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[KevShep]

Aaleel wrote...

I'm sorry this is not outside on a hill, this is an interior structure collapsing on someone.

Watch this video on Shepard going and saying good-bye to everyone. IT IS THE SAMR SURROUNDINGS AS THE BREATH SCENE.

[Aaleel]

KevShep wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I'm sorry this is not outside on a hill, this is an interior structure collapsing on someone.

Ignoring the London part for a minute, There is no way it is the citadel...no bricks and no oxygen.

Those aren't bricks, those are slabs on concrete.  This doesn't even look like it's outside at all, and it looks nothing like the area you were in when you got hit by the beam.  Look behind Shepard, more huge chunks of concrete. 

Honestly the beam would have pushed things out away from the impact area, not pulled debris in and piled it on top of Shepard. 

Slow down the video, it is bricks! If you go back and look at shepard going through london saying his/her good-byes you will see the same large gray bricks on every building almost.

They're no building on the hillside, none.  You're running down an open hill.

[EricHVela]

Extremism doesn't help the IT movement.

[BiancoAngelo7]

MJF JD wrote...

IT vs anti-IT

ROUND 23412341234124

FIGHT!

I lold.

Thank you good sir (madam?)

[Aaleel]

Deleted scene

Point me out the building that collapsed on Shepard in the middle of this open area.

[Uncle Jo]

KevShep wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

I know the IT by heart, I've respected it, tough I was always sceptical... Not because it sucks, but like I said above, the theory (it is still a theory isn't it?) would have been fun/interesting, if and only if: it's revealed, as the player is still at the apex of tension, otherwise it fails...

Why would have Bioware waited so long before confirming or dismissing the IT and risking such a backlash ?

It would be as if in "The Usual Suspects", we see K. Spacey/ Keyser Söze getting out of the police station, still limping, and then would get a black screen with the credits... Later we learn by rumors and without seeing it, that he actually walks like you and me and he's the bad guy... And Bryan Singer refuses to confirm or dismiss this rumor... Doesn't make sense...

One more point: The Prothean VI. I know a lot of things have been said about (non reliability, Shep was just on the beginn of the Indoctrination Process and so on...), not convincing me tough...
Further more the VI on Thessia said something about the cycles, supposing that the Reapers themselves were not the mastermind in this story and eventually controlled by a superior power, which could be a hint or an introduction to the Starbrat...

I dont know...Shepard speaking through the catalyst's own voice is REALLY big evidence!

Or laziness from Bioware ? Like the magical gun ? Don't forget, they ran out of time... And for the last pics, I agree Shep is probably on Earth, it looks like concrete (I'm architect)... But it doesn't prove anything. They can say to us : "Hey you know what, Shep survived the explosion of the Crucible, made a dash to the beam and saved his ass..." Or something like that...
Why not ? They've come with the story of the most powerful brat in the galaxy, who's toying with the Reapers...

[FatalX7.0]

Aaleel wrote...

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Point me out the building that collapsed on Shepard in the middle of this open area.

That's an interesting scene.

[liggy002]

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

I know the IT by heart, I've respected it, tough I was always sceptical... Not because it sucks, but like I said above, the theory (it is still a theory isn't it?) would have been fun/interesting, if and only if: it's revealed, as the player is still at the apex of tension, otherwise it fails...

Why would have Bioware waited so long before confirming or dismissing the IT and risking such a backlash ?

It would be as if in "The Usual Suspects", we see K. Spacey/ Keyser Söze getting out of the police station, still limping, and then would get a black screen with the credits... Later we learn by rumors and without seeing it, that he actually walks like you and me and he's the bad guy... And Bryan Singer refuses to confirm or dismiss this rumor... Doesn't make sense...

One more point: The Prothean VI. I know a lot of things have been said about (non reliability, Shep was just on the beginn of the Indoctrination Process and so on...), not convincing me tough...
Further more the VI on Thessia said something about the cycles, supposing that the Reapers themselves were not the mastermind in this story and eventually controlled by a superior power, which could be a hint or an introduction to the Starbrat...

