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[Drummernate]

Shock n Awe wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

Shock n Awe wrote...

The guy who said it's bad on Gold lied. It can still 2 shot a trooper from across the map (Scope + Extended Barrel), sometimes 1 shot depending on the grouping of the shot, and Cloak -> Energy Drain -> Cover Shot = Dead Centurion/Nemesis. It still does very good damage to atlases.

The innate armor piercing also helps - every pellet will pierce a guardian's shield. I am actually QUITE impressed with how it does on Gold.

Firing it while in cover with a scope is VERY lethal, as it remains very damaging to a nice range.

Lolwut?

Talon has no piercing.

Lolwut I thought the same thing.  Here I am using it with an extended barrel and scope - NO ARMOR PIERCING - and shooting through guardian's shields (body shots) and cover THICKER than my black widow (without a piercing mod) can shoot through.

This is WITHOUT the pistol piercing mod.  TALON HAS PIERCING.

It is acting God-like now.  On gold.  On Salarian Infiltrator.  The Talon is officially permanent beast unless it gets nerfed, which it doesn't deserve.  It is now worthy of Ultra-rare status.

Were you using AP ammo?

[Shock n Awe]

Now that it is powerful, accurate even at long distances when fire from cover with a scope and barrel mod,  I'm actually enjoying it more than my black widow. It has slightly less power (but most of the things I can do with the BW I can do with the Talon - even on Gold), but it's so much fun to shotgun pistol snipe an enemy.

Modifié par Shock n Awe, 20 avril 2012 - 03:20 .

[Shock n Awe]

Drummernate wrote...

Were you using AP ammo?

Ah that's it, I tossed on AP ammo for this match.  With AP ammo it is an absolute beast; I highly recommend you try it.

Good catch.

Modifié par Shock n Awe, 20 avril 2012 - 03:25 .

[ExOriginz]

it is effective on gold, my soldier use it every times

[richcz3]

Just gave my Talon (level 3) with extended barrel + scope a quick run on Silver. Very effective with the scope using Reave up to med range.
Without the scope, I needed to be close to the target to make the shots count. It's spread is very much shotgun like. I'm going to stick with my Carnifex X w/ EB + Magazine Mods and keep my cool down to 200%.

[WhySoeSerius]

try ARC PISTOL, its even funner. it shoots lazas

[cruc1al]

hihey54 wrote...

Not on gold

Sure it is.

[golyoscsapagy]

Metal Vile wrote...

So sick of measuring every gun's performance based on the "Sucks on Gold" scale.

80% of the guns suck on gold! Should the whole game only consist of

Carnifex
Paladin
Phalanx
Widow
Black Widow
Valiant
Javelin
Geth Plasma Shotgun
Claymore

The list is far bigger than that.

It's not balancing problem. It's a problem of noobs and retards playing gold, who are unable to learn anything. Sure, those guns need some time to get used to, or have to be played differently and above mentioned players are unable to do that. And as they play perfectly (well, according to them) the gun must suck, that's why they get trashed.

And then they come to the forums to post about  it.

[Ninefingers79]

I've had no issues using the Talon in Gold matches. Much better than most shotties if you ask me.

[lolpunch]

I run it on my melee Geth Infiltrator and Krogan Sentinel with melee + piercing mod for Guardians and armored targets. Surprisingly solid gun even before the latest buff, and it's even better now.  Can be used more on ranged/power classes now with the weight reduction, possibly with magazine + piercing.  It's notable that no shotgun has as many shots as a +magazine Talon except the Scimitar, and that weapon doesn't even come close in damage per shot.  

Modifié par lolpunch, 20 avril 2012 - 09:22 .

[Thiak]

Ninefingers79 wrote...

I've had no issues using the Talon in Gold matches. Much better than most shotties if you ask me.

its even better modwise
the AP mod is superior to the shredder mod, it has a decent clip size (4 is just perfect)
compare to shotguns, e.g disciple with same clipsize, similar weight, the disciple doesnt shoot as far as i can spit
having it at 9 leaves me at 194% recharge with 1st weight perk
it is a beast, but i mostly prefer carnifex because of the talons range issue

[brummbrumm]

The talon is a really good gun, especially since the patch.
My krogan vanguard used to use a wraith X, with a talon X, I still have a 200% CD ( meaning lots of charges), more shots per clip and can spec weapon damage instead of the 30% shotgun weight reduction.

