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[KevShep]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...


How can you say that an audio effect is more than an audio effect? How do you even know that it's Shepard's voice? I have pretty good hearing and these headphones are great. The only thing I hear is God Childs voice echoing.

And when Shepard talks on his/her own, his/her voice echoes as well.

How do I know it was written by two people? The internet.

AAnd I already talked about the dreams. They're just that, dreams. He's also dreaming about his lost friends and the people dying in the war.

 
You said that you heard it!!!!!!! (sigh) Its hard to hear because eh/she is wispering it. It does get more clear as the conversation goes on.

The internet is also run by trolls and other crap so again there is no evidence.

Your forgetting that the point of the dreams revolved around the kid NOT his friends.

It was a post from a Bioware employees account that stated that Casey and Mac wrote the ending without input from the rest of the team.

And I never said that I heard Shepard's voice in the background.

No I read that on the topics on here. It was people speculating about why the ending were so bad...I was part of that topic.

"And I never said that I heard Shepard's voice in the background"----You did acknowleged it!

Modifié par KevShep, 20 avril 2012 - 04:05 .

[FatalX7.0]

liggy002 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Also, please stop using the term "Artistiic Integrity" in regards to the ending. It's inaccurate.

There is no integrity, nor is it artistic to rip off the ending to Deus Ex almost completely, along with elements of Battlestar Galactic.

Well, I haven't played Deus Ex, but I think that we can least agree that neither of us liked the ending.

In Deus Ex you get three choices.

Merge with the Helios AI.

Destroy the global communications hub and send the world into a new dark age.

Or you can rule the world with compassion alongside the Illuminate.


In Mass Effect 3 you get three choices.

Merge synthetic and organic DNA.

Destroy the Mass Relays, which includes the communication buoys as they need the Relays to work, sending the galaxy into a technological dark age.

Or you can control the Reapers.

Wow, it is scary how similar those 2 endings are.

Wait, is that sarcasm?

[FatalX7.0]

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...


How can you say that an audio effect is more than an audio effect? How do you even know that it's Shepard's voice? I have pretty good hearing and these headphones are great. The only thing I hear is God Childs voice echoing.

And when Shepard talks on his/her own, his/her voice echoes as well.

How do I know it was written by two people? The internet.

AAnd I already talked about the dreams. They're just that, dreams. He's also dreaming about his lost friends and the people dying in the war.

 
You said that you heard it!!!!!!! (sigh) Its hard to hear because eh/she is wispering it. It does get more clear as the conversation goes on.

The internet is also run by trolls and other crap so again there is no evidence.

Your forgetting that the point of the dreams revolved around the kid NOT his friends.

It was a post from a Bioware employees account that stated that Casey and Mac wrote the ending without input from the rest of the team.

And I never said that I heard Shepard's voice in the background.

No I read that on the topics on here. It was people speculating about why the ending were so bad...I was part of that topic.

Yeah, it was about a post/message from a Bioware employees account. It was confirmed to have come from his account.

[liggy002]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...


How can you say that an audio effect is more than an audio effect? How do you even know that it's Shepard's voice? I have pretty good hearing and these headphones are great. The only thing I hear is God Childs voice echoing.

And when Shepard talks on his/her own, his/her voice echoes as well.

How do I know it was written by two people? The internet.

AAnd I already talked about the dreams. They're just that, dreams. He's also dreaming about his lost friends and the people dying in the war.

 
You said that you heard it!!!!!!! (sigh) Its hard to hear because eh/she is wispering it. It does get more clear as the conversation goes on.

The internet is also run by trolls and other crap so again there is no evidence.

Your forgetting that the point of the dreams revolved around the kid NOT his friends.

It was a post from a Bioware employees account that stated that Casey and Mac wrote the ending without input from the rest of the team.

And I never said that I heard Shepard's voice in the background.

No I read that on the topics on here. It was people speculating about why the ending were so bad...I was part of that topic.

Yeah, it was about a post/message from a Bioware employees account. It was confirmed to have come from his account.

I thought Chris Priestly posted on here that this was untrue.

[KevShep]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...


