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[MidnightRaith]

MalevoIence wrote...

I did threads in regards to whether you regret not romancing Tali and Ashley instead of Liara and people started giving reasons why they wouldn't as if this was real life like "I would never cheat on Liara" so.... had the inspiration to make this thread.

Asari live 1000 years naturally,  Liara is only 106 or so.... do you think you'll be her last? Think Shepard will be the last person she says she loves or marries, or has children with?  The rude awakening is she will probably marry and love 8 other guys, sleep with 100 other men, and forget all about you 800 years from now, before she finally bites the dust.

Just thought since everyone else was speaking to me realistically, thought I'd do the same.... overall speaking, is it worth romancing her when looking at the big picture? lol

I completely and utterly disagree with this. First of all, Liara is very upfront about how Asari look at relationships with short lived species. Secondly, if your Shepard really cared about her at all, then he/she would not care in the slightest that she was able to find happiness after they are gone. It happens with humans too, you know. Spouse dies, they mourn, someone comes along and provides comfort and in time, they fall in love and find happiness after tragedy. I'm pretty sure this is a well used plots for many movies.... It's not cheating when you're dead.

As for Liara sleeping around, I'm not too sure you have the best grasp on her character. Where in her characterization does it become apparent that once you die, she'll become a two-bit ****? Remember, you're here first partner she's ever had, and when Shepard did die, I wouldn't say going to the ends of the earth to recover Shepard's body is the definition of moving on.... And forgetting Shepard? I can't see how it's possible to forget the savior of the galaxy, just saying. Looking at the big picture, I'd say it's worth romancing her. After you're dead, and she finds happiness, what does it matter? If your Shepard would really have a problem with that and expects her to live alone for the next 900 years, one has to wonder if he/she cared about her at all.....

[Pockles]

Holy hyperbole, Batman!

[Degs29]

That doesn't matter to me at all.  That's a natural result of the progression of time.  It often happens within our own lifespan.

[MalevoIence]

Suppose it's the notion of You knowing Many Men are going to put their thing in your wife when your gone;

frankly speaking I'd choose someone to grow old with, so any of the other LI



Think about it this way, how important is 30-40 years in a lifespand of 1000?

I think that Asari in ME 2, who you help her decide whether or not she should stay with Char, explains of how meaningless 30-40 years with a human is to an Asari compared to being with a Krogan who lives just as long as an asari would consider it a lifelong committment for them and more hesitant towards it.  

Basically, a lifelong committment for a human with an asari would be considered a fling for the Asari

Modifié par MalevoIence, 20 avril 2012 - 01:56 .

[4stringwizard]

Trying to look at it realistically from a manshep POV, there are a LOT of downsides to being with Liara.

1. He'd never have a son. They'd all be blue girls.
2. He'd never have a human daughter.
3. They'd all be blue girls. (Did I say that already?)
4. Liara would still be alive 800 years later, and for all I know, he could end up being her "first fling" before she moves on to a longer relationship with a Krogan.

Modifié par 4stringwizard, 20 avril 2012 - 01:58 .

[LittleGlassVial]

Not if I purposely lead her to get killed by Harbingers laser

Modifié par LittleGlassVial, 20 avril 2012 - 02:04 .

[rubynorman]

I think some of you guys haven't romanced Liara and stayed faithful for the whole game, if you do then you will know who she is. Her love for Shepard is an unconditional love, whether Shep returns it or not. It's not a fling. And Liara isn't the asari on Ilium who was with the poetic krogan.
If I have a fling with someone, I won't bother go through hell to reclaim that person's body.

Modifié par rubynorman, 20 avril 2012 - 02:11 .

[Pockles]

Shepard says he/she wants to spend the rest of his/her life with Liara. Liara reciprocates.

It must be a meaningless fling. There is no other explanation.

[CDHarrisUSF]

MalevoIence wrote...

Think about it this way, how important is 30-40 years in a lifespan of 1000?

To be fair, humans have just entered galactic civilization and can already live to be 150 at the time of the Mass Effect games. Assuming Shepard doesn't die early, that gives him 100+ years to spend with Liara. This is actually a rather conservative estimate. Humans only made first contact with aliens less than 30 years ago (from the events of ME3). The rapid technological advancements from being exposed to and learning from other species have not yet had a chance to show their effects on the human lifespan.

Just look at what they are already able to accomplish with the Lazarus Project (brought someone back after being dead for days if not weeks). That was bleeding edge medical technology when Shepard died in ME2 (and even a couple of years old by now). Imagine where they will be 100+ years in the future. If anyone is going to get that level of treatment, it's going to be the man who united the galaxy and saved it from the Reapers (edit: and also happens to be married to the Shadow Broker). It would not be inconceivable for Shepard to live for centuries (plural).

