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#276
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Guys, I don't think any form of Romance DLC would require an entire planet worth of exclusive content for your LI, plus "FIX IT" stuff.

Consider if they did do this pack, they'd need to make content, and equal content, for EVERY ROMANCE in this pack. And as Casey once said, DLC like LOTSB costs millions. And that just had Liara. And not every LI is in a high percentage to pay for. Some are even dead, unlike Liara.

We had this problem before with ME2 when the idea originally came. People wanted a DLC dedicated to Tali getting her homeworld back, and then home and marriage, and not thinking of something more realistic for a DLC. Like the cabin scene with Liara. We didn't go to Thessia to get married. We didn't meet her father. She didn't join the crew on the Suicide Mission. We just had the one mission to stop the Shadow Broker, which any Shepard can do, regardless of romance. And then had the cabin scene, which even friendship Shepard can get.

If you really want Bioware to give you something with your LI, you have to think realistically as to what they can send you.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 20 avril 2012 - 05:32 .


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Omega Torsk wrote...

Jassu1979 wrote...

Dear thanemancers,

if you want an elaborate romance that doesn't involve one of the partner's premature death - THEN YOU SHOULD NOT ROMANCE A GUY WHO CLEARLY TELLS YOU HE'S TERMINALLY ILL FROM THE GET-GO.

Honestly, as much as I resent Kai Leng as a cheap, one-dimensional villain, I feel that the ME-writers handled the Thane-arc extraordinarily well. His deathbed scene was one of the most moving moments in the whole game, and I wouldn't wish to trade it in for some cheap last-minute miracle cure. (Although I wouldn't mind if the Thanemancers got some more character interaction prior to this event.)

This.

I'm sorry, but giving Thane a "way out" would be very cheap. I can understand including more romantic interactions with him throughout the first part of the game (with flashbacks in the latter part), but Thane's death was beautifully handled. I wouldn't want to trade it for some magical cure. And, the man told you he was dying when he first met you and you decided to get in a relationship with him, anyway.


Please read my post from above.  It was NOT beautifully handled from a romanced Thane perspective, which is what we're talking about right here :)

#278
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I'd pay for moar gay.

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maybe give the LI's better quests and a tad more dialouge then yeah I would buy it

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RShara wrote...

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Also, I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with the Shepard analogy? There was never an in-game calendar for his death, and at no point is anyone romancing Shepard under the belief he's terminally ill.

The Jacobmancers were definitely cheated though. Quite literally.


My analogy was to make the point that Shepard can be brought back from being dead, but Thane can't be cured from a disease? (Hint:  One is much more space magicky than the other)


Directly after being recruited, during the first conversation on the Normandy, Thane mentioned that the Hanar were working on a cure; he just didn't expect that he would live long enough to benefit from it. In Lair of the Shadow Broker, Thane's dossier showed that he was an eligible transplant candidate, but he refused; it is unclear when it
occurred, so it is unknown whether or not he refused pre- or post meeting Shepard. But the important information here is that it was possible for Thane to receive a transplant that would extend his life. There would not need to be a miracle cure because there was already one in the works by the Hanar. In addition, the CDN mentioned a new medigel for the lungs that would revolutionize internal medicine; I hope I need not explain how this could immediately benefit Thane.

And yet, all that foreshadowing, dismissed. There was hope; not hope from desperate fans reaching for any half-baked scrap of information to support their claim, but hope born of game-provided evidence. This was a slap in the face. If Thane was always slated to die, why give any of it at all? Why have Thane mention that the Hanar were working on a cure?
Why put in Thane's Shadow Broker Dossier that he was an eligible transplant candidate? Why release on the CDN information about a medigel for the lungs, when that information would only be of interest to a select group of the fan base? Why recognize the "Cure Thane in ME3"  banner, giving more hope to fans? If this isn't trolling, I don't know any other name for it.

In the Mass Effect universe, Shepard was been brought back to life from unquestionable death. Mordin threw
together a Genophage cure. Making those two things happen while stating  that extending Thane's life wasn't possible despite all this information is simply contradictory and nonsensical.


Hmmmm... Well, I have always assumed that the discussion about the Hanar cure was a literary device meant to address us going 'Hang on, in this universe, they can bring me back to life, and they have medigel to heal grievous wounds, but there isn't a cure for a fairly common disease? Ohhhhh! There will be one in a few years, but it'll be too late for him. Well, damn.', not 'There's a cure! He just has to hang on...' Though, as for Project Lazarus, that itself was a sheer level of resources, piled onto one man, and took two years, with its success a long shot in the first place. It's the Mass Effect equivalent of the Six Million Dollar Man, 'The 60 Billion Credit Symbol of Human Badassery'. Thane does not have a Drell supremacist organisation trying to ensure he survives to further the Drell agenda.

Most of the 'foreboding' was probably (Mmmm, taste that! That's the taste of SPECULATIONS!) because Bioware was still undecided whether or not to have Thane die yet (wishing to avoid an out-of-the-blue cure), and *certainly* wasn't present when you first chose to romance him, especially not the one in the Shadow Broker's Dossier. It may be that they felt they couldn't do a cure for Thane very well, and so scrapped the idea, or that, like me, they thought it was a better ending. They clearly rank 'what dedicated fans want' quite low on their major story decision-making considerations, and happily abandon storylines with foreboding (Dark energy, anyone?)! Not Trolling, just indecision. There's all sorts of things vaguely foreboded on CDN which came to nothing.