I dont know...Shepard speaking through the catalyst's own voice is REALLY big evidence!

Or laziness from Bioware ? Like the magical gun ? Don't forget, they ran out of time... And for the last pics, I agree Shep is probably on Earth, it looks like concrete (I'm architect)... But it doesn't prove anything. They can say to us : "Hey you know what, Shep survived the explosion of the Crucible, made a dash to the beam and saved his ass..." Or something like that...
Why not ? They've come with the story of the most powerful brat in the galaxy, who's toying with the Reapers...

They'll lose a lot of their fans.  People don't like the ending.  You can't make them like it by explaining it as is.

[FatalX7.0]

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

I know the IT by heart, I've respected it, tough I was always sceptical... Not because it sucks, but like I said above, the theory (it is still a theory isn't it?) would have been fun/interesting, if and only if: it's revealed, as the player is still at the apex of tension, otherwise it fails...

Why would have Bioware waited so long before confirming or dismissing the IT and risking such a backlash ?

It would be as if in "The Usual Suspects", we see K. Spacey/ Keyser Söze getting out of the police station, still limping, and then would get a black screen with the credits... Later we learn by rumors and without seeing it, that he actually walks like you and me and he's the bad guy... And Bryan Singer refuses to confirm or dismiss this rumor... Doesn't make sense...

One more point: The Prothean VI. I know a lot of things have been said about (non reliability, Shep was just on the beginn of the Indoctrination Process and so on...), not convincing me tough...
Further more the VI on Thessia said something about the cycles, supposing that the Reapers themselves were not the mastermind in this story and eventually controlled by a superior power, which could be a hint or an introduction to the Starbrat...

I dont know...Shepard speaking through the catalyst's own voice is REALLY big evidence!

Or laziness from Bioware ? Like the magical gun ? Don't forget, they ran out of time... And for the last pics, I agree Shep is probably on Earth, it looks like concrete (I'm architect)... But it doesn't prove anything. They can say to us : "Hey you know what, Shep survived the explosion of the Crucible, made a dash to the beam and saved his ass..." Or something like that...
Why not ? They've come with the story of the most powerful brat in the galaxy, who's toying with the Reapers...

The gun is a gameplay device. If they gave it ammo, you could waste it all and not have any to take out the husks, Marauder shields and it'd break the destroy ending.

However, the ending was still lazily done. When you fall down to your knees? You can still fire the gun normally, as if you never fell.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 20 avril 2012 - 02:12 .

[tinman888]

As far as I'm concerned, the Mass Effect canon ends after Arrival.

[KevShep]

Aaleel wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I'm sorry this is not outside on a hill, this is an interior structure collapsing on someone.

Ignoring the London part for a minute, There is no way it is the citadel...no bricks and no oxygen.

Those aren't bricks, those are slabs on concrete.  This doesn't even look like it's outside at all, and it looks nothing like the area you were in when you got hit by the beam.  Look behind Shepard, more huge chunks of concrete. 

Honestly the beam would have pushed things out away from the impact area, not pulled debris in and piled it on top of Shepard. 

Slow down the video, it is bricks! If you go back and look at shepard going through london saying his/her good-byes you will see the same large gray bricks on every building almost.

They're no building on the hillside, none.  You're running down an open hill.

No there are not any where your running, but there are hills all around you. watch these two videos and pay attention to the larg gray bricks EVERYWHERE.

[KevShep]

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

I know the IT by heart, I've respected it, tough I was always sceptical... Not because it sucks, but like I said above, the theory (it is still a theory isn't it?) would have been fun/interesting, if and only if: it's revealed, as the player is still at the apex of tension, otherwise it fails...

Why would have Bioware waited so long before confirming or dismissing the IT and risking such a backlash ?

It would be as if in "The Usual Suspects", we see K. Spacey/ Keyser Söze getting out of the police station, still limping, and then would get a black screen with the credits... Later we learn by rumors and without seeing it, that he actually walks like you and me and he's the bad guy... And Bryan Singer refuses to confirm or dismiss this rumor... Doesn't make sense...

