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[Ravian Gale]

AJRimmsey wrote...

MelancholyV wrote...

As long as I'm a consumer and choose to spend my money on content Bioware promised, I will complain as much as I please when it ends up being a lie after the exchange.

What was it, "we built this game with the fans?" Yeah...

consumer 101

look before you buy

if that makes no sense,i have a shed full a shyte i wish to sell you :innocent:

Your statement is unfair to the indivduals who were promised, and preordered and bought the game without the knowledge that the ending was going to be so bad. It is an awesome game. Ending? Not so much.

I'm going to go make a mod that allows you to kill Starchild.

[Avalon Aurora]

I want them to fix the plot holes, narrative dis-ambiguity, cheapness of re-used or obviously stock-sourced uncreative low-quality assets, and unquestionably fulfill the various promises or clues about the game given before release that they still haven't refuted, particularly regarding the ending(s).

I also think that 'clarification and closure' is unlikely to be able to satisfactorily fix the epic failure of the ending they do have, especially in terms of plot holes, circular logic issues, etc. and they specifically said they weren't re-doing the ending, and there are no new endings, which means they still aren't fulfilling the 'wildly different' and 'no A, B, or C endings' we were told about prior to release. So what they are currently offering doesn't fulfill what we were asking for, and not even what they'd told us we were getting from the game before release.

Until they actually promise to fulfill the various pre-release promises and acknowledge the failures in the current ending and promise to fix them, and introduce new 'wildly different endings' and probably at least 5 or so of them (4 being barely more than 3), I won't stop asking for what I believe I paid for when I bought the game. I might give up asking if they release the clarification thing without what I asked for, and say they aren't doing any more than that concerning the ending, and it still doesn't fix the ending's brokenness. Except if that happens, I'll also stop buying anything EA or Bioware related without heavy checking beforehand concerning quality and not trusting in 'professional' reviews, and no side-merchandise, like t-shirts, swear-shirts, figurines and such.

[AJRimmsey]

Ravian Gale wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

MelancholyV wrote...

As long as I'm a consumer and choose to spend my money on content Bioware promised, I will complain as much as I please when it ends up being a lie after the exchange.

What was it, "we built this game with the fans?" Yeah...

consumer 101

look before you buy

if that makes no sense,i have a shed full a shyte i wish to sell you :innocent:

Your statement is unfair to the indivduals who were promised, and preordered and bought the game without the knowledge that the ending was going to be so bad. It is an awesome game. Ending? Not so much.

I'm going to go make a mod that allows you to kill Starchild.

not unfair.

only unfair if its the first case of a publisher over hyping a game before release.

every game in the last 5 years has progressivly hyped thier games to sell more copies early.

as consumers it our responsibillity to stop this practice by checking whats in the box BEFORE purchase.


modding new content isnt possible until we get an sdk.
also illegal if they dont consent...so if you do find a tool dont tell anyone you did it,much less put it on the net.

from experience i can promise you they`ll come a hunting you down

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 20 avril 2012 - 04:39 .

[MelancholyV]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Ravian Gale wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

MelancholyV wrote...

As long as I'm a consumer and choose to spend my money on content Bioware promised, I will complain as much as I please when it ends up being a lie after the exchange.

What was it, "we built this game with the fans?" Yeah...

consumer 101

look before you buy

if that makes no sense,i have a shed full a shyte i wish to sell you :innocent:

Your statement is unfair to the indivduals who were promised, and preordered and bought the game without the knowledge that the ending was going to be so bad. It is an awesome game. Ending? Not so much.

I'm going to go make a mod that allows you to kill Starchild.

not unfair.

only unfair if its the first case of a publisher over hyping a game before release.

every game in the last 5 years has progressivly hyped thier games to sell more copies early.

as consumers it our responsibillity to stop this practice by checking whats in the box BEFORE purchase.


modding new content isnt possible until we get an sdk.
also illegal if they dont consent...so if you do find a tool dont tell anyone you did it,much less put it on the net.

from experience i can promise you they`ll come a hunting you down

I agree with the general "check what you buy before you buy it" rule, but since it's the final, explosive finale to a series that lasted some years... it's Mass Effect. It's been good from the start. Hype or no hype, we expected this to be the best because it was the last, and the most part, it met our expectations wonderfully. Which makes it hurt even more when we're let down at the very last second when everything was so incredible. We can't predict something so horrible to come, logically, when the majority was done right.

[darksider55]

I say keep complaining and nvr stop!!!!

The constant complaining and protesting is the reason we are getting free stuff. Could you imagine what would happen if they charged for the dlc (resurgence pack)

For me i jst want the ending to make sense that's it. Bioware could of ended the serious anyway they wanted as long as it made some sense.