Or maybe they will come to something, only in DLC? Maybe you'll therefore get a Thane resurrection in a DLC. I wouldn't be completely surprised, but then I wouldn't be surprised if you don't, either. I think that it's a good story, it just needs fleshing out. Thanemancers definitely do not get true emotional closure.

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Yes, Thane wouldn't be someone that would get the massive resources that Shepard got for a full ressurection...but his death isn't really necessary to the plot, so really could go either way. And Mordin+hanar+Shepard should be able to create a cure for him without that much difficulty.

And gameplay wise, that should be a cure for the entire drell race, which means that healthy, fighting, badass drells would then get added to your war assets!

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There's no doubt in my mind that at the point of foreshadowing cures/treatments for Thane they were undecided, but the effect was the same... we feel trolled. Pissing of a section of your fans is not good planning and I think that they should have cared a bit more about 'dedicated fans' than they did.

I was never expecting a major role for Thane, I TRUSTED that they would provide a satisfactory conclusion to the romance that fitted in with what information they had supplied. That would have included an option to prolong his life (at a cost). I would enjoyed the game well enough if my shepard had been fighting in the knowledge that Thane was alive and recovering from surgery (with a meet up at the end or a even just a video message). Unfortunately my shepard didn't seem to give a flying **** about losing Thane, and practically every conversation following his death was loaded with flirtation and innuendo... ugh... it was utterly foul.

Bioware don't seem to have given a single **** about their customers who chose to romance Thane.

I want a cure for Thane to be part of a future DLC, it is what's needed for me to consider playing ME again.

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Nightwriter wrote...

Also, I didn't get any "I'm here for you's" from my LI even once. :crying: It was all from Liara. Which is great and all, but she's not who I wanted to hear it from.

Yeah, I don't think Liara understands the concept of "friend-zone." Must be an Asari thing. I've become very wary of her "gift" prior to the final assault of Earth. Not sure if you just shared a nice moment with me or impregnanted yourself...
Also, the one conversation I really wanted to have with Ash was with Liara... about Kaidan. Every on-Normandy conversation after you recruit Ash and before Cronos station was ambient dialogue... was kind of hoping for more!

RShara wrote...

Please read my post from above.  It was NOT beautifully handled from a romanced Thane perspective, which is what we're talking about right here :)

Sorry, and I agree. Thanemancers should get a more in-depth goodbye. Femshep not crying once? Give me a break!

Modifié par Omega Torsk, 20 avril 2012 - 06:00 .


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Aye, if Thane had just been handled decently, I would have probably been ok with his death. But the way they did it, I'm so pissed now that I would want a cure before I could look at the game again.

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I think all romances should get a good romance scene before the final battle.

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Needs more Traynor. That's all I've got to say.

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Flyers215 wrote...

Needs more Traynor. That's all I've got to say.

you guys get  shower fun Kaidan romance is not nearly as fun

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zarnk567 wrote...

I would rather have the "The Fix the Literary monstrosity that is the ME3 ending" Pack.

This x 100 but I wouldn't be adverse to the romance pack.

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 I'd be down with this. More time with Jack, a fix for the utter mess that is Jacob's romance acknowledgement, and someone to actually mourn Thane would make ME3 more palatable for me. I fully admit that after Garrus stood at the memorial wall directly after the Citadel coup and started talking about Ashley's death, and how good it was to have Kaidan back, I shut down the game and haven't gone back to that save since. 

In terms of a cure/life extension for Thane, I could go either way at this point. I don't think it's too much to ask, especially with all the forshadowing that seemed to go on, but if his death stays mandatory at least make it as nice as Miranda's optional one. Let Shepard show some emotion rather than standing there blank-faced. Have someone say something, and please stop pushing Kaidan into the equation. No Thane, I came to the hospital to see you. Kaidan, Shepard's previous LI died about ten minutes ago. Don't go on about 'I know why you cheated, but...'. Not classy. 

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 20 avril 2012 - 06:50 .


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Omega Torsk wrote...

Yeah, I don't think Liara understands the concept of "friend-zone." Must be an Asari thing. I've become very wary of her "gift" prior to the final assault of Earth. Not sure if you just shared a nice moment with me or impregnanted yourself...


I am glad I am not the only one that thinks this! I would be pretty annoyed if Liara came up with a baby...unless it's Feron's. My FemShep's not going to be happy at all! (How do the asari do paternity tests, anyways?)

And speaking of drell-I think a cure would be too much. I do believe he deserved more interaction. Sure he had his cool moves shooting pistols but missing at 2 feet with Kai Leng moment, but that's besides the point. When FemShep asks for some private time I really thought there would be a fade to black. Instead they go nomnoms in the broad daylight.

It reminds me of the Anderss kis in DA2...I get a little embarrassed for my character because the LI is so outwardly...uh...enjoying it.