How can you say that an audio effect is more than an audio effect? How do you even know that it's Shepard's voice? I have pretty good hearing and these headphones are great. The only thing I hear is God Childs voice echoing.

And when Shepard talks on his/her own, his/her voice echoes as well.

How do I know it was written by two people? The internet.

AAnd I already talked about the dreams. They're just that, dreams. He's also dreaming about his lost friends and the people dying in the war.

 
You said that you heard it!!!!!!! (sigh) Its hard to hear because eh/she is wispering it. It does get more clear as the conversation goes on.

The internet is also run by trolls and other crap so again there is no evidence.

Your forgetting that the point of the dreams revolved around the kid NOT his friends.

It was a post from a Bioware employees account that stated that Casey and Mac wrote the ending without input from the rest of the team.

And I never said that I heard Shepard's voice in the background.

No I read that on the topics on here. It was people speculating about why the ending were so bad...I was part of that topic.

Yeah, it was about a post/message from a Bioware employees account. It was confirmed to have come from his account.

Ive had this discussion before and no one can confirm it.

[FatalX7.0]

liggy002 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...


How can you say that an audio effect is more than an audio effect? How do you even know that it's Shepard's voice? I have pretty good hearing and these headphones are great. The only thing I hear is God Childs voice echoing.

And when Shepard talks on his/her own, his/her voice echoes as well.

How do I know it was written by two people? The internet.

AAnd I already talked about the dreams. They're just that, dreams. He's also dreaming about his lost friends and the people dying in the war.

 
You said that you heard it!!!!!!! (sigh) Its hard to hear because eh/she is wispering it. It does get more clear as the conversation goes on.

The internet is also run by trolls and other crap so again there is no evidence.

Your forgetting that the point of the dreams revolved around the kid NOT his friends.

It was a post from a Bioware employees account that stated that Casey and Mac wrote the ending without input from the rest of the team.

And I never said that I heard Shepard's voice in the background.

No I read that on the topics on here. It was people speculating about why the ending were so bad...I was part of that topic.

Yeah, it was about a post/message from a Bioware employees account. It was confirmed to have come from his account.

I thought Chris Priestly posted on here that this was untrue.

I think so, but it's understandable to deny it.

Honestly, though? I take everything Bioware says nowadays with a grain of salt. So, whatever.

I'm getting tired of seeing Casey and Mac being the only ones to support their ending and "artistic" choices like Tali's face.

[FatalX7.0]

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...


How can you say that an audio effect is more than an audio effect? How do you even know that it's Shepard's voice? I have pretty good hearing and these headphones are great. The only thing I hear is God Childs voice echoing.

And when Shepard talks on his/her own, his/her voice echoes as well.

How do I know it was written by two people? The internet.

AAnd I already talked about the dreams. They're just that, dreams. He's also dreaming about his lost friends and the people dying in the war.

 
You said that you heard it!!!!!!! (sigh) Its hard to hear because eh/she is wispering it. It does get more clear as the conversation goes on.

The internet is also run by trolls and other crap so again there is no evidence.

Your forgetting that the point of the dreams revolved around the kid NOT his friends.

It was a post from a Bioware employees account that stated that Casey and Mac wrote the ending without input from the rest of the team.

And I never said that I heard Shepard's voice in the background.

No I read that on the topics on here. It was people speculating about why the ending were so bad...I was part of that topic.

Yeah, it was about a post/message from a Bioware employees account. It was confirmed to have come from his account.

Ive had this discussion before and no one can confirm it.

Uh-huh.

[Uncle Jo]

KevShep wrote...


No its not late beacuse the DLC is not out yet.

I would like to know how you know that its just a sound effect about the catalyst and why your SSSOOOO sure?

I know it because I've heard it. My ears are really good you know... A friend of mine works as sound engineer and he's also a fan of ME3. He told me: No way in hell. Maybe he's wrong. But don't you think that,  if I hear something and you something else, the hint is not that clear ? Do Bioware really want to blow up our minds (and ears) to this point ?
They didn't say anything about the IT at PAX because there was nothing to say... If the IT is true, Shep still has a fight to finish, so there was no ending.. AgreeD ? Or not ?

And you're still skipping my other arguments... Don't you have an opinion about the rules of a twist ending ?

