other characters actually have a set of powers, skills and weapons that make them work well as flanking partner.

Vega felt like he was the former whereas Ash worked like the latter... just that her firepower functionally worked like a passive (i.e. something working in the background to help me, as oppose to Vega taking hits and blasting things to bits on my command). It just so happened I found Ash needed less babysitting.

That said, both Ash and Vega definitely felt less all-round capable than the rest.

[BattleVisor]

EDI seems the most useless. Javik is the most difficult to use for maximum effectiveness

[jasonxxsatanna]

I don't think anyone squad mate is bad , its all about your play style and your Sheps class, I gave Ash the Widow and she did great with it and she is good with the Revvy in her hands too.
Vega seems to die the least . . .of course he is the tank build but takes less shoots than other squad mates.
EDI and Liara seem to be the most aggressive, they run out into the middle of gun fights often but both have good powers for the classes they rep. . . .Liara has the least amount of protection so she dies more often , where as EDI has better survival ability .
Garrus who I used about 80% in ME2 was great with any SR in hand ,especially with the Incisor , which sucked if Shep used . . .but any way he is ok in ME3 but Ash seems to be a better sniper than Garrus in this game she takes more shots . . . so I usually give him the Phaeston , works well with him
Javik , is better than I thought he would be, you actual see him fire and take cover and use powers often ,give him cryo or incendiary ammo along with the Particle Rifle. . . nuff said
Tali my first play thur she died a lot . . . did I mention she died a lot!
But she has very useful powers .
Kaidan, have not used yet .
So if you mean weakess as who dies quick, I would say Liara and Tali . . .

Modifié par jasonxxsatanna, 22 avril 2012 - 07:37 .

[Galateaaa]

Liara needs more babysitting (charging into turrets? >.<) than the rest but her powers are really useful
Ashley's the odd one out when talking about team synergy, so if I have her in the game I usually won't use her that much.

[icemount]

All classes are usefull, mostly depending on which class You play and how. Typical soldier classes are great if You are mostly BIO or TECH, but then also You can use other power characters to go for combos and weapons are secondary damage dealers. Try out Kaidans AOE Reave with Shep Vanguard... ka-boom, ka-boom, ka-boom, no need for a third companion

[Jaimehere]

EDI is pretty ****ing useless IMO

[Bfler]

 Vega?

www.youtube.com/watch

[Magicman10893]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Actually I can think of one. That invisible guy who hands avenger assault rifles and predator pistols for your squad just for the cutscenes. You never talk to that guy. But this one deserves weakest squadmate for contributing nothing except breaking immersion.

I'm surprised he made it this far into the series without being killed off. Ever since ME1 I loathed this guy for always recommending my Vanguard to use an Assault Rifle or my Soldier to use a Predator. I wish I could've left him to die on Virmire instead.

[TheAwesomologist]

Interesting looking through this thread and seeing folks mention EDI, Tali, Liara, and Javik. Now full disclosure, I haven't played on Insanity mostly because I only did a second playthrough to get to lvl 60, I don't care to play the campaign over again until the new ending stuff comes out.

That said I find EDI and Tali extremely useful as an Infiltrator. Both Combat Drone and Decoy provide a 4th target for enemies to shoot at which can cause them to pop out of cover. They do require some micromanaging though and I wonder if folks just don't want to bother managing their squadmates.

I don't find Liara or Javik as useful for my infiltrator mostly because sending enemies flying makes them harder to track down with my sniper rifle.

I almost never use James or Ashley since besides grenades I don't find their skills remotely useful. Garrus however is a champ, even if he does die more often (mostly because I send him into harms way).

[Ryudoz28]

icemount wrote...

All classes are usefull, mostly depending on which class You play and how. Typical soldier classes are great if You are mostly BIO or TECH, but then also You can use other power characters to go for combos and weapons are secondary damage dealers. Try out Kaidans AOE Reave with Shep Vanguard... ka-boom, ka-boom, ka-boom, no need for a third companion

You dont even need Kaidan , Charge > Nova > Charge > Nova > Charge Nova , you dont even need a gun,w/e.

EDI tech combos are sick, just too slow for my liking, i mostly just play role companions, Javik on thessia, Garrus when meeting old squads, etc etc. Since game its easy enough ( talking about insanity here , sadly ) for any Sherpard class to solo it.

Modifié par Ryudoz28, 23 avril 2012 - 05:18 .

[UEG Donkey]

Does it really matter? ME3 is fairly easy compared to ME2. I'm doing and insane playthrough right now with Ashley and James and I don't have to use any of their powers. I imagine I could do the same with Liara and Javik, actually I think I'll do that and then just use the powers in only the most difficult places.

