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[levyjl1988]

For a multi-million dollar budget game there cannot be any mistakes especially with all the fan support over the course of 5 years since the first game. Fans have the right to complain. We complain because we care. ME3 left an awful taste in my mouth that I'm trying to get rid of by playing other games. Games that have better endings,

[BellatrixLugosi]

levyjl1988 wrote...

For a multi-million dollar budget game there cannot be any mistakes especially with all the fan support over the course of 5 years since the first game. Fans have the right to complain. We complain because we care. ME3 left an awful taste in my mouth that I'm trying to get rid of by playing other games. Games that have better endings,

(facepalm) ya, because other games with that budget are utterly perfect.........sigh.  You guys are really disappointing sometimes, but the world needs brats I guess.

Modifié par BellatrixLugosi, 21 avril 2012 - 05:10 .

[thunderhawk862002]

levyjl1988 wrote...

For a multi-million dollar budget game there cannot be any mistakes especially with all the fan support over the course of 5 years since the first game. Fans have the right to complain. We complain because we care. ME3 left an awful taste in my mouth that I'm trying to get rid of by playing other games. Games that have better endings,

Twilight has a better ending.  Heck Final Fantasy XIII-2 has a better ending.

[shurikenmanta]

Because the fanbase has become unpleasable.

Even if the DLC completely rewrites the ending in the face of all the nerdrage, there'll be something else. Like maybe 'Retake ME3 Part II: Demand The Friend Zone Turian Finally Getting Some'.

At this rate, this will be the 'kids skating on the sidewalks' and 'Generation Y are Satan' equivalent in fifty years time.

Modifié par shurikenmanta, 21 avril 2012 - 05:31 .

[Korubrus]

jacobdg wrote...

They're offering you DLC for FREE, to fix the endings. That's what we've all been asking for.

The entire time we wanted closure, and the plotholes to be fixed. And then when they offer us what we wan't, at the last second you say: "NVM WE WANT A COMPLETELY NEW ENDING!"

I personally find it pathetic, but thats just my opinion. Biowares atleast TRYING, right?

Actually everyone complaining was asking for a NEW ENDING from the start. Bioware pulled up short by attempting to explain their plot holes away.

We are all very sceptical as even with all the conspiracy theories they cannot explain the ending well enough.

IT is the most plausible ending to explain all the plot holes - but if thats what they go with then why wasn't it in the actual ending?

Explain the endings all they want - Some things still wont make sence and we will be back to square one. Ofcourse if they do manage to explain the endings and its a 'eureka' moment for all involved then BRAVO BRIOWARE, you successfuly made us pay full price for a game with an incomplete ending.

If they just 'explain' their endings - It shows a lack of finish in ME3 when it was released.
If the just admit "Well ok, perhaps the ending didn't satisfy the customers as much as we promised" and created a new ending with the feedback - then they give themselves a chance at making the most people satisfied.

[Korubrus]

shurikenmanta wrote...

Because the fanbase has become unpleasable.

Even if the DLC completely rewrites the ending in the face of all the nerdrage, there'll be something else. Like maybe 'Retake ME3 Part II: Demand The Friend Zone Turian Finally Getting Some'.

At this rate, this will be the 'kids skating on the sidewalks' and 'Generation Y are Satan' equivalent in fifty years time.

Everyone who dislikes the ending loved the first 95% of the game.
To say we are all 'unpleasable' is unfair. When really the only part we are not happy with is the ending (Which everyone tends to agree makes little sence and creates more questions than it answers).

Almost everyone would have been 'ok' with sheps dieing, even most of your squad dieing. Its not that which is the issue, its purely that you get the same ending to which makes no logical sence.

As I've said a million times before. If you create a Sci-fi game you start off the series by creating the physics and laws of that universe, explaining technology of the time and give the fans some knowledge of what is and is not possible in the universe - And WHY.

ME2 had the task of explaining the Omega 4 relay for eg. And done a fantastic job to explain what made that relay different than others, and how to combat the fact no one had ever made it through.