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 20 avril 2012 - 04:17 .

[liggy002]

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...


No its not late beacuse the DLC is not out yet.

I would like to know how you know that its just a sound effect about the catalyst and why your SSSOOOO sure?

I know it because I've heard it. My ears are really good you know... A friend of mine works as sound engineer and he's also a fan of ME3. He told me: No way in hell. Maybe he's wrong. But don't you think that,  if I hear something and you something else, the hint is not that clear ? Do Bioware really want to blow up our minds (and ears) to this point ?
They didn't say anything about the IT at PAX because there is nothing to say... If the IT is true, Shep still have a fight to finish, so there was no ending.. AgreeD ? Or not ?

And you're still skipping my other arguments... Don't you have an opinion about the rules of a twist ending ?

Disagree.  There was an ending even with the IT.  It was just an inconclusive ending.  The Sopranos did it and that was their final ending to the show.  An ending is an  ending.  What people define as endings depend on their perspective alone.

Modifié par liggy002, 20 avril 2012 - 04:15 .

[dreman9999]

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...


No its not late beacuse the DLC is not out yet.

I would like to know how you know that its just a sound effect about the catalyst and why your SSSOOOO sure?

I know it because I've heard it. My ears are really good you know... A friend of mine works as sound engineer and he's also a fan of ME3. He told me: No way in hell. Maybe he's wrong. But don't you think that,  if I hear something and you something else, the hint is not that clear ? Do Bioware really want to blow up our minds (and ears) to this point ?
They didn't say anything about the IT at PAX because there is nothing to say... If the IT is true, Shep still have a fight to finish, so there was no ending.. AgreeD ? Or not ?

And you're still skipping my other arguments... Don't you have an opinion about the rules of a twist ending ?

About that rule about twist endings...What do you think the breath scene is?

[FatalX7.0]

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...


No its not late beacuse the DLC is not out yet.

I would like to know how you know that its just a sound effect about the catalyst and why your SSSOOOO sure?

I know it because I've heard it. My ears are really good you know... A friend of mine works as sound engineer and he's also a fan of ME3. He told me: No way in hell. Maybe he's wrong. But don't you think that,  if I hear something and you something else, the hint is not that clear ? Do Bioware really want to blow up our minds (and ears) to this point ?
They didn't say anything about the IT at PAX because there is nothing to say... If the IT is true, Shep still have a fight to finish, so there was no ending.. AgreeD ? Or not ?

And you're still skipping my other arguments... Don't you have an opinion about the rules of a twist ending ?

I'm fine if people support the possibility of IT, at this point, the whole ending is speculation, theories and imagining. But what I don't like? Is when people claim that it's undeniable fact and try to shove it down your goddamn throat and insult you when they think you "don't understand".

The other thing, if you're supporting IT, are you also supporting the idea that Bioware intetionally withheld the real ending so they could release it as DLC?

[liggy002]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...


No its not late beacuse the DLC is not out yet.

I would like to know how you know that its just a sound effect about the catalyst and why your SSSOOOO sure?

I know it because I've heard it. My ears are really good you know... A friend of mine works as sound engineer and he's also a fan of ME3. He told me: No way in hell. Maybe he's wrong. But don't you think that,  if I hear something and you something else, the hint is not that clear ? Do Bioware really want to blow up our minds (and ears) to this point ?
They didn't say anything about the IT at PAX because there is nothing to say... If the IT is true, Shep still have a fight to finish, so there was no ending.. AgreeD ? Or not ?

And you're still skipping my other arguments... Don't you have an opinion about the rules of a twist ending ?

I'm fine if people support the possibility of IT, at this point, the whole ending is speculation, theories and imagining. But what I don't like? Is when people claim that it's undeniable fact and try to shove it down your goddamn throat and insult you when they think you "don't understand".

The other thing, if you're supporting IT, are you also supporting the idea that Bioware intetionally withheld the real ending so they could release it as DLC?

Well, no, I don't support the practice itself.  However, I love the Mass Effect series so much that it would deeply sadden me to see it end this way.

[FatalX7.0]

dreman9999 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...


