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[Riknas]

Why STOP now? These fans they're trying to please have been marginalized repeatedly, referred to as, "some people" and "most passionate fans" in such beautifully condescending fashion, people "unable to let go, and need more closure."

We're then told there will be cut scenes offering closure and clarity, and no further details. That seems like a bare minimum, and if we don't want Bioware to be complacent, we can't let ourselves get that way either.

Modifié par Riknas, 21 avril 2012 - 12:31 .

[Soultaker08]

Why not, Why yes, Why the hell

everyone shall do as he pleases

[Andromidius]

jacobdg wrote...

They're offering you DLC for FREE, to fix the endings. That's what we've all been asking for.

No, they aren't.  At all.  What they are offering is free DLC to 'clarify' the endings we have.  Which is the exact OPPOSITE of what we asked for.  We asked for a rewrite of the ending, closing the plotholes, removing the Dues Ex ripoff ending, adding more options and choice.

How many times does this BASIC concept need to be explained?  Because either you're not paying attention, you're really stupid, or you're a massive troll.  Which is it?  

Really, I'm sick of these same threads cropping up.  And this is probably why we keep complaining - CERTAIN PEOPLE REPEATEDLY FAIL TO UNDERSTAND .

[Baldrick67]

Because if we don't complian how poor the ending was BW would think it was a good ending and serve up the same plate of fail for upcoming games.

The free DLC isn't changing the ending, just trying to plug the massive plot holes with a band aid.

[AJRimmsey]

Andromidius wrote...

jacobdg wrote...

They're offering you DLC for FREE, to fix the endings. That's what we've all been asking for.

No, they aren't.  At all.  What they are offering is free DLC to 'clarify' the endings we have.  Which is the exact OPPOSITE of what we asked for.  We asked for a rewrite of the ending, closing the plotholes, removing the Dues Ex ripoff ending, adding more options and choice.

How many times does this BASIC concept need to be explained?  Because either you're not paying attention, you're really stupid, or you're a massive troll.  Which is it?  

Really, I'm sick of these same threads cropping up.  And this is probably why we keep complaining - CERTAIN PEOPLE REPEATEDLY FAIL TO UNDERSTAND .

you really cant blame people for being confused

first you demanded closure
when offered closure free,you start demanding more endings

you shout about bioware not listening
then keep posting on the bioware forum that you want to be heard

you then are told by bioware they wont be doing more endings
and back you come to demand more endings you know you wont get

you demand plothole filler
the dlc will fill the plotholes but you continue to say the dlc wont.

all we are hearing is you shouting "GIMME GIMME GIMME"
they then gave you what was demanded and suddenly you want something else.

and when the other forum users get sick of all your demanding,you have the gall to tell them you have the right to spam wherever you please while saying others have no right to tell you to bugger off ?

so its easy to see why theres confusion.


ps.
btw,if this was your product and you were subjected to the same treatment from your customers you would have told them to **** off weeks ago,bioware didnt,they even let you spam the forum to your hearts content.

and when you got too virulent and offensive they banned people for it...and guess what you did ?

yup..complained and threw more accusations at them.

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 21 avril 2012 - 12:52 .

[RocketManSR2]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

B/c some ppl have nothing better to do.

.....Like the TC, who made a topic complaining about complainers... <_<

[bmwcrazy]

Why continue to complain about people complaining?

[Pee Jae]

I'll answer this question plainly and succinctly; they still suck. When they stop sucking, I'll stop complaining.

[Riknas]

AJRimmsey wrote...
you really cant blame people for being confused

first you demanded closure
when offered closure free,you start demanding more endings

you shout about bioware not listening
then keep posting on the bioware forum that you want to be heard

you then are told by bioware they wont be doing more endings
and back you come to demand more endings you know you wont get

you demand plothole filler
the dlc will fill the plotholes but you continue to say the dlc wont.

all we are hearing is you shouting "GIMME GIMME GIMME"
they then gave you what was demanded and suddenly you want something else.

and when the other forum users get sick of all your demanding,you have the gall to tell them you have the right to spam wherever you please while saying others have no right to tell you to bugger off ?

so its easy to see why theres confusion.


ps.
btw,if this was your product and you were subjected to the same treatment from your customers you would have told them to **** off weeks ago,bioware didnt,they even let you spam the forum to your hearts content.

and when you got too virulent and offensive they banned people for it...and guess what you did ?

yup..complained and threw more accusations at them.

