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[ticklefist]

Jestina wrote...

Doesn't matter. Being first is what counts.

Going to refer to Mass Effect 1 as The Hundred Year Old Virgin from here on.

[AlienWolf728]

Grimwick wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

Well, even if the life span is 150, and lets say Shepard has 100 years or so left, Liara will be 200... which still leaves 800 years, that is a hell of a dry spell. Though they have a meaningful relationship, not more so that she wouldn't have jumped Feron's bones if you turned her down in ME 2.

Like you all said he's dead, In the 2 years it took to reconstruct him, she developed a close relationship with Feron that you could argue she would end up with him if you rejected her. In the 800 years left in her life, it's foolish to think, she wont meet anymore Ferons out there, and its funny seeing certain of you getting mad.... No... no.... they had a meaningful relationship..... she will be celibate the rest of her life, you all are a riot.

But, I suppose what I'm saying is, why not pick someone you could grow old with, knowing that you Will be the love of her life.

Liara could fall in love with a Krogan warlord and be with him her last 600- 800 years, what kind of relationship would that be comparative to your 100 years? 40 of which you'll be an old man with things sagging and not working as they should.

@Goku- if you consider yourself a Shepard & Liara relationship expert, you sir have no life and should seek help

That is an incredibly shallow and selfish way of looking at relationships...

Besides you are making the mistake of transposing OUR culture onto the culture of the asari. As Liara says, the melding isn't sex, it's a deep meaningful experience which is more often than not, life changing.
trying to compare what would happen in human-human relationship to an asari-human relationship is like us trying to understand and compare flies mating - it's something completely different.

On a different note I believe that shepard will still be around for another 150 years or so, extended by the cybernetic implants and this will put Liara straight into the matron stage where she acts more as a mother figure. i personally think Liara is not the kind of person to just 'move on' and engage in casual or further relationships. She is too focused on her work, too shy and would also be focused on her children.

^ this. Didn't Benezia do the same? not find other relationships?

[rpgfan321]

I think Liara mentions how the Asari culture looks like relationships with short lived species in LotSB when Thane is romanced. In that snippet of conversation, Liara mentions how the Asari does not only look at the future, but look at the memories and value them. They emphasize the journey (hmph) a lot more in that relationship.

That doesn't necessarily mean that Liara won't grieve and think of Shepard as a fling. Like the humans, I think there is a variety in Asari personalities therefore there will be those that fall in love and those who only want flings. Liara is not the type to have flings; she falls in love.

Besides if a culture of species that lives for 1000 years, they have to adopt an optimistic view on life. Living a long life has it's virtues as well as the cons.

[Nightdragon8]

MalevoIence wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

you know i find it kind of funny to even be talking about this... , even from a normal "human" relationship, you can plan all you want about spending the rest of your life with someone, and then end up getting killed by a bus the next day, then what then? would you want your wife that you "planed" to live the rest of your life with, staying single for the rest of her days???

to me it sounds more like an egoist sort of thing to even think about.

Suppose it does if you over think it.... but my replies had simply been to argue others and may be overly fluffed.  My basic argument is, Liara lives 1000 years, you live maybe 150 years...... your small contribution is meaningless.  And the argument is not, wanting her to stay single the rest of her days, but would you really want to be in a relationship with someone who can substantially outlive you and forget that love through the natural passage of time?

And yes looking at it from a human standpoint, enjoy time with your wife, just understand that your friends will enjoy intimate time with your wife too, if you die early.  

To build on that point, not saying for her to stay single, just you would try to avoid any calamity so that you can spend the rest of your life and grow old with her right?  Well with Liara, no matter what you do, you're screwed in that regard, atleast with someone who has your similar lifespan, you have a better chance of being the love of her life opposed to someone who lives a thousand years.

now we get to the heart of the issue... just wanting to upset liaramancers... well job well done.

Also again so the hell what? if i fell in love with an immortal chick thats old as dirt, and we both mutially feel in love at the same time, thats enough for me, 

Love is about accpeting who the other person is, has NOTHING to do with how long the other lives. Well thats what True love is sposed to be about, sadly young wife, old rich guy is really 2 things, (his a prevert, and she is more than likly a golddigger.)

