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[TheJester000]

Galateaaa wrote...

Liara needs more babysitting (charging into turrets? >.<) than the rest but her powers are really useful.

I agree, Liara can be really bad, not because of her powers but her AI is terrible. She always seems to run out in the middle of a large group and just stands there. Drives me freaking crazy so I don't even bother trying to use her any more. I just don't have the patience to have to control her every move.

Modifié par TheJester000, 25 avril 2012 - 06:00 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

I've never found Ash particularly useful in ME1 or ME3. My playstyle is very heavy on using abilities, and in ME3, having a tanky solderish ally isn't nearly as important as it was in ME2.

[jasonxxsatanna]

Ash deals weapon damage Vega is the tank. . .

[richard_rider]

None of them are really weak, but Liara has a tendency to go toe-to-toe with Banshees and such if you're not watching her...

[Riot Inducer]

Not super far into the game yet so I don't have everyone, but so far the most useless is Vega, not because of his abilities or anything but because of his apparent disregard for my orders, unless I micro-manage him from the start of the mission onwards he just kind of wanders off in a firefight and while he doesn't go down too much it's very annoying when he also doesn't respond to squad commands and is nowhere to be found.

Garrus on the other hand has always got my back, I don't even have to order him to do anything other than overload a specific target every now and then.

[Quething]

TheJester000 wrote...

Galateaaa wrote...

Liara needs more babysitting (charging into turrets? >.<) than the rest but her powers are really useful.

I agree, Liara can be really bad, not because of her powers but her AI is terrible. She always seems to run out in the middle of a large group and just stands there. Drives me freaking crazy so I don't even bother trying to use her any more. I just don't have the patience to have to control her every move.

Try swapping her over to pistol. By default she'll use her SMG, and the SMG AI seems to be "jump out of cover and advance like a damn vanguard." When you are, yourself, playing a vanguard, or a tanky soldier/sentinel, and thus staying ahead of her and keeping all the enemy attention on yourself, this works fine and puts out a lot of damage. When you're playing more conservatively it's a very bad idea for a squadmate as squishy as Liara.

Modifié par Quething, 25 avril 2012 - 07:10 .

[frylock23]

I think it's silly to say that Kaidan obviously sucks because no one has mentioned him.

Most people killed Kaidan in ME1, so they don't have him around to form an opinion of him in ME3.

I still have Kaidan in all my ME3 playthroughs and I'm very, very glad. He's a great utility character. He's tough to kill and can complement either a tech or a biotic. I always liked him for the same reasons in ME1 frankly, but they just made that aspect much, much better and vastly improved his ability to take punishment.

Whatever else he is in ME3, he is far from the weakest squadmate although he might be the rarest.

[Jake Boone]

frylock23 wrote...

I think it's silly to say that Kaidan obviously sucks because no one has mentioned him.

Most people killed Kaidan in ME1, so they don't have him around to form an opinion of him in ME3.

I still have Kaidan in all my ME3 playthroughs and I'm very, very glad. He's a great utility character. He's tough to kill and can complement either a tech or a biotic. I always liked him for the same reasons in ME1 frankly, but they just made that aspect much, much better and vastly improved his ability to take punishment.

Whatever else he is in ME3, he is far from the weakest squadmate although he might be the rarest.

I agree and disagree with you.
I agree with you on the fact that it is silly to say that Kaidan sucks because he hasn't been mentioned. If he hasn't been mentioned, that means that people find him usefull.
Ii disagree when you say that most people killed Kaidan. I think it is fairly even, maybe even a little bit in his favor. A fairly large group dislike Ash over her supposed racism and religious beliefs, so they always kill her on Virmire.

On Topic, I still say Tali is least useful on insanity. Her drones die way to fast to be useful.

[Nexpeed]

Liara just not willing to use her powers no matter how fast her cooldown, she started to like guns more, EDI too, so i maxed out EDI's def matrix, now she doesn't die as easily. I equipped them both with best handguns available like.... M-77 paladin?