Maybe you'd like to stop for a moment and get your facts straight, or at least find the Shift key.

Saying, "You said this, and this, and this" like it was the same person coming up with new ideas everytime they got an answer is simply foolish nonsense. The majority of the time was spent going, "Rewrite the ending!" over and over by different manners consisting of charity, cupcakes, petitions, blogposts and website articles.

Why should someone give up on wanting to be heard? And at no point did the community as a whole try to press the advantage and say, "Oh, if you'll give us closure, NOW I want some new endings added on!" 

Really, the ending needs to be "fixed". I think you can do it a variety of ways, but Bioware's recent track record (DLC for Origins was cut short. Awakening was left with several painful bugs and unfinished content, DA2 was released painfully buggy and too soon, then quickly dropped after two patches) has been spotty at best. Indeed, many don't believe Bioware/EA will do what they say, and I don't blame them. Even I'm skeptical. Not only that, they made this announcement for the Extended Cut while dismissing and insulting nearly everyone that wasn't satisfied with the ending.

And then, even Bioware said they didn't even ban people for expressing their opinions, and you're trying to use that as an argument?

Then again, I can't really blame you for being confused, right?

P.S. If this was my product, I would be scrambling to see how I went so far wrong that my company's stock started dropping, the average rating of my latest game dropped on Amazon and Metacritic, while new articles show up about why I messed up again. At that point, I would have come close to a heart attack and be looking for the best way to make amends and reassure people I will get the situation back under control. The last thing I would do is flip them all the birdie for having the wrong opinion.

[Kyda]

I am waiting for the EC to come out but it is not like I am going to start saying now that I like the endings just because the EC (that I know nothing about yet) will come out someday. When I feel like posting my opinion about the endings (or anything else) it will be the very same one that I got the day I finished the game. I might hold until EC is out to say whether it actually improves the ending enough for me to make me want to replay the game again and trust Bioware to preorder again (which I don´t think I will at the moment) but I will still keep expressing what I think they did wrong. I am happy for the people that liked the endings or didn´t feel like they were too open for an end of a trilogy (I wish that was all I could blame them for) or that it had too many plot holes or that it didn’t acknowledge my previous choices from the other games or that it suddenly forgot about the storyline to bring a whole new idea in the last part of the game. I am glad some people can enjoy it as it is and the good thing is that whatever Bioware comes out with won´t change the way you can enjoy it, because you already got what you wanted. On the other hand, for the rest of us who feel we didn´t quite get what we are "used to” from Bioware (meaning endings that either make sense and don’t have plot holes and- especially in the Mass Effect series- get different endings that are actually different) it is important to let them know that we expected something else because we believe they could have delivered something a lot better. So basically in your case (happy customer) nothing will change but for the people waiting for the EC it could be a world of difference and they trying to be heard so that they can get what they want as well. Of course Bioware will do what they think it´s best and there is no way to please everybody and in the end some fans will remain and other will move on, but the time to ask for something is now, before EC is out and before Bioware moves along to other things. So I guess that´s why most people keep complaining about the ending…

[nazgul1x]

IMO Bioware brought all of this on themselves. They were the ones hyping the "no A,B,C endings", etc. Call it lies, or a failure to deliver, or what have you....the bottom line is that Bioware left themselves wide open for the backlash, especially after DA2. How come none of BW's defenders ever mention (at least I haven't seen it) BW's failure to deliver what they themselves said would be in the game?
I know BW will make great games in the future (they are too talented not to) but for M.E. to finish like this, is just plain wrong. Why? Because I didn't like it? No, because they said it wouldn't end like this. If this was just some "typical" gaming studio, it could be easily passed over by virtue of most of the rest of the game being very good.......But this isn't some typical gaming studio, it is BIOWARE, one of the very best. 