[Chrillze]

Shepard is a super-cyborg-ninja soldier with loads of synthetic augmentations in him, He will atleast live twice as long as Liara. End of discussion

[CroGamer002]

Arcian wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Shepard is a super-cyborg-ninja soldier with loads of synthetic augmentations in him, He will atleast live twice as long as Liara. End of discussion

I want to laugh at the ignorance of this post, but I can't. It's more sad than funny.

It's not at all sad for me.

I just laughed at that.

[Chrillze]

You may find it funny or sad but its still true.

[N172]

Just remember Therum:
Liara was pretty much alone on that planet while other asari of her age are strippers for the most part.

That does not necessarily mean that Shepard will be the last one, but it indicates that it is definitely possible that Shepard (or Feron) is the last.

She may just resume to do her studies or being the shadow broker.
She even worked alone on Mars and building relationships is even more unlikely if she continues to be the shadow broker.

Again, it is possible that Shepard is not the last, but the chance of him being the last and therefore only one should not be underestimated.

[TudorWolf]

Eh, it wouldn't be cheating really, and both Shepard and Liara are aware of the fact and accept it.

Liara would likely move on eventually, but her long term happiness is what my Shep would have wanted. He and Garrus will be smiling from up at that bar in heaven

[yesikareyes]

TL113 wrote...

Pick the blue ending, become a reaper overlord and you'll live thousand times longer than Liara

My name is Commander Bedlam and this is the best post in this thread. 

[Tom Lehrer]

Long life span and moving on should not really an issue in a relationship like this for most. The primary issue is what the Asari partner truly thinks about her short lived lover.

In the codex the maiden stage is described as a time when Asari wonder in search of interesting partners. This is a big rad flag for me because Shepard is arguably the most interesting man in the galaxy. Ive never been able to escape the feeling that Shepard is almost pet like in Liaras mind.

The things she says during the Ardat-Yakshi monastery and Thessia missions also do not do much to help put to rest these feelings that she views everyone as being below herself and the Asari as a whole.

[Goku16]

I1 Trust wrote...

Yeah, this actually bothers me. It's one of the reasons I wish Liara were human.

I was hoping there would be a conversation in ME2 and/or ME3 where Shepard and Liara discuss this. There wasn't any, so right now I don't know what to do.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Liara had hundreds of partners after Shepard’s death. I really don’t like the thought of it, but I can’t ask and expect Liara to stay single for the remaining 800 years of her life. It would be very selfish and stupid.

Another thing I fear is that she'll forget Shepard in the end, that he’ll just be a number for her. Yes, I know how ridiculous that sounds but it’s possible. Not everyone remembers their first love.
I remember this one woman who told me a story about her high school crush. They loved each other deeply for years. One day, they thought it would be a smart idea to escape into a different city and live on their own. Seems like a Hollywood movie, eh? Sadly, they were found and forced to break up. Guess what? Now, she’s in her fifties and she doesn’t even remember his last name or his face.

800 years is a VERY long time. Liara wouldn’t forget who Shepard was and what he did, but I fear she would forget and/or not care about all the times they spent together.

Maybe I should just break up with Liara and go for Miranda. I like Miranda, but I adore Liara despite her sh**ty writing in ME2. I really enjoyed her ME1 romance, probably because she was my first BioWare romance.
 
So… I don’t know what to do. Hell, I don’t even see much point in playing this game because of the horrible endings. <_<

please tell meh this is a joke..cause if your telling the truth i feel so sorry for you..smh

[Goku16]

Goku16 wrote...

I1 Trust wrote...

Yeah, this actually bothers me. It's one of the reasons I wish Liara were human.

I was hoping there would be a conversation in ME2 and/or ME3 where Shepard and Liara discuss this. There wasn't any, so right now I don't know what to do.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Liara had hundreds of partners after Shepard’s death. I really don’t like the thought of it, but I can’t ask and expect Liara to stay single for the remaining 800 years of her life. It would be very selfish and stupid.