[ParanoidDrone]

I used James and Tali the least. James doesn't bring anything worthwhile except awesome tanking abilities, which Kaidan and EDI can both play at as well thanks to Barrier/Reave and Defense Matrix/Decoy. Tali has a narrow skillset -- Sabotage is godlike vs. Geth, but you only fight them on Rannoch. Vs. Cerberus and Reapers, she's mostly demoted to Energy Drain/Combat Drone spam. If there were more synthetic enemies she'd be worth more IMO.

[Dead_Meat357]

EDI without question. She seems to get incapacitated faster than I can put her in cover or manage her abilities. 

Nexpeed wrote...

Liara just not willing to use her powers no matter how fast her cooldown, she started to like guns more, EDI too, so i maxed out EDI's def matrix, now she doesn't die as easily. I equipped them both with best handguns available like.... M-77 paladin?

Hell with auto power usage, Liara practically spams singulaity constantly. On normal you don't hardly need to manage
her. You just have to make sure she's not out in the open getting shot. She'll do the rest. On higher difficulty settings you have to manage her, and she's got the best skill set for crowd control. She compliments the soldier very well. I typically pay attention to her and make sure she's in cover, etc. I usually take Garrus with me as well, and I stick him in the back with the Black Widow and crap rarely gets close to us.

Modifié par Dead_Meat357, 27 avril 2012 - 03:30 .

[Tom Lehrer]

Liara is the weakest ane is and least useful. When playing as a biotic her only real use is setting up explosions but even then with the right specs its easier to just set up your own without her. If you are not biotic she has no use at all. Even when useful though Liara dies all time.

NOTE: I play Insanity so this might not be true for lower settings

[shepskisaac]

Jake Boone wrote...

Ii disagree when you say that most people killed Kaidan. I think it is fairly even, maybe even a little bit in his favor. A fairly large group dislike Ash over her supposed racism and religious beliefs, so they always kill her on Virmire.

We have the actual numbers though. In Final Hours, there were many charts detailing player decisions, straight from Bioware's database. Ashley is present in 3/4 of ME2 saves, Kaidan in 1/4. That's just how it is. It may have changed with ME3 (since the data was compiled before the game was out), but obviously Ash survived in more games, for various reasons.

That being said, Kaidan is easily one of the very best squadmates both in ME3 and the entire trilogy. He's practically unkillable, he can strip any and all protection (barrier, shields, armor), set up incredibly powerful explosions, tech bursts and then he also has assault rifle. He's extremly useful for any Shep class and in any combination with second squadmate.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 27 avril 2012 - 02:55 .

[chester013]

Ashley by a country mile. Has marksman, but fires in a tiny burst then hides for the remainder of the duration.

Also she sucks out of combat.

[Edolix]

EDI I did not use. Not once. Other than Cronos Station, but that doesn't really count. I just found her to be useless. I'd prefer it if she didn't have a body and just stayed as the ship's computer.

Also, Liara. Her singularity is god-like, but because she has so little health compared to all the other squaddies she has to go and die every few seconds. Reviving her is tiresome.

I barely used the VS, not because of how effective they were but rather because I simply didn't like them. I heard Kaidan is a pretty solid choice and that Ashley is useless, but I wouldn't know.

The squaddies I used on a regular basis were Garrus and Tali (team dextro ftw) James (cause he just refuses to die, the guy is built like a Krogan) and Javik.

[Reikilea]

frylock23 wrote...

I think it's silly to say that Kaidan obviously sucks because no one has mentioned him.

Most people killed Kaidan in ME1, so they don't have him around to form an opinion of him in ME3.

I still have Kaidan in all my ME3 playthroughs and I'm very, very glad. He's a great utility character. He's tough to kill and can complement either a tech or a biotic. I always liked him for the same reasons in ME1 frankly, but they just made that aspect much, much better and vastly improved his ability to take punishment.

Whatever else he is in ME3, he is far from the weakest squadmate although he might be the rarest.

For me- all my ME games are practically without Ashley. I am not ever gonna scrifice someone who is biotic, technic and higher ranking officer and head of ship marine detail. Alas - sentinel most variable class in ME.

And in ME3 he is practically perfect. Its nearly impossible to kill him off, thanks to the barrier, and he has got overload, reave and cryo blast. So if you want to have either biotic or tech squad or even tought marines he just fits everywhere. Same as Miranda in ME2. With this, I am never ever gonna save Ashley again (only did that once). Seeing that in ME3 she is practically female version of Vega with similar powers.