BIOWARE, you are so much better than this. If you would do whatever it took to make the endings match your pre-release discriptions of them, you would be giving many of your fans back their trust in you, and your own company's image, a huge boost. 

BIOWARE BE THE BEST!!! 
 

[The Golar]

I really don't see what the issue is with the ending, other than the fact that the crew of the Normandy are deserting, cowardly bastards. Clear that bit up, and I'm happy.

[spirosz]

The word "fixing" is not in their news, or should I say "wording" about the extended dlc.

Modifié par spiros9110, 21 avril 2012 - 02:09 .

[AJRimmsey]

The Golar wrote...

I really don't see what the issue is with the ending, other than the fact that the crew of the Normandy are deserting, cowardly bastards. Clear that bit up, and I'm happy.

remember the slo mo walk and dialogue that followed ?

time it

then time the launch from planet to normandy and normandy to a relay

actually they would have had time for tea and crumpets before leaving

as for the deserting,they could have easily assumed the last shot that wounded had killed.

[LOLandStuff]

Because I was expecting an epic showdown with Harbinger.
He's been obsessed with Shepard. He wanted your body. He just kept throwing annoying insults at you and whatnot. And then he blasts you and simply flies away. Really? That's it?
And many more things.

[Legion64]

Because I have the right to point out Bioware's flaws, and you can't do nothing about it OP.

[AJRimmsey]

Legion64 wrote...

Because I have the right to point out Bioware's flaws, and you can't do nothing about it OP.

well you just gave him the right to point out your flaws

[Riknas]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

Because I have the right to point out Bioware's flaws, and you can't do nothing about it OP.

well you just gave him the right to point out your flaws

And we have the right to point out yours.

[zoompooky]

jacobdg wrote...

They're offering you DLC for FREE, to fix the endings. That's what we've all been asking for.

The entire time we wanted closure, and the plotholes to be fixed. And then when they offer us what we wan't, at the last second you say: "NVM WE WANT A COMPLETELY NEW ENDING!"

I personally find it pathetic, but thats just my opinion. Biowares atleast TRYING, right?

Why do you stress "FREE" as in that is even something we should consider?

Unless they deliver WAY more than they've said so far that they are planning, they're not closing plotholes, they're going to cover them up.

"Oh don't worry - the Mass Relays weren't REALLY destroyed - just damaged a little so everything's ok..."

Followed by Ewoks dancing in the trees.

[kaisterbahn]

Andromidius wrote...

jacobdg wrote...

They're offering you DLC for FREE, to fix the endings. That's what we've all been asking for.

How many times does this BASIC concept need to be explained?  Because either you're not paying attention, you're really stupid, or you're a massive troll.  Which is it?  

This is all that should be said from now on.

[Mars8309]

jacobdg wrote...

They're offering you DLC for FREE, to fix the endings. That's what we've all been asking for.

The entire time we wanted closure, and the plotholes to be fixed. And then when they offer us what we wan't, at the last second you say: "NVM WE WANT A COMPLETELY NEW ENDING!"

I personally find it pathetic, but thats just my opinion. Biowares atleast TRYING, right?

No thats not what we been asking for.
ME1 into ME2 it all tied together.
in ME1 if you chose to kill the LAST racchi Queen...She appears in ME3?
in ME2 the dark energy talk from getting Tali to join Normandy and that federal agent woman meet in Norvia in ME1 seen in Illium in ME2 talking about going after the causes of dark energy on a dying sun...in ME3 cut out.
in ME2 in the beginning when shepard was being spaced by saving Joker He did in space and crash landing on the planet. at the end of ME2 if people got over 5000+ EMS getting the "perfect" ending Bioware saying that Shepard surived the re-entry to earth?
Heres another plot hole:
How do our allies return to there planets; defeat the Reapers; if can't get home the fastest way? Due to what happens to the Mass Relays.
How about the part where Shepard is talking to the space child without a breatherized helmet? Does that make sense?
Another plot hole:
If you managed to create peace between the Quarians and the Geth and of the 3 choices by going choice of "Destroy" to the way Tali stated it would take centuries to get the Quarians to get used to the planet again without the Geth's help...but Shepard would still live. the choices you have made from ME1-3 it doesn't matter at the end of ME3.