One more point: The Prothean VI. I know a lot of things have been said about (non reliability, Shep was just on the beginn of the Indoctrination Process and so on...), not convincing me tough...
Further more the VI on Thessia said something about the cycles, supposing that the Reapers themselves were not the mastermind in this story and eventually controlled by a superior power, which could be a hint or an introduction to the Starbrat...

I dont know...Shepard speaking through the catalyst's own voice is REALLY big evidence!

Or laziness from Bioware ? Like the magical gun ? Don't forget, they ran out of time... And for the last pics, I agree Shep is probably on Earth, it looks like concrete (I'm architect)... But it doesn't prove anything. They can say to us : "Hey you know what, Shep survived the explosion of the Crucible, made a dash to the beam and saved his ass..." Or something like that...
Why not ? They've come with the story of the most powerful brat in the galaxy, who's toying with the Reapers...

Your not even trying now. Your just making wild guesses now. The ...FACT....is, is that it is Shepards voice in the catalyst's voice...This is not for no reason at all.

[FatalX7.0]

Just general models of rubble.

[FatalX7.0]

KevShep wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

I know the IT by heart, I've respected it, tough I was always sceptical... Not because it sucks, but like I said above, the theory (it is still a theory isn't it?) would have been fun/interesting, if and only if: it's revealed, as the player is still at the apex of tension, otherwise it fails...

Why would have Bioware waited so long before confirming or dismissing the IT and risking such a backlash ?

It would be as if in "The Usual Suspects", we see K. Spacey/ Keyser Söze getting out of the police station, still limping, and then would get a black screen with the credits... Later we learn by rumors and without seeing it, that he actually walks like you and me and he's the bad guy... And Bryan Singer refuses to confirm or dismiss this rumor... Doesn't make sense...

One more point: The Prothean VI. I know a lot of things have been said about (non reliability, Shep was just on the beginn of the Indoctrination Process and so on...), not convincing me tough...
Further more the VI on Thessia said something about the cycles, supposing that the Reapers themselves were not the mastermind in this story and eventually controlled by a superior power, which could be a hint or an introduction to the Starbrat...

I dont know...Shepard speaking through the catalyst's own voice is REALLY big evidence!

Or laziness from Bioware ? Like the magical gun ? Don't forget, they ran out of time... And for the last pics, I agree Shep is probably on Earth, it looks like concrete (I'm architect)... But it doesn't prove anything. They can say to us : "Hey you know what, Shep survived the explosion of the Crucible, made a dash to the beam and saved his ass..." Or something like that...
Why not ? They've come with the story of the most powerful brat in the galaxy, who's toying with the Reapers...

Your not even trying now. Your just making wild guesses now. The ...FACT....is, is that it is Shepards voice in the catalyst's voice...This is not for no reason at all.

The Catalyst's simply made itself in a way that Shepard could comprehend.


I can't believe I'm supporting the God Child..

[KevShep]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Just general models of rubble.

Oh really?

General models of rubble that happen to be the SAME EXACT rubble in a City that we were JUST in(london). Weird that it is not!

[Uncle Jo]

liggy002 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

I know the IT by heart, I've respected it, tough I was always sceptical... Not because it sucks, but like I said above, the theory (it is still a theory isn't it?) would have been fun/interesting, if and only if: it's revealed, as the player is still at the apex of tension, otherwise it fails...

Why would have Bioware waited so long before confirming or dismissing the IT and risking such a backlash ?

It would be as if in "The Usual Suspects", we see K. Spacey/ Keyser Söze getting out of the police station, still limping, and then would get a black screen with the credits... Later we learn by rumors and without seeing it, that he actually walks like you and me and he's the bad guy... And Bryan Singer refuses to confirm or dismiss this rumor... Doesn't make sense...