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Would just a life extension be a middle ground for those who think a cure is too much? Something to get him past ME3 (since we all die ANYWAY...)

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I support this thread, Miranda ftw

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I would likely pay for a DLC that add additional scenes with your corresponding LI. I enjoyed Shepard’s romance with Liara, but it seemed to stall in the latter half of the game.

I also bought all the gifts at the gift shop hopping I could pass them all out.

It should involve dancing at the Purgatory bar; I always got a kick out of dancing with the other squad-mates in the original Mass Effect.

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 I would buy a romance pack but not just for stupid dates. This isn't the Sims and I'm not going to the movies while the Reapers destroy everything! Would require more scenes with existing LIs and an expanded cast list of LIs. 

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Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

Flyers215 wrote...

Needs more Traynor. That's all I've got to say.

you guys get  shower fun Kaidan romance is not nearly as fun

Err, would rather not have the awkward showering-with-underwear-on scene (reminded me too much of what made the DA:O romance scenes awkward). Either have Shep and his/her LI enter the bathroom together, have the door close behind them, and the hear the sound of water running (leaving it up to our imaginations as the screen fades to black) and then show them talking to each other wrapped in towels or, if Bioware is feeling especially daring, show them in the shower, but only from the shoulder-up.

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OK, I don't usually come to the BSN, really becomes it most too quickly and there's not enough hours in the day to read all the pages in a single forum. But anyway, to my point, I would actually pay for more loving in my game in a New York minute. Seriously. I know that sounds ridiculous. But I'm perfectly OK with my crushes on fictional characters. It's even liberating to be able to say that out loud. Alistair, Fenris, Kaidan, Thane. Ahhhhh. But anyway, give me some romance packs and i would pay for it without a second thought. I guess I'd prefer more Thane since you got so little of him in ME3 that I kind of felt shafted (no pun intended). In fact, I kind of felt shafted as a girl playing ME3--Thane dies, Jacob cheats on you, Vega is not an option, Kaidan learns he's bisexual. So the only male character you get that's only interested in women is Garrus, and for some reason I'm just not drawn to character. He's awesome, don't misunderstand. I'm just not drawn to him in the romantic sense--he's too clinical. Although Kaidan is my favorite, you do get time with him that's nice but I would love, love, love more. I kind of hoped that he would stay in the cabin with you once you had him back so you could have any moment you went to your cabin, or at least a few more. But with the lack of content you get with Thane, I guess I'd prefer Thane over Kaidan...although Kaidan is completely delicious. Shenko is generally the fan fiction I read. Man, I really have gone into crazy dork overload. Eh, oh well.

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sarahann62380 wrote...

OK, I don't usually come to the BSN, really becomes it most too quickly and there's not enough hours in the day to read all the pages in a single forum. But anyway, to my point, I would actually pay for more loving in my game in a New York minute. Seriously. I know that sounds ridiculous. But I'm perfectly OK with my crushes on fictional characters. It's even liberating to be able to say that out loud. Alistair, Fenris, Kaidan, Thane. Ahhhhh. But anyway, give me some romance packs and i would pay for it without a second thought. I guess I'd prefer more Thane since you got so little of him in ME3 that I kind of felt shafted (no pun intended). In fact, I kind of felt shafted as a girl playing ME3--Thane dies, Jacob cheats on you, Vega is not an option, Kaidan learns he's bisexual. So the only male character you get that's only interested in women is Garrus, and for some reason I'm just not drawn to character. He's awesome, don't misunderstand. I'm just not drawn to him in the romantic sense--he's too clinical. Although Kaidan is my favorite, you do get time with him that's nice but I would love, love, love more. I kind of hoped that he would stay in the cabin with you once you had him back so you could have any moment you went to your cabin, or at least a few more. But with the lack of content you get with Thane, I guess I'd prefer Thane over Kaidan...although Kaidan is completely delicious. Shenko is generally the fan fiction I read. Man, I really have gone into crazy dork overload. Eh, oh well.


I feel the same way with Samara:wub: I want to be with her so badly. Such an amazing character just tossed aside... how could they?:crying:

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for romance .. I dont mind paying ...

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I get why they did what they did with a lot of characters. If you had nearly everyone die in ME2, you would still have Javik (if you paid for day one DLC), EDI, Kaidan or Ashley, Liara and Vega. So you'd have at least four/five squad mates in case everyone died. And I get that it would be quite hearty to try to write romances for everyone. So I guess I don't fault them too much for not being able to get too intricate with everyone. But I absolutely get your point and understand your disappointment.

I also wanted to say that I get DLCs cost money to produce and if you did one for every character, wow, it would be quite expensive. But to me, this seems like a no-brainer because if you paid for DLC for any romanceable character you had that you wanted more time with, you're likely to buy more than one. So to me this seems like it would be a cash cow. But maybe I'm wrong.

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Miranda is almost impossible to kill until the very very very end of the SM though. And in order of survivability, Tali is lower than both Thane and Jacob. But Tali got a pretty decent romance (except for her face), Garrus did as well.

Apparently Mass Effect has turned into a popularity contest in the way of content.