Another thing I fear is that she'll forget Shepard in the end, that he’ll just be a number for her. Yes, I know how ridiculous that sounds but it’s possible. Not everyone remembers their first love.
I remember this one woman who told me a story about her high school crush. They loved each other deeply for years. One day, they thought it would be a smart idea to escape into a different city and live on their own. Seems like a Hollywood movie, eh? Sadly, they were found and forced to break up. Guess what? Now, she’s in her fifties and she doesn’t even remember his last name or his face.

800 years is a VERY long time. Liara wouldn’t forget who Shepard was and what he did, but I fear she would forget and/or not care about all the times they spent together.

Maybe I should just break up with Liara and go for Miranda. I like Miranda, but I adore Liara despite her sh**ty writing in ME2. I really enjoyed her ME1 romance, probably because she was my first BioWare romance.
 
So… I don’t know what to do. Hell, I don’t even see much point in playing this game because of the horrible endings. <_<

please tell meh this is a joke..cause if your telling the truth i feel so sorry for you..smh
this entire thread was pointless.

[Shaknbac0n]

I doubt anyone asari would forget having Commander freakin Shepard as a sexual partner during their life because Shepard is well... Shepard.

[MalevoIence]

Goku16 wrote...

Goku16 wrote...

I1 Trust wrote...

Yeah, this actually bothers me. It's one of the reasons I wish Liara were human.

I was hoping there would be a conversation in ME2 and/or ME3 where Shepard and Liara discuss this. There wasn't any, so right now I don't know what to do.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Liara had hundreds of partners after Shepard’s death. I really don’t like the thought of it, but I can’t ask and expect Liara to stay single for the remaining 800 years of her life. It would be very selfish and stupid.

Another thing I fear is that she'll forget Shepard in the end, that he’ll just be a number for her. Yes, I know how ridiculous that sounds but it’s possible. Not everyone remembers their first love.
I remember this one woman who told me a story about her high school crush. They loved each other deeply for years. One day, they thought it would be a smart idea to escape into a different city and live on their own. Seems like a Hollywood movie, eh? Sadly, they were found and forced to break up. Guess what? Now, she’s in her fifties and she doesn’t even remember his last name or his face.

800 years is a VERY long time. Liara wouldn’t forget who Shepard was and what he did, but I fear she would forget and/or not care about all the times they spent together.

Maybe I should just break up with Liara and go for Miranda. I like Miranda, but I adore Liara despite her sh**ty writing in ME2. I really enjoyed her ME1 romance, probably because she was my first BioWare romance.
 
So… I don’t know what to do. Hell, I don’t even see much point in playing this game because of the horrible endings. <_<

please tell meh this is a joke..cause if your telling the truth i feel so sorry for you..smh
this entire thread was pointless.

@Goku
No need to rage Goku, just take a breather, Liara isn't real.... calm down....


@nightdragon

There was a heart to this matter?

This thread was created because of the many posts I've seen regarding ppl stating that they would never even think of cheating on Liara, that Liara is the way to go rather than any of the other love interests. So many become uptight, defensive, almost real and combative.  As sad as that may sound, I also found it interesting and thought since others are looking at it with a semblance of realism, thought I'd help you all think about such a relationship, realistically.

Opposed to her living to 1000, your 100 years wasn't meaningless but irrelevant in the 800 years she has left, especially in this stage of her life where she is supposed to go around and find interesting partners, meld with them, have sex with them and just raises the question, why do you wish to pursue a relationship at all?  For all you know, she will end up with a Krogan Battlemaster, live the remaining 600-800 years of her life with him, in which case, who would she consider the love of her life?  Someone she was with for 100 years, 
40 of which you'll be an old man with things sagging and not working as they should, or someone she was with 600 years?  

Well, even if the life span is 150, and lets say Shepard has 100 years or so left, Liara will be 200... which still leaves 800 years, that is a hell of a dry spell. Though they have a meaningful relationship, not more so that she wouldn't have jumped Feron's bones if you turned her down in ME 2. 

Like you all said he's dead, In the 2 years it took to reconstruct him, she developed a close relationship with Feron that you could argue she would end up with him if you rejected her. In the 800 years left in her life, it's foolish to think, she wont meet anymore Ferons out there, and its funny seeing certain of you getting mad.... No... no.... they had a meaningful relationship..... she will be celibate the rest of her life, you all are a riot. 