One more point: The Prothean VI. I know a lot of things have been said about (non reliability, Shep was just on the beginn of the Indoctrination Process and so on...), not convincing me tough...
Further more the VI on Thessia said something about the cycles, supposing that the Reapers themselves were not the mastermind in this story and eventually controlled by a superior power, which could be a hint or an introduction to the Starbrat...

I dont know...Shepard speaking through the catalyst's own voice is REALLY big evidence!

Or laziness from Bioware ? Like the magical gun ? Don't forget, they ran out of time... And for the last pics, I agree Shep is probably on Earth, it looks like concrete (I'm architect)... But it doesn't prove anything. They can say to us : "Hey you know what, Shep survived the explosion of the Crucible, made a dash to the beam and saved his ass..." Or something like that...
Why not ? They've come with the story of the most powerful brat in the galaxy, who's toying with the Reapers...

They'll lose a lot of their fans.  People don't like the ending.  You can't make them like it by explaining it as is.

You seem to forget something. Before the IT spread on the net, what were the most important complaint from the players ? A LACK OF CLOSURE So if they add some cool cinematics and a good epilogue, most of the player will be satisfied... And will buy Bioware games again...
I'm pretty sure that if Bioware did an epilogue (even with simple panels like in DAO), some fans would have been maybe upset, but not to such scale.. No one would habe taken so much time, trying to explain the ending  nd the IT would have never been born...

[Aaleel]

KevShep wrote...

No there are not any where your running, but there are hills all around you. watch these two videos and pay attention to the larg gray bricks EVERYWHERE.

Let's just say for argument's sake that's London rubble.  You just admitted that there are no buildings around Shepard when running for the beam, so how does he/she end up in that picture?  That's my whole point of why the IT doesn't make sense in this aspect.  That picture does not jive in any way to where you are when you get hit by the beam.

You would have had to have been standing in a building to end up like Shepard is in that picture.

[KevShep]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

I know the IT by heart, I've respected it, tough I was always sceptical... Not because it sucks, but like I said above, the theory (it is still a theory isn't it?) would have been fun/interesting, if and only if: it's revealed, as the player is still at the apex of tension, otherwise it fails...

Why would have Bioware waited so long before confirming or dismissing the IT and risking such a backlash ?

It would be as if in "The Usual Suspects", we see K. Spacey/ Keyser Söze getting out of the police station, still limping, and then would get a black screen with the credits... Later we learn by rumors and without seeing it, that he actually walks like you and me and he's the bad guy... And Bryan Singer refuses to confirm or dismiss this rumor... Doesn't make sense...

One more point: The Prothean VI. I know a lot of things have been said about (non reliability, Shep was just on the beginn of the Indoctrination Process and so on...), not convincing me tough...
Further more the VI on Thessia said something about the cycles, supposing that the Reapers themselves were not the mastermind in this story and eventually controlled by a superior power, which could be a hint or an introduction to the Starbrat...

I dont know...Shepard speaking through the catalyst's own voice is REALLY big evidence!

Or laziness from Bioware ? Like the magical gun ? Don't forget, they ran out of time... And for the last pics, I agree Shep is probably on Earth, it looks like concrete (I'm architect)... But it doesn't prove anything. They can say to us : "Hey you know what, Shep survived the explosion of the Crucible, made a dash to the beam and saved his ass..." Or something like that...
Why not ? They've come with the story of the most powerful brat in the galaxy, who's toying with the Reapers...

Your not even trying now. Your just making wild guesses now. The ...FACT....is, is that it is Shepards voice in the catalyst's voice...This is not for no reason at all.

The Catalyst's simply made itself in a way that Shepard could comprehend.


I can't believe I'm supporting the God Child..

How do you know that it made itself in a way the shepard could comperhend? Because the game DID NOT TELL US!
 Did you forget that shepard is dreaming often in the game? Its ALWAYS about that kid...and look who it is...the same kid for some unknown reason talking about things that dont add up and I can hear my voice in his!

[KevShep]

Aaleel wrote...

KevShep wrote...