We do want closure; but we want closure that MAKES SENSE. The ending we got does not make any sense at all.
That is why people continue to complain about the ending as Bioware is not listening.
the Extanded Cut is a PR move as stated they are going keep the current ending. All through this board they say they are listening. But they aren't. If they were listening they be answering questions from the get-go. Instead over 2 weeks of silence, trashing gamers and fans, and to believe the Extanded Cut is going solve there problems.

If a game beginning to the end and the ending doesn't make sense...would you ask questions on the game forum to get answers? I would and many others feel the same.

[BellatrixLugosi]

Mars8309 wrote...

jacobdg wrote...

They're offering you DLC for FREE, to fix the endings. That's what we've all been asking for.

The entire time we wanted closure, and the plotholes to be fixed. And then when they offer us what we wan't, at the last second you say: "NVM WE WANT A COMPLETELY NEW ENDING!"

I personally find it pathetic, but thats just my opinion. Biowares atleast TRYING, right?

No thats not what we been asking for.
ME1 into ME2 it all tied together.
in ME1 if you chose to kill the LAST racchi Queen...She appears in ME3?
in ME2 the dark energy talk from getting Tali to join Normandy and that federal agent woman meet in Norvia in ME1 seen in Illium in ME2 talking about going after the causes of dark energy on a dying sun...in ME3 cut out.
in ME2 in the beginning when shepard was being spaced by saving Joker He did in space and crash landing on the planet. at the end of ME2 if people got over 5000+ EMS getting the "perfect" ending Bioware saying that Shepard surived the re-entry to earth?
Heres another plot hole:
How do our allies return to there planets; defeat the Reapers; if can't get home the fastest way? Due to what happens to the Mass Relays.
How about the part where Shepard is talking to the space child without a breatherized helmet? Does that make sense?
Another plot hole:
If you managed to create peace between the Quarians and the Geth and of the 3 choices by going choice of "Destroy" to the way Tali stated it would take centuries to get the Quarians to get used to the planet again without the Geth's help...but Shepard would still live. the choices you have made from ME1-3 it doesn't matter at the end of ME3.

We do want closure; but we want closure that MAKES SENSE. The ending we got does not make any sense at all.
That is why people continue to complain about the ending as Bioware is not listening.
the Extanded Cut is a PR move as stated they are going keep the current ending. All through this board they say they are listening. But they aren't. If they were listening they be answering questions from the get-go. Instead over 2 weeks of silence, trashing gamers and fans, and to believe the Extanded Cut is going solve there problems.

If a game beginning to the end and the ending doesn't make sense...would you ask questions on the game forum to get answers? I would and many others feel the same.

How are they trashing you?  I mean the literally are going to put additions on their product and give it to you free of charge........I mean if they were such bad people and evil selfish corporation why would they make that much of a attempt?

Seriously you retakers have really lost sight of things.

[zoompooky]

BellatrixLugosi wrote...
 I mean the literally are going to put additions on their product and give it to you free of charge........I mean if they were such bad people and evil selfish corporation why would they make that much of a attempt?

Seriously you retakers have really lost sight of things.

It's called trying to salvage the situation.  They're doing it for their own self-interest, and nothing else.

[spyro396]

I dont see how the extended cut will clarify the ending. the ending isnt something that can be fixed without changing it

[BellatrixLugosi]

zoompooky wrote...

BellatrixLugosi wrote...
 I mean the literally are going to put additions on their product and give it to you free of charge........I mean if they were such bad people and evil selfish corporation why would they make that much of a attempt?

Seriously you retakers have really lost sight of things.

It's called trying to salvage the situation.  They're doing it for their own self-interest, and nothing else.

And?