But, I suppose what I'm saying is, why not pick someone you could grow old with, knowing that you Will be the love of her life. 

Modifié par MalevoIence, 22 avril 2012 - 08:31 .

[Goku16]

@MalevoIence who said i'm raging? all i said was this thread was pointless that doesn't mean i'm raging.

anyway why do you care so much if liara mate with 100 other poeple? its not like she's your LI in the game...it almost like your trying to convince people who romance liara to choose a different LI. god its people like you that makes meh wanna bash your head on a wall.

[DirtySHISN0]

MalevoIence wrote...
There was a heart to this matter?

This thread was created because of the many posts I've seen regarding ppl stating that they would never even think of cheating on Liara, that Liara is the way to go rather than any of the other love interests. So many become uptight, defensive, almost real and combative.  As sad as that may sound, I also found it interesting and thought since others are looking at it with a semblance of realism, thought I'd help you all think about such a relationship, realistically.

Opposed to her living to 1000, your 100 years wasn't meaningless but irrelevant in the 800 years she has left, especially in this stage of her life where she is supposed to go around and find interesting partners, meld with them, have sex with them and just raises the question, why do you wish to pursue a relationship at all?  For all you know, she will end up with a Krogan Battlemaster, live the remaining 600-800 years of her life with him, in which case, who would she consider the love of her life?  Someone she was with for 100 years, 
40 of which you'll be an old man with things sagging and not working as they should, or someone she was with 600 years?  

Well, even if the life span is 150, and lets say Shepard has 100 years or so left, Liara will be 200... which still leaves 800 years, that is a hell of a dry spell. Though they have a meaningful relationship, not more so that she wouldn't have jumped Feron's bones if you turned her down in ME 2. 

Like you all said he's dead, In the 2 years it took to reconstruct him, she developed a close relationship with Feron that you could argue she would end up with him if you rejected her. In the 800 years left in her life, it's foolish to think, she wont meet anymore Ferons out there, and its funny seeing certain of you getting mad.... No... no.... they had a meaningful relationship..... she will be celibate the rest of her life, you all are a riot. 

But, I suppose what I'm saying is, why not pick someone you could grow old with, knowing that you Will be the love of her life. 

- your not buying a product, its not about how much time you get with them. Its almost a quality/quantity argument on your end which isnt the case. Are your choosing the character because you like them? If not you're not you're not emulating a relationship for the roleplay, like you suggest.

An overall answer would be Because that's selfish.    

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 22 avril 2012 - 03:06 .

[polor89]

[quote]DirtySHISN0 wrote...

[quote]MalevoIence wrote...
There was a heart to this matter?

This thread was created because of the many posts I've seen regarding ppl stating that they would never even think of cheating on Liara, that Liara is the way to go rather than any of the other love interests. So many become uptight, defensive, almost real and combative.  As sad as that may sound, I also found it interesting and thought since others are looking at it with a semblance of realism, thought I'd help you all think about such a relationship, realistically.

Opposed to her living to 1000, your 100 years wasn't meaningless but irrelevant in the 800 years she has left, especially in this stage of her life where she is supposed to go around and find interesting partners, meld with them, have sex with them and just raises the question, why do you wish to pursue a relationship at all?  For all you know, she will end up with a Krogan Battlemaster, live the remaining 600-800 years of her life with him, in which case, who would she consider the love of her life?  Someone she was with for 100 years, 
40 of which you'll be an old man with things sagging and not working as they should, or someone she was with 600 years?  

Well, even if the life span is 150, and lets say Shepard has 100 years or so left, Liara will be 200... which still leaves 800 years, that is a hell of a dry spell. Though they have a meaningful relationship, not more so that she wouldn't have jumped Feron's bones if you turned her down in ME 2. 

Like you all said he's dead, In the 2 years it took to reconstruct him, she developed a close relationship with Feron that you could argue she would end up with him if you rejected her. In the 800 years left in her life, it's foolish to think, she wont meet anymore Ferons out there, and its funny seeing certain of you getting mad.... No... no.... they had a meaningful relationship..... she will be celibate the rest of her life, you all are a riot. 