[SovereignWillReturn]

EDI

[JosieJ]

I find I haven't used James much in any of my playthroughs.  But then, even when I played as biotic or tech characters, I preferred to add more biotics and/or tech to the party rather than straight-up combat prowess.

I didn't use Ashley much on the one playthrough I have where she lived, for similar reasons.  I found Disruptor Ammo underwhelming in this game; Garrus could use the same weapons as she and had Overload as well, which I found much more useful.

I'd never say either was useless, but both were superseded by more useful characters.

Modifié par JosieJ, 23 avril 2012 - 09:31 .

[Jestina]

ME3 is all about boom boom. Not like in the past where you usually had to have a mix of different classes.

For my sentinel/adept I found that going with an all biotic party worked best...Liara and Javik usually for setting up bio explosions.

[chris fenton]

Tali is weak. That being said, I still love 'er.

[shedevil3001]

truthfully it depends on the player, if you dont level your squad up right and use them to the best of their abilities as well as who you have along with you, well then all the team would be classed as weak, if they are set up right and you have a good team with you then no-one dies or at least not in my game mostly just my shepard dies, my own fault though

[T1l]

I just use whatever squadmates are going to have the best dialogue for the mission. Their characters are more important than their combat prowess.

[Binary_Helix 1]

T1l wrote...

I just use whatever squadmates are going to have the best dialogue for the mission. Their characters are more important than their combat prowess.

I haven't played ME3 yet but Ashley was my LI is her mission dialog wortwhile? I've heard she doesn't talk a lot on the ship but I might be playing as a soldier so two soldiers would probably weaken the squad.

[incinerator950]

I never found a use for Tali, regardless if she had a Paladin with spam Sabotage or Energy Drain. The Times I could use her, I would have done better if I was allowed to bring Garrus. I don't regret when I kill her.

Liara is alright. She is also the squishiest character ever. Seriously, give her Miranda's ass, because an extra health boost to the squad is what we're going to need. Her Singularity spam and stasis are useful with Warp, so her Biotic power is impressive when want to use her.

EDI I can somewhat use, but her Tech combos are not impressive, and I run Vanguard, so sometimes I forget to deploy Decoy. However Overload is awesome, and her skills are fairly good. Lack of AR is sometimes easy to maker her forgotten.

Only time I used Ashley, I didn't bother with her Sniper. Incendiary Grenades are the weakest, and her Disruptor Ammo is now gimped compared to ME 2 where it had a use. AR and a decent body are her only saving graces.

James forgets to die. He always forgets to die, I have to remember to turn on Fortification on Insanity, because half the time he doesn't need it anyway. 140% Shields and Health with his CE Skin for 25% Shields and Fortification, he's more of a Tank then Grunt or Wrex ever were. The Shotgun is essentially useless at times, but being another AR is awesome when you have a Cryo Falcon or an Explosive Particle Rifle.

Garrus is Garrus, clearly more offensive with AR's now then he ever was. Proximity mine and Overload are awesome. Since I run Vanguard, I don't need his AP ammo power, especially since Cryo/Incendiary is more useful. Also, I use the Chakram Launcher, so his AP is actually a hindrance.

You know that gut instinct that says go back and get the other character? Kaidan was totally worth it. At first because I didn't care for him I'd ditch him to Fleet duty, but then I said **** it and took him again. Overload, Reave sets up many shenanigans, and while I never use Cryo Blast, his Barrier is useful on occasion. He's like a cross between EDI, Liara, and James, a real Sentinel! He's too good to pass up, and another ****ing AR, but I wish his Cooldowns weren't as painful, even with his original skin. 

Javik is great for a lot of things. Dark Channel is awesome for biotic detonations, and as a persistent DPS, its essentially a plague. Once again, another AR. Also he has some of the best dialogue alone in ME 3, enough to make me forget about not having Zaeed.

Modifié par incinerator950, 25 avril 2012 - 05:00 .

[shepskisaac]

icemount wrote...

Try out Kaidans AOE Reave with Shep Vanguard... ka-boom, ka-boom, ka-boom, no need for a third companion

LOL so true. It's practically death combo, not to mention the fact that Kaidan never dies

[Shajar]

There is no bad squad members, they all are good on different type of enemies and according to class what player has

But Garrus and Liara tends to die always, others do fine alive

[Air36723]

Even on insanity i havent had any trouble with my squadmates dying excessively, but then i like to manage my squaddies into cover. My soldier shep works better with tali and Garrus i've noticed then with the other squaddies, specialized in ammo powers. My adapt is insane with Liara and Javik (kaidens dead in that playthrough which sucks cause i want reave back D= ) and my infiltrator working in tandom with ashley and garrus as snipers is pretty nice, if enemies get to close switch them to the revenant (ash) and phaeston (garrus) while i keep sniping at the more dangerous enemies.