No its not late beacuse the DLC is not out yet.

I would like to know how you know that its just a sound effect about the catalyst and why your SSSOOOO sure?

I know it because I've heard it. My ears are really good you know... A friend of mine works as sound engineer and he's also a fan of ME3. He told me: No way in hell. Maybe he's wrong. But don't you think that,  if I hear something and you something else, the hint is not that clear ? Do Bioware really want to blow up our minds (and ears) to this point ?
They didn't say anything about the IT at PAX because there is nothing to say... If the IT is true, Shep still have a fight to finish, so there was no ending.. AgreeD ? Or not ?

And you're still skipping my other arguments... Don't you have an opinion about the rules of a twist ending ?

About that rule about twist endings...What do you think the breath scene is?

An Easter Egg.

This video articulates everything very, very well.



All of his videos are great, you should check them out.

[FatalX7.0]

liggy002 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...


No its not late beacuse the DLC is not out yet.

I would like to know how you know that its just a sound effect about the catalyst and why your SSSOOOO sure?

I know it because I've heard it. My ears are really good you know... A friend of mine works as sound engineer and he's also a fan of ME3. He told me: No way in hell. Maybe he's wrong. But don't you think that,  if I hear something and you something else, the hint is not that clear ? Do Bioware really want to blow up our minds (and ears) to this point ?
They didn't say anything about the IT at PAX because there is nothing to say... If the IT is true, Shep still have a fight to finish, so there was no ending.. AgreeD ? Or not ?

And you're still skipping my other arguments... Don't you have an opinion about the rules of a twist ending ?

I'm fine if people support the possibility of IT, at this point, the whole ending is speculation, theories and imagining. But what I don't like? Is when people claim that it's undeniable fact and try to shove it down your goddamn throat and insult you when they think you "don't understand".

The other thing, if you're supporting IT, are you also supporting the idea that Bioware intetionally withheld the real ending so they could release it as DLC?

Well, no, I don't support the practice itself.  However, I love the Mass Effect series so much that it would deeply sadden me to see it end this way.

Yeah, I understand how you feel.


I don't want to come off as rude or insulting, but these discussions just get me so worked up sometimes.

[dreman9999]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...


No its not late beacuse the DLC is not out yet.

I would like to know how you know that its just a sound effect about the catalyst and why your SSSOOOO sure?

I know it because I've heard it. My ears are really good you know... A friend of mine works as sound engineer and he's also a fan of ME3. He told me: No way in hell. Maybe he's wrong. But don't you think that,  if I hear something and you something else, the hint is not that clear ? Do Bioware really want to blow up our minds (and ears) to this point ?
They didn't say anything about the IT at PAX because there is nothing to say... If the IT is true, Shep still have a fight to finish, so there was no ending.. AgreeD ? Or not ?

And you're still skipping my other arguments... Don't you have an opinion about the rules of a twist ending ?

I'm fine if people support the possibility of IT, at this point, the whole ending is speculation, theories and imagining. But what I don't like? Is when people claim that it's undeniable fact and try to shove it down your goddamn throat and insult you when they think you "don't understand".

The other thing, if you're supporting IT, are you also supporting the idea that Bioware intetionally withheld the real ending so they could release it as DLC?

I don't like that they did it but it logical to see that they did withheld the realending...They are making EC.

[KevShep]

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...


No its not late beacuse the DLC is not out yet.

I would like to know how you know that its just a sound effect about the catalyst and why your SSSOOOO sure?

I know it because I've heard it. My ears are really good you know... A friend of mine works as sound engineer and he's also a fan of ME3. He told me: No way in hell. Maybe he's wrong. But don't you think that,  if I hear something and you something else, the hint is not that clear ? Do Bioware really want to blow up our minds (and ears) to this point ?
They didn't say anything about the IT at PAX because there is nothing to say... If the IT is true, Shep still have a fight to finish, so there was no ending.. AgreeD ? Or not ?

And you're still skipping my other arguments... Don't you have an opinion about the rules of a twist ending ?

 You can hear maleshep in the right ear peice and femshep in the left one. You can only put one it at a time to hear it but you can hear that it is both voice actors of shepard.
 