ME3 in the last 5 minuits created a space-child to which was never explained who, what, where, how or why the child is in the citedel. You get lifted into an area that no one has ever been to, and BOOM a space child appears - who turns out to be the most important character in the series.
You get coloured lights flying and boom, Normandy on some random planet - unknown why it was leaving the battle and unknown how your ground crew got onboard.
Ofcourse plenty of other parts that raise questions.

Yes - the series hasn't been 'perfect' and there have been some other plot holes from ME1 and ME2. But they never flooded the storey like they did in ME3's ending. There was just too much to overlook, and the fact that it was such an important part of the storey - concluding the 3 previous games.

[Shane Ashkore]

MelancholyV wrote...

As long as I'm a consumer and choose to spend my money on content Bioware promised, I will complain as much as I please when it ends up being a lie.

What was it, "we built this game with the fans?" Yeah...

Ah, Left for Dead.
A game built with fans who wanted nothing to do with a story, but wanted to get right into killing. So we end up with a game that we have no story and must make up crap along the way. So much better that way, right....

[historybrat]

Well this is the first time I have posted here...but there are several reasons as to why I am not happy and why I still complain about the ending.

1. Bioware has yet to acknowledge that the endings were bad. We have been promised a DLC sometime during the summer that will "clarify" the endings. Not that the endings would be fixed.

2. You "clarify" something when people don't get the something. Whether they intended to or not Bioware has more or less implied that those of us that are not happy with the ending are too dumb to get it. I will totally grant that this may not have been what they were implying but it is how many of us took it given the context of the response.

3. I get the endings. They are still bad. I don't need Bioware to "clarify" things for me, I need an ending which is true to the genre. The reason I love the series is not for the game play but for the story and for the choices that Bioware gave me. They took those away by giving me a story full of gigantic plot holes and making my choices not matter.

I realize that I have invested a lot of time and emotions into this game. No ending will be perfect for me, nor really will it be for any fan. What Bioware gave us though was not even close. I will wait to make any final decisions until the DLC is released, but as of right now ME3 has no replay value for me. Unlike the previous two, which I've played through way too many times, I played ME3 once and cannot make myself play it again.

[AndroLeonidas]

It's really very funny in a way. It's the same five or six individuals defending the ending as they do in every thread like this that pops up, yet it's hundreds of different individuals, yes hundreds, who are complaining about the same thing. I think it's pretty safe to say that those of you who liked the ending, or see no problem with it, are in the vast minority and not the other way around. I respect your choice to like the ending as is, however, the vast majority of ME fans DO NOT agree with you.

I've seen people like me tell the OP of this thread and others like it that we respect you for your opinion and choice to be satisfied with the endings as they are, however, all we get in return is that we are brats; or being childish; are stupid; don't have lives; or any number of other names and statements that are demeaning. Who exactly are the Trolls here?

I will be the first one to admit there are a good number of Trolls in the Retake movement... but what you are doing is no different from them, just a different side. The vast majority of fans want the ending changed to reflect the time and effort we have put into this series since day one. The decisions and choices we made to be reflected in the ending. Just as Bioware promised us they would be. Decisions and choices that ultimately didn't matter worth spit at the end.

They can't fix this with extended cuts scenes and cinematics. It's just not possible no matter how much they wish it was. That is why people are still complaining... and this is why future sales of Bioware games are going to reflect the dissatisfaction by a huge fan base with the ending to their most popular series.

[JadedDragoon]

jacobdg wrote...

They're offering you DLC for FREE, to fix the endings. That's what we've all been asking for.

The entire time we wanted closure, and the plotholes to be fixed. And then when they offer us what we wan't, at the last second you say: "NVM WE WANT A COMPLETELY NEW ENDING!"

I personally find it pathetic, but thats just my opinion. Biowares atleast TRYING, right?

Thats easy... because the vast majority of the people complaining, in fact, had no issue with the ending. That vast majority that were complaining just wanted a cause (mob) to belong to... any cause... any cause at all. They wanted to belong to a group where they could stand shoulder to shoulder and vent their rage over god knows what at some one (in this case a company) that couldn't reach out and **** slap them into the next century for it.