No there are not any where your running, but there are hills all around you. watch these two videos and pay attention to the larg gray bricks EVERYWHERE.

Let's just say for argument's sake that's London rubble.  You just admitted that there are no buildings around Shepard when running for the beam, so how does he/she end up in that picture?  That's my whole point of why the IT doesn't make sense in this aspect.  That picture does not jive in any way to where you are when you get hit by the beam.

You would have had to have been standing in a building to end up like Shepard is in that picture.

There are piles of rubble all over, he /she could have landed in one of them or the firing continued . I dont think that Harbinger stopped firing after he hit you...why would he?

[FatalX7.0]

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

I know the IT by heart, I've respected it, tough I was always sceptical... Not because it sucks, but like I said above, the theory (it is still a theory isn't it?) would have been fun/interesting, if and only if: it's revealed, as the player is still at the apex of tension, otherwise it fails...

Why would have Bioware waited so long before confirming or dismissing the IT and risking such a backlash ?

It would be as if in "The Usual Suspects", we see K. Spacey/ Keyser Söze getting out of the police station, still limping, and then would get a black screen with the credits... Later we learn by rumors and without seeing it, that he actually walks like you and me and he's the bad guy... And Bryan Singer refuses to confirm or dismiss this rumor... Doesn't make sense...

One more point: The Prothean VI. I know a lot of things have been said about (non reliability, Shep was just on the beginn of the Indoctrination Process and so on...), not convincing me tough...
Further more the VI on Thessia said something about the cycles, supposing that the Reapers themselves were not the mastermind in this story and eventually controlled by a superior power, which could be a hint or an introduction to the Starbrat...

I dont know...Shepard speaking through the catalyst's own voice is REALLY big evidence!

Or laziness from Bioware ? Like the magical gun ? Don't forget, they ran out of time... And for the last pics, I agree Shep is probably on Earth, it looks like concrete (I'm architect)... But it doesn't prove anything. They can say to us : "Hey you know what, Shep survived the explosion of the Crucible, made a dash to the beam and saved his ass..." Or something like that...
Why not ? They've come with the story of the most powerful brat in the galaxy, who's toying with the Reapers...

Your not even trying now. Your just making wild guesses now. The ...FACT....is, is that it is Shepards voice in the catalyst's voice...This is not for no reason at all.

The Catalyst's simply made itself in a way that Shepard could comprehend.


I can't believe I'm supporting the God Child..

How do you know that it made itself in a way the shepard could comperhend? Because the game DID NOT TELL US!
 Did you forget that shepard is dreaming often in the game? Its ALWAYS about that kid...and look who it is...the same kid for some unknown reason talking about things that dont add up and I can hear my voice in his!

Just like with Earth, Bioware tried to force us to feel something about nothing. You can also hear the voices of everyone you lost over the course of the games.

The bold makes all of this null.

[liggy002]

Aaleel wrote...

KevShep wrote...

No there are not any where your running, but there are hills all around you. watch these two videos and pay attention to the larg gray bricks EVERYWHERE.

Let's just say for argument's sake that's London rubble.  You just admitted that there are no buildings around Shepard when running for the beam, so how does he/she end up in that picture?  That's my whole point of why the IT doesn't make sense in this aspect.  That picture does not jive in any way to where you are when you get hit by the beam.

You would have had to have been standing in a building to end up like Shepard is in that picture.

What's the bigger plothole?  No buildings or Shepard's squad leaving him behind?   Where are they?  I don't see them anywhere on the ground after Shepard gets hit by the beam.   It would never happen.

[KevShep]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

I know the IT by heart, I've respected it, tough I was always sceptical... Not because it sucks, but like I said above, the theory (it is still a theory isn't it?) would have been fun/interesting, if and only if: it's revealed, as the player is still at the apex of tension, otherwise it fails...

Why would have Bioware waited so long before confirming or dismissing the IT and risking such a backlash ?