Modifié par CDHarrisUSF, 20 avril 2012 - 02:46 .

[darthnick427]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

Think about it this way, how important is 30-40 years in a lifespan of 1000?

To be fair, humans have just entered galactic civilization and can already live to be 150 at the time of the Mass Effect games. Assuming Shepard doesn't die early, that gives him 100+ years to spend with Liara. This is actually a rather conservative estimate. Humans only made first contact with aliens less than 30 years ago (from the events of ME3). The rapid technological advancements from being exposed to and learning from other species have not yet had a chance to show their effects on the human lifespan.

Just look at what they are already able to accomplish with the Lazarus Project (brought someone back after being dead for days if not weeks). That was bleeding edge medical technology when Shepard died in ME2 (and even a couple of years old by now). Imagine where they will be 100+ years in the future. If anyone is going to get that level of treatment, it's going to be the man who united the galaxy and saved it from the Reapers. It would not be inconceivable for Shepard to live for centuries (plural).

Agreement Shepard will live for a long ass time. Plus as far as I'm concerned After Shepard dies. Liara probably won't even think about finding a new bondmate after Shepard because no one will ever be able to measure up to Shepard. She'll probably just focus on her Shadow Broker work or her children. 

[Goku16]

@darthnick427 Agreed. clearly the person who created this thread doesn't know anything about shepherd and liara relationship. when Matriarch Benezia and Matriarch Aethyta split up, Benezia had the chance to mate with others but she decided to spend time and raise her child (liara). liara will do the exact same thing after shepherd is dead. liara is not a ****, she will not go around sleeping with other people instead she will spend her time with her child. and no i do not regret romancing liara because she is the best li character out of all the other crew members..and who the hell will ever forget the guy who save the entire universe after 800 years..after what shepherd did, help cure the genophage,bring peace between the geth and the quarian,destroying the collectors,saving the citedel from sovereign etc nobody will ever forget that. its like your creating this thread just to mock the people who romance liara.

[Aipex8]

MidnightRaith wrote...

I completely and utterly disagree with this. First of all, Liara is very upfront about how Asari look at relationships with short lived species. Secondly, if your Shepard really cared about her at all, then he/she would not care in the slightest that she was able to find happiness after they are gone. It happens with humans too, you know. Spouse dies, they mourn, someone comes along and provides comfort and in time, they fall in love and find happiness after tragedy. I'm pretty sure this is a well used plots for many movies.... It's not cheating when you're dead.

As for Liara sleeping around, I'm not too sure you have the best grasp on her character. Where in her characterization does it become apparent that once you die, she'll become a two-bit ****? Remember, you're here first partner she's ever had, and when Shepard did die, I wouldn't say going to the ends of the earth to recover Shepard's body is the definition of moving on.... And forgetting Shepard? I can't see how it's possible to forget the savior of the galaxy, just saying. Looking at the big picture, I'd say it's worth romancing her. After you're dead, and she finds happiness, what does it matter? If your Shepard would really have a problem with that and expects her to live alone for the next 900 years, one has to wonder if he/she cared about her at all.....

This. And, when you hit 60, tell me that you'll have a problem with a mate that doesn't appear to age compared to you. And why would you care what she does after you die... You'll be dead!

[spirosz]

No and people who do are in for a big reality check. She'll never forget him/her, nor should she; he/she might be one, if not, the most important thing to happen to her life, but that doesn't mean she won't find happiness in someone else in the future. It isn't even about comparing, that seems like a bad way to look at how Asari deal with relationships because of their life span, in my opinion at least. She'll develop and have different influences throughout her future and might have different needs or wants.. maybe someone will unlock something hidden away, that Shepard might not of been able to, you know?

Don't get me wrong, Shepard will always be in her heart, but I highly doubt she won't be able to move on eventually, **** - that's not even the right word, but if I believe Shepard would want her to be happy no matter the situation.

Modifié par spiros9110, 20 avril 2012 - 11:33 .

[AlienWolf728]

I suppose people can just head-canon her into not having another lover, like after realizing this I thought "I'll just head-canon her into a justicar after shepard dies"... you know how justicars are with romances *cough* samara *cough*

Edit: also, who else likes the feeling of shaving your cheeks? my god, so soft 

Modifié par AlienWolf728, 20 avril 2012 - 08:16 .

[MalevoIence]

Well, even if the life span is 150, and lets say Shepard has 100 years or so left, Liara will be 200... which still leaves 800 years, that is a hell of a dry spell. Though they have a meaningful relationship, not more so that she wouldn't have jumped Feron's bones if you turned her down in ME 2.

Like you all said he's dead, In the 2 years it took to reconstruct him, she developed a close relationship with Feron that you could argue she would end up with him if you rejected her. In the 800 years left in her life, it's foolish to think, she wont meet anymore Ferons out there, and its funny seeing certain of you getting mad.... No... no.... they had a meaningful relationship..... she will be celibate the rest of her life, you all are a riot.