But when it comes to weakest I would say Edi. Recharging takes forewer, she dies quite a lot and I dislike the whole sexi fembot thing on top of that. Why couldnt we get Legion or Mordin instead of Edi...

Modifié par Reikilea, 27 avril 2012 - 04:17 .

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Kaidan is really good b/c he can do any tech or biotic combo, and b/c he can use the Particle Rifle, which, with Explosive Ammo + piercing mod, makes killing mobs a real joy... well, until you get bored of Insanity mobs just keeling over for you.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 27 avril 2012 - 05:00 .

[thegamefreek78648]

Edolix wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

awesomeduo wrote...

there are no squadmates that are horrible, they all can do something that is really useful, but it mostly depends on what class you play as.

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[mireisen]

As a Vanguard I kept Ash for my first PT and I swapped her out with Javik and Garrus.

Now that I have a Kaidan VS PT...Having him on Mars with Liara gave me headaches. I don't necessarily think it was him, though. Liara's AI isn't so smart. She was Singularity'ing troops and spreading the groups apart-so even if I wanted to set up a biotic explosion it was kind of hard when the mobs are 50 meters apart.

I do believe Kaidan is more useful than I previously thought. In ME1 he died so much, but with biotic explosions he became more useful. As a VG I can't go in unless the weak ones are picked off. Kaidan unfortunately can't drop mobs as quickly as Garrus could. So he still makes my "sort of bad but useful" list.

So my take as a Vanguard on Insanity: Liara, then Kaidan.

[FJVP]

I never used squadmates for extra firepower, just to help me strip down defenses so I would have to say Ashley. Her only power that could be useful to me is inferno grenade and it sucks.

[chevyguy87]

I find that all the squad members have their own strengths and weaknesses so I can't really say whose the weakest or strongest. I have found out that once you give Vega the Revenant, that guy becomes a one man army.

[frylock23]

Jake Boone wrote...

frylock23 wrote...

I think it's silly to say that Kaidan obviously sucks because no one has mentioned him.

Most people killed Kaidan in ME1, so they don't have him around to form an opinion of him in ME3.

I still have Kaidan in all my ME3 playthroughs and I'm very, very glad. He's a great utility character. He's tough to kill and can complement either a tech or a biotic. I always liked him for the same reasons in ME1 frankly, but they just made that aspect much, much better and vastly improved his ability to take punishment.

Whatever else he is in ME3, he is far from the weakest squadmate although he might be the rarest.

I agree and disagree with you.
I agree with you on the fact that it is silly to say that Kaidan sucks because he hasn't been mentioned. If he hasn't been mentioned, that means that people find him usefull.
Ii disagree when you say that most people killed Kaidan. I think it is fairly even, maybe even a little bit in his favor. A fairly large group dislike Ash over her supposed racism and religious beliefs, so they always kill her on Virmire.

On Topic, I still say Tali is least useful on insanity. Her drones die way to fast to be useful.

No, they released some stats on it, and Kaidan got killed about 3/4 of the time. I assume it's because most players are male and decided to go with the female LI or alternately the one who "whines the least" (apparently, he has different dialogue for a male Shep although I've never played a Sheploo because after playing femShep, Sheploo just seems wrong to me).

It's sad, but there it is. And, a lot of folks claim they'd have left them both if they'd been given the chance. Me? I would have left Liara if given the chance, but I wasn't.

Personally, in ME3, I have a hard time pointing at any one squaddie and saying that's the weakest one. I think they all have places where they shine, but I'd probably admit that I'd put Tali in a squad least just because she comes in so late and I generally tend to play biotic classes leaving the techies out in the cold.

Modifié par frylock23, 28 avril 2012 - 11:38 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

I love how everyone seems to be disagreeing on which squadmate is weakest; I guess that means they did a good job on balancing them out. Anyway, it probably depends on your play style, class, and which mission you're playing; personally I found them all fairly useful.

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 28 avril 2012 - 11:51 .

[Stokie Stallion]

Liara, shes always in my squad good character but damn, i wish my girlfriend went down has much has her.

[goofyomnivore]

lore wise i'd say tali, gameplay wise i'd say ashley