[Ravian Gale]

[quote]

not unfair.

only unfair if its the first case of a publisher over hyping a game before release.

every game in the last 5 years has progressivly hyped thier games to sell more copies early.

as consumers it our responsibillity to stop this practice by checking whats in the box BEFORE purchase.


modding new content isnt possible until we get an sdk.
also illegal if they dont consent...so if you do find a tool dont tell anyone you did it,much less put it on the net.

from experience i can promise you they`ll come a hunting you down [/quote]

[/quote] Over-Hype from the use of advertisment. I didn't see much of it except for Youtube ads. And it was not even that. Word of mouth is far more powerful then advertisment. With so much good feedback from the first two games, they were expecting that the third was going to be just as good, or even better. It was, until the last 10 minutes of the game, which is my point. Those final moments are a groin-shot for the series.

Modifié par Ravian Gale, 20 avril 2012 - 04:58 .

[AtreiyaN7]

xsdob wrote...

Because people don't know true pain, they do not know the feeling of seeing something that is from start to finish an insult to fans and a middle finger to the previous works and source material.

They have not seen their favorite series turned into a giant mockery to cash in on tweens who want to see a high school musical meets harry potter fanfic. Or see the worst choices for making a movie all combine into a perfect storm of suck. They have not seen the horrors hollywood can do to just get a few more dollars from this years film releases.

It's not an insult to fans or a middle finger to fans. Some people are taking their games way, way, waaaaaaaaaaaaay  too seriously. On the plus side, your ability to write such dramatic posts might serve you well as a scribe on a soap opera, well, if soaps weren't a dying genre anyway.

[Ravian Gale]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Because people don't know true pain, they do not know the feeling of seeing something that is from start to finish an insult to fans and a middle finger to the previous works and source material.

They have not seen their favorite series turned into a giant mockery to cash in on tweens who want to see a high school musical meets harry potter fanfic. Or see the worst choices for making a movie all combine into a perfect storm of suck. They have not seen the horrors hollywood can do to just get a few more dollars from this years film releases.

It's not an insult to fans or a middle finger to fans. Some people are taking their games way, way, waaaaaaaaaaaaay  too seriously. On the plus side, your ability to write such dramatic posts might serve you well as a scribe on a soap opera, well, if soaps weren't a dying genre anyway.

It pretty much is a giant middle finger to fans, like the fact that they cut out 60% of the game.

[Galbrant]

Easy... keep holding their feet to the fire until they get the message. If we stop complaining then they won't get the message. By keeping their feet on fire they won't forget our complaints. And if they screw up the DLC, Throw the torch away and bring out the flamethrower.

[Leanansidhe]

Mostly because they're a bunch of drama queens...

[Dudeman315]

Why do people still bring up: The Holocaust, Slavery, US nuking Japan, Bad Movies, etc.?

[Swimming Ferret]

The fact they need to release a DLC to clarify their endings is cause for complaints. It's when you know they suck at storytelling.

[xsdob]

Ravian Gale wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Because people don't know true pain, they do not know the feeling of seeing something that is from start to finish an insult to fans and a middle finger to the previous works and source material.

They have not seen their favorite series turned into a giant mockery to cash in on tweens who want to see a high school musical meets harry potter fanfic. Or see the worst choices for making a movie all combine into a perfect storm of suck. They have not seen the horrors hollywood can do to just get a few more dollars from this years film releases.

It's not an insult to fans or a middle finger to fans. Some people are taking their games way, way, waaaaaaaaaaaaay  too seriously. On the plus side, your ability to write such dramatic posts might serve you well as a scribe on a soap opera, well, if soaps weren't a dying genre anyway.

It pretty much is a giant middle finger to fans, like the fact that they cut out 60% of the game.

You don't even know what a middle finger to fans is, it's lying to their face by saying that this movie adaptation isn't going to change much, and than changing everything about it. In fact the closest thing to a middle finger this fandom got was mass effect deception, and not only are the porblems in that book monor compared to my favorite book and tv series turned movies, but bioware is actually looking into rewritting it, something we other fans don't get.

Two of my favorite series are the percy jackson novels by rick riordan and avatar: the last airbender. Those two movies sucked so hard that they have pretty much dissapeared out of the collective consciousness of most people. They changed so much, hired such bad actors that chobits looked like Meryl Streep in comparison, had some of tghe worst effects since early 90's cgi, and didn't give two squits of ****** about the story they were based on.

And guess what we fans get as compensation for this, not an apology from the directors or producers. Not that, becase they aren't even pretending to take fan feed back on these projects. And not a cut or extended content that explains what the heck was happening either, that would show they actually cared. We get a sequel, to the movies that made me almost get into a car accident, and almost run someone over with my car, isn't that great? And the best part is that the same people, production crew, and tactic of not listening to fan compalints is still being employed.