[SinerAthin]

Metal Vile wrote...

So sick of measuring every gun's performance based on the "Sucks on Gold" scale.

80% of the guns suck on gold! Should the whole game only consist of

Carnifex
Paladin
Phalanx
Widow
Black Widow
Valiant
Javelin
Geth Plasma Shotgun
Claymore

That is why we want the other weapons buffed

I'd love to bring an Assault Rifle or Katana to Gold without having to screw my team over ^^

[cruc1al]

SinerAthin wrote...

I'd love to bring an Assault Rifle or Katana to Gold without having to screw my team over ^^

I've brought Avenger, GPR, Vindicator, Mattock, Revenant and Striker on Gold with success.

Any weapon can work on Gold.

Modifié par cruc1al, 20 avril 2012 - 11:13 .

[sirjimmus86]

I keep reading these posts about how awesome it is, but never quite manage to make it work for me. I feel like I miss even when close up which is possibly a sign that I just suck at aiming, but I don't have the same problem with other pistols/shotguns.

[veramis]

With cover and scope, some of your shots will still miss long range, especially trying for headshots. Mid-range talon with cover and scope and it is pretty reliable when aiming dead center at heads, close range with cover and scope can always group into the head. If you try to be a popamole taking cover between each shot and not using right click to enter scope before firing, grouping takes a big hit and close range some of your bullets will miss the head. Point blank of course it can hit the head all the time so talon is perfectly viable on gold for vanguards, batarian soldier, krogan soldier, and other close-range classes, but really should put ammo piercing bullets on the talon on gold since it has six bullets and damage reduction from armor is per bullet.

Talon shines the most close range sniping, but it's not often you're doing that on gold. I've tried it on an asari justicar specced for defense so she could handle the heat of enemies closeby, and the talon can put out some serious damage with armor piercing ammo.

[cruc1al]

veramis wrote...

but really should put ammo piercing bullets on the talon on gold since it has six bullets and damage reduction from armor is per bullet.

Alternatively, use the pistol piercing mod with a different ammo power. Disruptor rounds can be extremely useful for a salarian infiltrator versus cerberus/geth, and incendiary panics organics while increasing damage, and cryo is always a nice cc ability

Modifié par cruc1al, 20 avril 2012 - 11:55 .

[hihey54]

Shock n Awe wrote...

The guy who said it's bad on Gold lied. It can still 2 shot a trooper from across the map (Scope + Extended Barrel), sometimes 1 shot depending on the grouping of the shot, and Cloak -> Energy Drain -> Cover Shot = Dead Centurion/Nemesis. It still does very good damage to atlases.

The innate armor piercing also helps - every pellet will pierce a guardian's shield. I am actually QUITE impressed with how it does on Gold.

Firing it while in cover with a scope is VERY lethal, as it remains very damaging to a nice range.

Even without energy drain, just using it with a Scope, Extended Barrel, in cover, and Tactical Cloak makes it very deadly.  It can puncture thicker cover than my Black Widow can (both without piercing mods).

It can 2 shot a trooper from across the map.
Yeah.
With Tactical Cloak.
And all the weapon bonuses from the "Salarian Operative tree".
And AP ammo (which adds a lot of damage).
And, maybe, also with an EB V.
Come on. Even the Phalanx could perform that well with that build.

cruc1al wrote...

hihey54 wrote...

Not on gold

Sure it is.

Read the first lines of this post.

____

Personally, I believe a weapon to be "beast" on gold if it is effective WITHOUT any kind of equipment.
If I like playing sniper on my SI, I use my Valiant II (which not many people have, but not many people have the Talon as well). I have no need for the Talon.
And on power based characters, such as Adepts/Sentinel/Engineers, it is not that good. Surely, it is viable, but it is outperformed by many other guns.
I can 2 shot troopers (and 1shot unshielded nemesis) from across the map with my Carnifex on my ASARI ADEPT, with only a mere 5% damage upgrade from the Asari Justicar tree.
I am sorry, but right now this gun is not fitted for any of the classes in the game (on gold)

Modifié par hihey54, 20 avril 2012 - 12:15 .

[cruc1al]

So, because Carnifex is overpowered, Talon is not a beast on Gold? Please.

[hihey54]

cruc1al wrote...