And no... they are not even remotely aware they are doing it. Every last one of these people to whom I'm refering to (at least those who hadn't already heard about how aweful the ending supposedly is) beat the game and didnt have any issue with it... then they read something about it online and thought "yeah... that was tottal bs... how dare EA do that?!?!" without even for a second having the self awareness to realise what they are actually doing.

I know a half dozen of these people. I had conversations with them where we bragged about how awesome me3 was... the ending especially... then a couple days later they are talking about how aweful it was when I questioned one of them he straight up tells me he didn't realise how bad it was till he read this post online (which was my introduction to all the me3 ending hate) and it "opened his eyes." Yeah... right.

Now Bioware has taken that away from them... so they need to invent a new problem in an attempt to keep it going. And once again... no... they dont realise they are doing it. Sleep tight.

[shurikenmanta]

Korubrus wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

Because the fanbase has become unpleasable.

Even if the DLC completely rewrites the ending in the face of all the nerdrage, there'll be something else. Like maybe 'Retake ME3 Part II: Demand The Friend Zone Turian Finally Getting Some'.

At this rate, this will be the 'kids skating on the sidewalks' and 'Generation Y are Satan' equivalent in fifty years time.

Everyone who dislikes the ending loved the first 95% of the game.
To say we are all 'unpleasable' is unfair. When really the only part we are not happy with is the ending (Which everyone tends to agree makes little sence and creates more questions than it answers).

Almost everyone would have been 'ok' with sheps dieing, even most of your squad dieing. Its not that which is the issue, its purely that you get the same ending to which makes no logical sence.

As I've said a million times before. If you create a Sci-fi game you start off the series by creating the physics and laws of that universe, explaining technology of the time and give the fans some knowledge of what is and is not possible in the universe - And WHY.

ME2 had the task of explaining the Omega 4 relay for eg. And done a fantastic job to explain what made that relay different than others, and how to combat the fact no one had ever made it through.

ME3 in the last 5 minuits created a space-child to which was never explained who, what, where, how or why the child is in the citedel. You get lifted into an area that no one has ever been to, and BOOM a space child appears - who turns out to be the most important character in the series.
You get coloured lights flying and boom, Normandy on some random planet - unknown why it was leaving the battle and unknown how your ground crew got onboard.
Ofcourse plenty of other parts that raise questions.

Yes - the series hasn't been 'perfect' and there have been some other plot holes from ME1 and ME2. But they never flooded the storey like they did in ME3's ending. There was just too much to overlook, and the fact that it was such an important part of the storey - concluding the 3 previous games.

I get what you're saying (and I even agree with some of it), but let's just say time reviewing all the outrage leaves me very cynical about the chances of the demand/retake crew ever actually being happy with what they're given.

I hope I'm pleasantly surprised if Bioware do produce something better, but I have a feeling I won't be, especially with the kind of reinforcement Bioware will be giving the behaviour.

[shurikenmanta]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

It's really very funny in a way. It's the same five or six individuals defending the ending as they do in every thread like this that pops up, yet it's hundreds of different individuals, yes hundreds, who are complaining about the same thing. I think it's pretty safe to say that those of you who liked the ending, or see no problem with it, are in the vast minority and not the other way around. I respect your choice to like the ending as is, however, the vast majority of ME fans DO NOT agree with you.

With respect, being in the majority doesn't necessarily make you right. History's got a ton of examples where the majority were straight up wrong.

FTR, I didn't like the ending either, I'm more horrified at some of the more extreme lengths of anger towards it though.

[Mars8309]

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Mars8309 wrote...

jacobdg wrote...

They're offering you DLC for FREE, to fix the endings. That's what we've all been asking for.

The entire time we wanted closure, and the plotholes to be fixed. And then when they offer us what we wan't, at the last second you say: "NVM WE WANT A COMPLETELY NEW ENDING!"

I personally find it pathetic, but thats just my opinion. Biowares atleast TRYING, right?