But, I suppose what I'm saying is, why not pick someone you could grow old with, knowing that you Will be the love of her life.

Liara could fall in love with a Krogan warlord and be with him her last 600- 800 years, what kind of relationship would that be comparative to your 100 years? 40 of which you'll be an old man with things sagging and not working as they should.

@Goku- if you consider yourself a Shepard & Liara relationship expert, you sir have no life and should seek help

Modifié par MalevoIence, 20 avril 2012 - 09:53 .

[Y3Y00]

If you think about it, in the ME universe, they've made so many breakthroughs in medicine and science, thus lengthening a humans's life up to 150 years, as Shepard's mentioned, that's still insufficient in comparison to 1000 years, BUT Shepard was heavily modified, had implants that are much more superior to our natural organs, she/he is better than humans in almost every aspect, even life span, I bet Shepard can live up to 300-500 years, which is a lot. And Miranda herself can live up to 200-250 as she's mentioned in ME2. "I'm likely to live once and a half more than the average human. So I disagree with you, and Liara's likely to get herself killed. Just saying.

[Maderek]

Doesn't matter. Had sex.

[Nightdragon8]

you know i find it kind of funny to even be talking about this... , even from a normal "human" relationship, you can plan all you want about spending the rest of your life with someone, and then end up getting killed by a bus the next day, then what then? would you want your wife that you "planed" to live the rest of your life with, staying single for the rest of her days???

to me it sounds more like an egoist sort of thing to even think about.

Modifié par Nightdragon8, 20 avril 2012 - 11:05 .

[Bebuse]

I can't see Shepard 'growing old'.

I just can't. Shepard will die on some battlefield somewhere, saving lives. Maybe even protecting Liara and the family. There will be babies, life, peace and always more battles needing a hero. I imagine between medical advances and Cerberus implants, Shepard's natural lifespan will probably be more than 200 years, meaning there will be decades of active life left, raising kids and so on, then Shepard goes out in a blaze of glory, asking Liara to move on.

Because only a control freak who does not love their partner would not want them to move on after their death.

If you have ever met somebody who has found love after a previous spouse died, and moved on healthily, they can speak of them with the respect and memory they deserve without breaking down into tears or insulting their new partner. They were an important part of their life and part of who they are today and that is something wonderful.

/end romantic speech.

Modifié par Bebuse, 20 avril 2012 - 11:25 .

[MalevoIence]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

you know i find it kind of funny to even be talking about this... , even from a normal "human" relationship, you can plan all you want about spending the rest of your life with someone, and then end up getting killed by a bus the next day, then what then? would you want your wife that you "planed" to live the rest of your life with, staying single for the rest of her days???

to me it sounds more like an egoist sort of thing to even think about.

Suppose it does if you over think it.... but my replies had simply been to argue others and may be overly fluffed.  My basic argument is, Liara lives 1000 years, you live maybe 150 years...... your small contribution is meaningless.  And the argument is not, wanting her to stay single the rest of her days, but would you really want to be in a relationship with someone who can substantially outlive you and forget that love through the natural passage of time?

And yes looking at it from a human standpoint, enjoy time with your wife, just understand that your friends will enjoy intimate time with your wife too, if you die early.  

To build on that point, not saying for her to stay single, just you would try to avoid any calamity so that you can spend the rest of your life and grow old with her right?  Well with Liara, no matter what you do, you're screwed in that regard, atleast with someone who has your similar lifespan, you have a better chance of being the love of her life opposed to someone who lives a thousand years.

Modifié par MalevoIence, 20 avril 2012 - 11:52 .

[CDHarrisUSF]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

to me it sounds more like an egoist sort of thing to even think about.

Personally, I imagined a scene I would have liked to see in which Shepard has the lifespan talk with Liara after one of the near-death experiences (quarians attacking geth ship while they're on it, Thessia, etc). Of course, I wouldn't want to railroad all of the Shepards into the same concerns/motivations, so ideally there would be branching dialogue choices. Some might choose to joke about death and brush it off or maybe get territorial and not like the idea of thinking about her with someone else.

My Shepard would try to appear outwardly strong to others, but express his fear of death and show vulnerability to Liara in private. He would be concerned that Liara might feel guilty about moving on after he dies. She might say something about how it would be hard to find someone who could live up to Shepard. He would tell her that he is serious and that he doesn't want her to let the memory of him become an anchor weighing her down. He might bring up the promise she wanted him to make and ask her to promise something to him, as well: that she will remain open to finding love again after he is gone, because there is nothing he wants more than for Liara to be happy.