So next time you go on here and compalin about bioware not listening or making a subpar game, remeber that aasif mandvi isn't giving a phoned in non-comdeic preformance, the actors voicing shepard and the supporting cast don't blow chuncks, the lore of mass effect is followed pretty closley, the character personalities and looks are not lobotomized and done so for the sake of getting disney tween fans interested, and you are still allowed to trade in your game for something else. My movie ticket is worth dick once I use it, your game can go and get you witcher 2.

Modifié par xsdob, 20 avril 2012 - 05:25 .

[Stealth3]

Why not? Because we can.... Next it will be not buying anything that has to do with Bioware.

[MortalEngines]

Dudeman315 wrote...

Why do people still bring up: The Holocaust, Slavery, US nuking Japan, Bad Movies, etc.?

Are you seriously comparing real life hardships and global disasters that cost millions of lives and some of which represented the epitome of humanities' cruelty to a video game ending? Am I actually seeing this correctly? Are you actually for real? (minus Bad movies obviously)

To answer the OP though, it's because some people take Bioware and their games a bit too seriously and don't realize that multitude of fibs that most marketing teams tell before the game is released (*cough* Peter Molyneux *cough*). They also don't realize that when people make statements before a game is finished they are subject to change and are not set in stone. 

Finally they don't realize that other people didn't mind the ending so much and not everyone wants to talk about it every single day with a new thread. <_<

[Resse]

You want to know why people are still complaining? Watch this and learn something:

www.youtube.com/watch

[thunderhawk862002]

MortalEngines wrote...

Dudeman315 wrote...

Why do people still bring up: The Holocaust, Slavery, US nuking Japan, Bad Movies, etc.?

Are you seriously comparing real life hardships and global disasters that cost millions of lives and some of which represented the epitome of humanities' cruelty to a video game ending? Am I actually seeing this correctly? Are you actually for real? (minus Bad movies obviously)

To answer the OP though, it's because some people take Bioware and their games a bit too seriously and don't realize that multitude of fibs that most marketing teams tell before the game is released (*cough* Peter Molyneux *cough*). They also don't realize that when people make statements before a game is finished they are subject to change and are not set in stone. 

Finally they don't realize that other people didn't mind the ending so much and not everyone wants to talk about it every single day with a new thread. <_<

Well maybe its time to get the marketing teams to stop telling fibs.  Maybe false advertising regulation should include interviews after the game or movie is actually finished being developed.  A couple years ago you could pay reviews to review your game and not disclose the information.  Now after a false advertising suit you are required to disclose if you are a paid reviewer.

That being said try talking about any other part of the game.  For whatever reason the ending gets a free pass because people can be vague with it.   I doubt things will go so smoothly if we want to talk about the actual missions.  Which why we should be getting a non owner spoiler forum in my opinion.  

Plus more people finish the game everyday.  It's not surprising there would be repeat posts.

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 20 avril 2012 - 05:38 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

If they weren't complaining about the endings, they'd be complaining about something else.

[Soaringeagle78]

1: Bioware isn't fixing the ending, they're explaining why the ending sucks and adding 'closure', but they are most certainly not fixing anything.
2: I continue to complain because I know that Bioware is willing to do something to deal with the problem. But since they still aren't actually fixing it. I have some glimmer of hope that maybe if we continue to protest until shortly before the DC comes out, maybe they'll finally come to their senses and fix it. But if they don't and the DC is trash, then you probably won't see me on these forums anymore.

[RaggieRags]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

If they weren't complaining about the endings, they'd be complaining about something else.

I've been a Bioware customer since 1998, and I've never been complaining before. I used to belong to the silent, happy majority.

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

If they weren't complaining about the endings, they'd be complaining about something else.

Well maybe both sides should be requesting a separate non owner forum for spoilers.  I'd love to talk about the missions of the game and things like that.  But sadly it seems like the most we can get away with is talking about the endings which is really ironic.  

[Dridengx]

Arsenic Touch wrote...

What, who are you again? are you someone important to dictate such things? no? didn't think so. Run along.

same could be said about you.. think before you submit

[AlanC9]

Ravian Gale wrote...
It pretty much is a giant middle finger to fans, like the fact that they cut out 60% of the game.

60%. You're telling me ME3 was originally supposed to be 70 hours long?
 This I gotta hear. 

[Farbautisonn]

jacobdg wrote...

They're offering you DLC for FREE, to fix the endings. That's what we've all been asking for.

The entire time we wanted closure, and the plotholes to be fixed. And then when they offer us what we wan't, at the last second you say: "NVM WE WANT A COMPLETELY NEW ENDING!"

I personally find it pathetic, but thats just my opinion. Biowares atleast TRYING, right?

-HAhahha.... *ghasp* AAAAAAAAhahahha....



"Fix the endings"? No... they havent promised to Fix the endings. They have promised "clarification" this "summer". And given the value of their promises so far I dont even believe that.  

But thanks for the laugh OP.

[FDrage]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

B/c some ppl have nothing better to do.

^

And they aren't fixing it, they're explaining it.

that remains to be seen so ...