No thats not what we been asking for.
ME1 into ME2 it all tied together.
in ME1 if you chose to kill the LAST racchi Queen...She appears in ME3?
in ME2 the dark energy talk from getting Tali to join Normandy and that federal agent woman meet in Norvia in ME1 seen in Illium in ME2 talking about going after the causes of dark energy on a dying sun...in ME3 cut out.
in ME2 in the beginning when shepard was being spaced by saving Joker He did in space and crash landing on the planet. at the end of ME2 if people got over 5000+ EMS getting the "perfect" ending Bioware saying that Shepard surived the re-entry to earth?
Heres another plot hole:
How do our allies return to there planets; defeat the Reapers; if can't get home the fastest way? Due to what happens to the Mass Relays.
How about the part where Shepard is talking to the space child without a breatherized helmet? Does that make sense?
Another plot hole:
If you managed to create peace between the Quarians and the Geth and of the 3 choices by going choice of "Destroy" to the way Tali stated it would take centuries to get the Quarians to get used to the planet again without the Geth's help...but Shepard would still live. the choices you have made from ME1-3 it doesn't matter at the end of ME3.

We do want closure; but we want closure that MAKES SENSE. The ending we got does not make any sense at all.
That is why people continue to complain about the ending as Bioware is not listening.
the Extanded Cut is a PR move as stated they are going keep the current ending. All through this board they say they are listening. But they aren't. If they were listening they be answering questions from the get-go. Instead over 2 weeks of silence, trashing gamers and fans, and to believe the Extanded Cut is going solve there problems.

If a game beginning to the end and the ending doesn't make sense...would you ask questions on the game forum to get answers? I would and many others feel the same.

How are they trashing you?  I mean the literally are going to put additions on their product and give it to you free of charge........I mean if they were such bad people and evil selfish corporation why would they make that much of a attempt?

Seriously you retakers have really lost sight of things.

Seriously your not looking at the bigger picture. Your ignoring the mistakes and plotholes in the game leading into the ending of confusion. From a great beginning of the game into a crappy ending of and extended cut into a crappy ending... Bioware is not addressing the plot holes in the game. I spent 80 bucks on a 3/4's of a great game. The 1/4 being the ending of confusion along with the questions and the plotholes...seems to be trashing the gamers.
To get closure the ending needs to make sense with all questions answered and no plotholes without leaving lingering questions.
Seriously if you can't get passed of "Free DLC" then there is no hope for you in understanding how many of the rest feel.

[AndroLeonidas]

JadedDragoon wrote...

jacobdg wrote...

They're offering you DLC for FREE, to fix the endings. That's what we've all been asking for.

The entire time we wanted closure, and the plotholes to be fixed. And then when they offer us what we wan't, at the last second you say: "NVM WE WANT A COMPLETELY NEW ENDING!"

I personally find it pathetic, but thats just my opinion. Biowares atleast TRYING, right?

Thats easy... because the vast majority of the people complaining, in fact, had no issue with the ending. That vast majority that were complaining just wanted a cause (mob) to belong to... any cause... any cause at all. They wanted to belong to a group where they could stand shoulder to shoulder and vent their rage over god knows what at some one (in this case a company) that couldn't reach out and **** slap them into the next century for it.

And no... they are not even remotely aware they are doing it. Every last one of these people to whom I'm refering to (at least those who hadn't already heard about how aweful the ending supposedly is) beat the game and didnt have any issue with it... then they read something about it online and thought "yeah... that was tottal bs... how dare EA do that?!?!" without even for a second having the self awareness to realise what they are actually doing.

I know a half dozen of these people. I had conversations with them where we bragged about how awesome me3 was... the ending especially... then a couple days later they are talking about how aweful it was when I questioned one of them he straight up tells me he didn't realise how bad it was till he read this post online (which was my introduction to all the me3 ending hate) and it "opened his eyes." Yeah... right.

Now Bioware has taken that away from them... so they need to invent a new problem in an attempt to keep it going. And once again... no... they dont realise they are doing it. Sleep tight.

Wow... no insult to you... but what a load of BS this is. This does not even come close to being accurate. Geez!