It could have been a touching moment (shed a few tears just thinking about it how it would play out) to give some insight into both of their characters and their relationship. On a similar note, I think they should have left the death talk Shepard was supposed to have with Ashley in the game, as well. Maybe they could have had a mutually exclusive (just so it doesn't get repetitive) conversation about death for each of the love interests.

Modifié par CDHarrisUSF, 20 avril 2012 - 12:07 .

[Foxhound2121]

MalevoIence wrote...

Suppose it does if you over think it.... but my replies had simply been to argue others and may be overly fluffed.  My basic argument is, Liara lives 1000 years, you live maybe 150 years...... your small contribution is meaningless.  And the argument is not, wanting her to stay single the rest of her days, but would you really want to be in a relationship with someone who can substantially outlive you and forget that love through the natural passage of time?

And yes looking at it from a human standpoint, enjoy time with your wife, just understand that your friends will enjoy intimate time with your wife too, if you die early.  

To build on that point, not saying for her to stay single, just you would try to avoid any calamity so that you can spend the rest of your life and grow old with her right?  Well with Liara, no matter what you do, you're screwed in that regard, atleast with someone who has your similar lifespan, you have a better chance of being the love of her life opposed to someone who lives a thousand years.

How is it meaningless to you? Humans live short lives, but why would that make anything meaningless. Furthermore, even short periods of our lives as humans are not meaningless. Time always has value.

Let's look at it with very simple math or logic. Humans live for 100yrs, and that is extremely conservative considering the tech and the fact that it is Shepard as a half synthetic. Chances are people would spend money to keep him alive even if he was at death's door from old age. Asari live for 1000yrs like you said.

100 years is 10% of an Asari lifespan. To call that 10% meaningless is like calling 10 years of your life meaningless. If you were in prison for 10 years, would it be meaningless to you?

You certainly wouldn't mind who you spend 10 years of your life with? Also, we would have to assume that Asari age under that time frame. Humans look drastically different after 10 years and are probably not as attractive as they once were. The same changes would happen to an Asari I would imagine. That time is still precious.

Regardless, I highly doubt she or the other romance options will ever be able to do any better than Shepard on the famous scale. If Liara was a spouse of Shepard, she would never hear the end of it. Never. So, it's not going to be something she is just going to forget or be meaningless to her. They would probably want to stick her in museums just give speeches in first person accounts.

Modifié par Foxhound2121, 20 avril 2012 - 01:14 .

[hammyhamstersy]

Maderek wrote...

Doesn't matter. Had sex.

TRUTH! ahahha

Liara would probably dig up that Shep VI and turn it into a true AI using reaper tech.  There you go Shep lives forever!!!!!!

[xIREDEEMEDIx]

KingNothing125 wrote...

You're Shepard, the savior of the galaxy who has Prothean history and culture rattling around in your head. No one will ever compare to that, as far as Liara is concerned.

She might try to move on after a while, but no one will compare. She'll visit your grave and then kill herself at the ripe old age of 200something.

Happy ending!

this is what I was thinking. Whos to say that Liara might have the attitude that if Shep goes...she goes.

[Grimwick]

MalevoIence wrote...

Well, even if the life span is 150, and lets say Shepard has 100 years or so left, Liara will be 200... which still leaves 800 years, that is a hell of a dry spell. Though they have a meaningful relationship, not more so that she wouldn't have jumped Feron's bones if you turned her down in ME 2.

Like you all said he's dead, In the 2 years it took to reconstruct him, she developed a close relationship with Feron that you could argue she would end up with him if you rejected her. In the 800 years left in her life, it's foolish to think, she wont meet anymore Ferons out there, and its funny seeing certain of you getting mad.... No... no.... they had a meaningful relationship..... she will be celibate the rest of her life, you all are a riot.

But, I suppose what I'm saying is, why not pick someone you could grow old with, knowing that you Will be the love of her life.

Liara could fall in love with a Krogan warlord and be with him her last 600- 800 years, what kind of relationship would that be comparative to your 100 years? 40 of which you'll be an old man with things sagging and not working as they should.

@Goku- if you consider yourself a Shepard & Liara relationship expert, you sir have no life and should seek help

That is an incredibly shallow and selfish way of looking at relationships...

Besides you are making the mistake of transposing OUR culture onto the culture of the asari. As Liara says, the melding isn't sex, it's a deep meaningful experience which is more often than not, life changing.
trying to compare what would happen in human-human relationship to an asari-human relationship is like us trying to understand and compare flies mating - it's something completely different.

On a different note I believe that shepard will still be around for another 150 years or so, extended by the cybernetic implants and this will put Liara straight into the matron stage where she acts more as a mother figure. i personally think Liara is not the kind of person to just 'move on' and engage in casual or further relationships. She is too focused on her work, too shy and would also be focused on her children.