It would be as if in "The Usual Suspects", we see K. Spacey/ Keyser Söze getting out of the police station, still limping, and then would get a black screen with the credits... Later we learn by rumors and without seeing it, that he actually walks like you and me and he's the bad guy... And Bryan Singer refuses to confirm or dismiss this rumor... Doesn't make sense...

One more point: The Prothean VI. I know a lot of things have been said about (non reliability, Shep was just on the beginn of the Indoctrination Process and so on...), not convincing me tough...
Further more the VI on Thessia said something about the cycles, supposing that the Reapers themselves were not the mastermind in this story and eventually controlled by a superior power, which could be a hint or an introduction to the Starbrat...

I dont know...Shepard speaking through the catalyst's own voice is REALLY big evidence!

Or laziness from Bioware ? Like the magical gun ? Don't forget, they ran out of time... And for the last pics, I agree Shep is probably on Earth, it looks like concrete (I'm architect)... But it doesn't prove anything. They can say to us : "Hey you know what, Shep survived the explosion of the Crucible, made a dash to the beam and saved his ass..." Or something like that...
Why not ? They've come with the story of the most powerful brat in the galaxy, who's toying with the Reapers...

Your not even trying now. Your just making wild guesses now. The ...FACT....is, is that it is Shepards voice in the catalyst's voice...This is not for no reason at all.

The Catalyst's simply made itself in a way that Shepard could comprehend.


I can't believe I'm supporting the God Child..

How do you know that it made itself in a way the shepard could comperhend? Because the game DID NOT TELL US!
 Did you forget that shepard is dreaming often in the game? Its ALWAYS about that kid...and look who it is...the same kid for some unknown reason talking about things that dont add up and I can hear my voice in his!

Just like with Earth, Bioware tried to force us to feel something about nothing. You can also hear the voices of everyone you lost over the course of the games.

The bold makes all of this null.

No you are just guessing. Iam going off of what IS actually there. Also did you not  know that you can hear Shepard's voice wispering in the background of the catalyst's own voice? Shepard is repeating EVERYTHING that the catalyst is saying the moment he says them.

[FatalX7.0]

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Just general models of rubble.

Oh really?

General models of rubble that happen to be the SAME EXACT rubble in a City that we were JUST in(london). Weird that it is not!

Same exact? Says who?

The whole ending was lazily done. Why would Bioware put in the extra work to make another model of rubble?

Though, in the beginning of the scene, there is a big, curved, fancy..and oddly clean and intact piece of...something.

And that rebar/tube/pipe that looks like the tubes you blew up.

[KevShep]

liggy002 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

KevShep wrote...

No there are not any where your running, but there are hills all around you. watch these two videos and pay attention to the larg gray bricks EVERYWHERE.

Let's just say for argument's sake that's London rubble.  You just admitted that there are no buildings around Shepard when running for the beam, so how does he/she end up in that picture?  That's my whole point of why the IT doesn't make sense in this aspect.  That picture does not jive in any way to where you are when you get hit by the beam.

You would have had to have been standing in a building to end up like Shepard is in that picture.

What's the bigger plothole?  No buildings or Shepard's squad leaving him behind?   Where are they?  I don't see them anywhere on the ground after Shepard gets hit by the beam.   It would never happen.

Actually they are on the ground next to you when you "wake up" to head for the beam...there dead!

[Uncle Jo]

KevShep wrote...


Your not even trying now. Your just making wild guesses now. The ...FACT....is, is that it is Shepards voice in the catalyst's voice...This is not for no reason at all.

Man you're going too far... I mean, honestly who will give a damn about the voice of the Godchild ?
ME3 was never a mind-blowing game, it had a very good space-opera story, lovely characters and was always made for a relatively wide audience... Do you even imagine how much it took to bring the IT ? How many players and fans have taken a huge amount of their time, brainstorming  to elaborate it ? Even so, you're still not sure if it's true...
And don't get me started with the genius of Bioware... They find a way to introduce a super-weapon-of-the-death, which is found, with a great timing by  the way,... on Mars of all the planets and along the way think of something like the IT ?