So, because Carnifex is overpowered, Talon is not a beast on Gold? Please.

If your idea of "beast" is something which enables you to score more than 100k as an Infiltrator against Cerberus, there are plenty of things which are "beast" in this game.

I have tried using a Talon without any kind of equipment (with Mod V and Barrel V) on a power based character and I did not like it at all.
And if you like sniping, use snipers. Or a Paladin.

Modifié par hihey54, 20 avril 2012 - 12:22 .

[golyoscsapagy]

cruc1al wrote...

So, because Carnifex is overpowered, Talon is not a beast on Gold? Please.

Rather because the guy one above you is unable to use it it's a bad gun.
See my points above. Most people don't even ask 'how can I make this stuff work' rather than they try to squeeze it into one of the convenient boxes they know of and when it doesn't happen they are quick to declare something worthless. All because the false assumption they play the game perfectly (or even good at all).

[cruc1al]

hihey54 wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

So, because Carnifex is overpowered, Talon is not a beast on Gold? Please.

If your idea of "beast" is something which enables you to score more than 100k as an Infiltrator against Cerberus, there are plenty of things which are "beast" in this game.

Sure. Scoring >100k versus cerberus with talon makes it a beast weapon, in my opinion. Especially when my Talon is a level I, my infiltrator build is subpar, I only used a rail amp II and no other items, and didn't use any rockets.

And if you like sniping, use snipers. Or a Paladin.

And if you like Shotguns, use Talon.

[Iodine]

I've been using the Talon a good bit since the weight reduction/buffs, especially on Drell and Asari adepts/Justicar where that further r6 passive weight reduction is a great benefit. A lot of the classes it's best on already have much better ways than weapons of dealing with armor (and warp's debuffing makes Talon more effective against armor too), so I primarily use it as a nice shield stripper and mook/health slaughterer.

If you're using the Talon (or any sort of shotgun, of course) against un-debuffed armor, of course it's going to be lackluster compared to armor-oriented high damage-per-shot weapons like Carnifex/Paladin/sniper rifles. But if you're treating it more like an ME2-style specialized shield/barrier-stripper (and health, of course), it really shines and fits the role well. Of course, Cloak's ridiculous damage bonus makes any weapon highly effective, so infiltrators aren't a great class to judge/compare it from by default.

Modifié par Iodine, 20 avril 2012 - 12:33 .

[hihey54]

golyoscsapagy wrote...


Rather because the guy one above you is unable to use it it's a bad gun.
See my points above. Most people don't even ask 'how can I make this stuff work' rather than they try to squeeze it into one of the convenient boxes they know of and when it doesn't happen they are quick to declare something worthless. All because the false assumption they play the game perfectly (or even good at all).

I have already stated what my idea of "beast" is.
I do believe the Talon to be a good heavy pistol (on gold).
I don't believe it to be a beast (on gold).
I do believe there are many weapons which outperform the Talon (on gold).

Look, when I find a new gun I usually use it a couple of times to test its effectiveness, especially with ultra-rares, regardless of the opinions people share on the Bioware Social Network. I usually repeat this after each buff a weapon receives.
And, for the time being, I see NO POINT in choosing the Talon over my Carnifex X or my Phalanx VII on my power-based characters. And the same goes for my Valiant on my Infiltrators.

I am sure that there are people who like this gun and believe that it is better than the aforementioned weapons. BUT I do not share the same opinion at all. I am sorry.

[cruc1al]

And, for the time being, I see NO POINT in choosing the Talon over my Carnifex X or my Phalanx VII on my power-based characters. And the same goes for my Valiant on my Infiltrators.

Assuming you have Black Widow, it's better on an infiltrator, at least if you shoot only cloaked shots. Valiant's damage output suffers when using it only with cloaked shots, because a single cloak cycle takes at least 4.4 seconds or so (according to my experiments; the minimum cloak cooldown of 3 seconds won't initiate immediately as you fire), while Valiant will have shot three times and reloaded in about 2.3-2.4 seconds.

You have the possibility of firing six shots in each cloak cycle though - three cloaked, three uncloaked, extending the cloak cycle to near 5 seconds. With this method it should beat black widow's 4.7 second 3 shot cloak cycle (again, according to my experiments).

edit: did some testing, corrected error

Modifié par cruc1al, 20 avril 2012 - 12:46 .