But, I suppose what I'm saying is, why not pick someone you could grow old with, knowing that you Will be the love of her life. 



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First of all shepard isnt 50 years old and by the end of ME3 you realise that he/she isnt fully organic but 50/50 organic-synthetic and probably will have the lifespan of miranda and maybe even more(over 200)

You make the mistake of comparing liara like she is human the asari are very different with their relatioships.If you rekindle you relationship at ME2 she just says feron is just a friend(case closed) but if you say to stay just friends she doesnt deserve to find hapinness elsewere?

Now if you enter in a relationship with Liara you ACCEPT the fact you are going to die before her..so what? you  think liara is a person that after shepard is going to die that will find countless ferons?? you forget that liara waited 106 years to sleep with someone(as she says that to the asari  sex is also a show of trust to the other person)  so... and even if she finds another bondmate NOONE will top shepard even a krogan battlemaster he/she is the savior of the galaxy shepard became 'The Shepard" Shepard became the most important part of her life the most intense the most emotional(remember the phrase at London? Thank you for everything.. HOW YOU FORGET THAT?quality counts not quantinty

Maybe Liara will be devoted to her children and her shadow broker things and put the relationship part aside like samara did.

If you dont like to have a relationship with Liara go with miranda, jack or cortez:P Bioware gave you so many romances. BUT you realise realistically if shepard romance anyone else he/she going to see their romance die first only liara will pass him:(

Once you go blue
YOU will stay true;)

[Goku16]

with shepherd cybernetic implants, he can live for a long time and by the time he die liara would already be at the matron stage and by this time shepherd and liara will have about 3-5 kids lol. when shepherd is dead, liara will settle and raise her childrens because the matron stage is when an asari settles down and raise her childrens and work, which means liara will be raising her children while doing her shadow broker things. liara mom did the same thing, after aethyta left her. she raise liara, teaching her stuff etc. liara said it, i believe it was in ME1 she said after the parent part ways, the asari will concentrate on raising her children just like what benezia did..lol liara will not become a **** sleeping with over 100 poeople sorry but i just can't see that happening maybe other asaries will do that but not liara..

[crkuns]

Forget Shep??? Have any of us ever forgotten our first? Plus if Shep gives her a few kids, would she ever forget Shep when she would most likely stive to be a better mother than Benezia? She would have a reminder of her first husband/wife that should theoretically outlive her...

[Theta Thetis]

If Shepard was KIA at some point in time, then technically, he would have grown old with her.

My Shepard is all too aware that death could be waiting around the corner. If somehow he was to die tomorrow, he'd rather Liara be happy, and for her to move on, regardless. Even if it was a fling for her, it would have been the greatest fling in his life.

[fluffywalrus]

I don't get that logic. Shep and Liara spend time together. IIRC medical advances have made it so humans can live to be pretty darn old (like, 120).
But even then, Liara would have a lot more time on her hands afterward, and it would only be fitting for her to find comfort afterward. I think the notion of a heaven and the mthical "one true love" is too synonymous with human ideals...these are Asari, they live longer, and it would be sad if Liara didn't find someone after Shep.

They cherish the memories and moments with their loved ones. When they mate they pretty much meld minds, there's no way she would forget about Shep or any other love.

It would be selfish to not want Liara to have anyone after Shep passes on, to spend that time alone. It would not be right. Shep goes into the relationship knowing the realities of the situation, she's mature enough to accept that.

[MalevoIence]

fluffywalrus wrote...

I don't get that logic. Shep and Liara spend time together. IIRC medical advances have made it so humans can live to be pretty darn old (like, 120).
But even then, Liara would have a lot more time on her hands afterward, and it would only be fitting for her to find comfort afterward. I think the notion of a heaven and the mthical "one true love" is too synonymous with human ideals...these are Asari, they live longer, and it would be sad if Liara didn't find someone after Shep.

They cherish the memories and moments with their loved ones. When they mate they pretty much meld minds, there's no way she would forget about Shep or any other love.

It would be selfish to not want Liara to have anyone after Shep passes on, to spend that time alone. It would not be right. Shep goes into the relationship knowing the realities of the situation, she's mature enough to accept that.

Which furthers my point of the insignificance a relationship as short as theirs would be