They did say somthing about it at pax...They said that they wanted to AVOID questions about the I.T. when they started asking questions.

Iam sorry, what was you argument?...Twist endings? Well I dont mind a twist ending as long as it gives closer and have it make sense.

[dreman9999]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...


No its not late beacuse the DLC is not out yet.

I would like to know how you know that its just a sound effect about the catalyst and why your SSSOOOO sure?

I know it because I've heard it. My ears are really good you know... A friend of mine works as sound engineer and he's also a fan of ME3. He told me: No way in hell. Maybe he's wrong. But don't you think that,  if I hear something and you something else, the hint is not that clear ? Do Bioware really want to blow up our minds (and ears) to this point ?
They didn't say anything about the IT at PAX because there is nothing to say... If the IT is true, Shep still have a fight to finish, so there was no ending.. AgreeD ? Or not ?

And you're still skipping my other arguments... Don't you have an opinion about the rules of a twist ending ?

About that rule about twist endings...What do you think the breath scene is?

An Easter Egg.

This video articulates everything very, very well.



All of his videos are great, you should check them out.

No, it's not an easter egg.....Jade empires"give up" ending was an easter egg. It clearly is meant to say something is up.

[Uncle Jo]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...



[/quote]About that rule about twist endings...What do you think the breath scene is?


[/quote]I'll say this. In a twist-ending ONCE THE TRUTH IS REVEALED, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR DOUBT ANYMORE.

Examples :Usual Suspects, Butterfly Effect and so on....
Counter-Example: Mass Effect 3

What do we know ? Shep is alive. Where ? How ? What happened ? Dunno.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 20 avril 2012 - 04:25 .

[Auralius Carolus]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

The dreams are just that - dreams.

The ghostly figures increase over the course of the game to represent that more and more people are dying in the war, yet the child still stands out to Shepard. It haunts him, which is why the child is the only one with a real apperance, a face. (Just a cheap attempt to make players feel something)

The 'oily shadows'? The tendrils that show up when TIM uses his Reaper implants to control you and Anderson.

And the dreams are also about his squad mates. You can hear their voices in the background, calling Shepard's name.

One of my team asked me about the dreams, Ashley? Or Liara? I dunno, I had the option to say I dreamt about Kaidan...but he wasn't there aside from his voice.

Just seemed kinda stupid.

There is narrative significance to the fact that the child is the dominant feature of the dream. Shepard never sees any companions he's lost or killed, he just sees the child. Likewise, the child is constantly leading Shepard and his pouting is almost ever-present; your companions voices are usually only heard when entering a crowd of shadow figures, which- once again- down plays them.

The child, in effect, is dominating your dreams.

Someone familier with the effects of electromagnetic energy will also point out that intense, reoccurant dreams can be stimulated by large amounts of said electrical frequency. As can perceiving shadow figures, disembodied voices and bilocation.

[FatalX7.0]

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...


No its not late beacuse the DLC is not out yet.

I would like to know how you know that its just a sound effect about the catalyst and why your SSSOOOO sure?

I know it because I've heard it. My ears are really good you know... A friend of mine works as sound engineer and he's also a fan of ME3. He told me: No way in hell. Maybe he's wrong. But don't you think that,  if I hear something and you something else, the hint is not that clear ? Do Bioware really want to blow up our minds (and ears) to this point ?
They didn't say anything about the IT at PAX because there is nothing to say... If the IT is true, Shep still have a fight to finish, so there was no ending.. AgreeD ? Or not ?

And you're still skipping my other arguments... Don't you have an opinion about the rules of a twist ending ?

About that rule about twist endings...What do you think the breath scene is?

An Easter Egg.

This video articulates everything very, very well.



All of his videos are great, you should check them out.

No, it's not an easter egg.....Jade empires"give up" ending was an easter egg. It clearly is meant to say something is up.

Guy gives a good reason why it doesn't matter.

[dreman9999]

[quote]Uncle Jo wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...



[/quote]About that rule about twist endings...What do you think the breath scene is?


[/quote]I'll say this. In a twist-ending once the truth is revealed, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR DOUBT ANYMORE.

Examples :Usual Suspects, Butterfly Effect and so on....
Counter-Example: Mass Effect 3

What do we know ? Shep is alive. Where ? How ? What happened ? Dunno.

[/quote]Agian...We aregetting EC. And on your point, it just makesit clear that ME3 has no ending....for now.

[dreman9999]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

KevShep wrote...


No its not late beacuse the DLC is not out yet.

I would like to know how you know that its just a sound effect about the catalyst and why your SSSOOOO sure?

I know it because I've heard it. My ears are really good you know... A friend of mine works as sound engineer and he's also a fan of ME3. He told me: No way in hell. Maybe he's wrong. But don't you think that,  if I hear something and you something else, the hint is not that clear ? Do Bioware really want to blow up our minds (and ears) to this point ?
They didn't say anything about the IT at PAX because there is nothing to say... If the IT is true, Shep still have a fight to finish, so there was no ending.. AgreeD ? Or not ?

And you're still skipping my other arguments... Don't you have an opinion about the rules of a twist ending ?

About that rule about twist endings...What do you think the breath scene is?

An Easter Egg.

This video articulates everything very, very well.



All of his videos are great, you should check them out.

No, it's not an easter egg.....Jade empires"give up" ending was an easter egg. It clearly is meant to say something is up.

Guy gives a good reason why it doesn't matter.

Again, that still make not an easterege and the fact that everything he is aying is a speculation. If it was not important...It would not be there.

[Uncle Jo]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Uncle Jo wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...



[/quote]About that rule about twist endings...What do you think the breath scene is?


[/quote]I'll say this. In a twist-ending once the truth is revealed, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR DOUBT ANYMORE.

Examples :Usual Suspects, Butterfly Effect and so on....
Counter-Example: Mass Effect 3

What do we know ? Shep is alive. Where ? How ? What happened ? Dunno.

[/quote]Agian...We aregetting EC. And on your point, it just makesit clear that ME3 has no ending....for now.

[/quote]Same Questions, same answers. Sorry if I repeat myself, but the whole discussion is running in circles...

[FatalX7.0]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Uncle Jo wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...



[/quote]About that rule about twist endings...What do you think the breath scene is?


[/quote]I'll say this. In a twist-ending once the truth is revealed, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR DOUBT ANYMORE.

Examples :Usual Suspects, Butterfly Effect and so on....
Counter-Example: Mass Effect 3

What do we know ? Shep is alive. Where ? How ? What happened ? Dunno.

[/quote]Agian...We aregetting EC. And on your point, it just makesit clear that ME3 has no ending....for now.
[/quote]

Nope, this is pretty much an ending.

Before release, in a video interview, Mac Walters said that the universe is a wasteland and that any sequels and DLC that takes place after the events would be boring.

[DangerousPuddy]

liggy002 wrote...

   ...it means that Harbinger's actions in Mass Effect 2 were pretty much meaningless and he wasn't involved in ME3 at all.  When I say "actions" I mean his interest in Shepard.  Also, the cleverly placed "Caution" and "Warning" signs next to the boy wont mean anything as well.  Nor will the toy space cruiser at the beginning of the game when they try to mess with our heads.  Bioware WAS messing with our heads at the ending sequences.

   The ending would simply have no real depth without the hidden mindf*** of an ending.  They clearly intended to indoctrinate Shepard at one point since they were playing with that game mechanic.  I don't believe that they have scrapped that idea.  To do so would be a huge mistake.  And it doesn't make sense either, to just throw Shepard's indoctrination out the window.  It utterly cheapens the magical (NOT SPACE MAGICAL) experience that is supposed to be Mass Effect 3.

  Also, I don't just support the IT because it makes the ending right in my head.  I like it because I believe it is a great theory.  I love the whole concept of Shepard becoming indoctrinated.  In point of fact, I had submitted a suggestion for Bioware to be open to the possibility of Shepard's indoctrination.  He would be a sleeper agent for the Reapers and there would be a terrible conflict with his crew members.  People would die or not die depending on your choices and it wouldn't be pretty.

Like many other things in this title: war assets, journal system, length, bugs etc. I have a feeling it IS indeed tossed out, just wasted potential on what could have been the greatest game ever.