[JadedDragoon]

 AndroLeonidas wrote...

It's really very funny in a way. It's the same five or six individuals defending the ending as they do in every thread like this that pops up, yet it's hundreds of different individuals, yes hundreds, who are complaining about the same thing. I think it's pretty safe to say that those of you who liked the ending, or see no problem with it, are in the vast minority and not the other way around. I respect your choice to like the ending as is, however, the vast majority of ME fans DO NOT agree with you.

thats called an "Argumentum ad populum" or "appeal to the people" fallacy. As logical arguments go its right up there with "well the pope said so" (which would be an "appeal to authority" fallacy).

I've seen people like me tell the OP of this thread and others like it that we respect you for your opinion and choice to be satisfied with the endings as they are, however, all we get in return is that we are brats; or being childish; are stupid; don't have lives; or any number of other names and statements that are demeaning. Who exactly are the Trolls here?

 

You AND them most likely... part of the reason you don't see as many people defending is the kind of people that come on the internet to **** and moan about something are people with trollish tendancies. Thus... most of the people who have no issue with the ending are off... yes... having lives. Before you start, yes... I realise what i've said applies to myself as well. I'm pissed off about all the ****ing and moaning... So i'm ****ing and moaning about ****ing and moaning. The only thing keeping me from being an outright troll is that my arguements are well through out, supported by known fact, and not said with the intent of being insulting.

I will be the first one to admit there are a good number of Trolls in the Retake movement... but what you are doing is no different from them, just a different side. The vast majority of fans want the ending changed to reflect the time and effort we have put into this series since day one. The decisions and choices we made to be reflected in the ending. Just as Bioware promised us they would be. Decisions and choices that ultimately didn't matter worth spit at the end.

And what about the people who think it already does? Perhaps we should just go **** ourselves while you get Bioware to ruin an ending we already love? Never mind the delays in actual DLC that would be put into this defacement you are suggesting. I like the eanding as it is... and the it's not my opinion that not once have I seen a single complaint regarding the ME3 ending that holds water. Sorry... its not. I can prove it.  Opinions are things defy the very concept of proof.

Every single complaint I've seen is explained ether in the ending itself or the previous 3 games. There are no plot holes in the ending. Hell some of the complaints are about stuff that was never even said or shown and isn't in the ending at all. I could mention specifics but if you want that... make another thread. I won't derail this one.

They can't fix this with extended cuts scenes and cinematics. It's just not possible no matter how much they wish it was. That is why people are still complaining... and this is why future sales of Bioware games are going to reflect the dissatisfaction by a huge fan base with the ending to their most popular series.

Yes they can... cause the bottom line is that all the complaints boil down to people who didn't UNDERSTAND the ending. Extended cuts would clarify what people don't understand. This is not to say they are stupid. Its just to say they are average and Bioware assumed the average person was smarter than they actually are. Unfortuantly such people ARE arogant... so the likely hood of such admitting to being wrong even in the face of blinding proof is next to nil.

Modifié par JadedDragoon, 21 avril 2012 - 06:23 .

[AndroLeonidas]

shurikenmanta wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

It's really very funny in a way. It's the same five or six individuals defending the ending as they do in every thread like this that pops up, yet it's hundreds of different individuals, yes hundreds, who are complaining about the same thing. I think it's pretty safe to say that those of you who liked the ending, or see no problem with it, are in the vast minority and not the other way around. I respect your choice to like the ending as is, however, the vast majority of ME fans DO NOT agree with you.

With respect, being in the majority doesn't necessarily make you right. History's got a ton of examples where the majority were straight up wrong.

FTR, I didn't like the ending either, I'm more horrified at some of the more extreme lengths of anger towards it though.

I don't care for some of their antics either... but in this case... we are right. Discounting the loony bins who say some really stupid stuff... But if a handful of nut jobs is what you are comparing the majority of us too... how short sighted does that make you? 

[AndroLeonidas]

JadedDragoon wrote...

thats called an "Argumentum ad populum" or "appeal to the people" fallacy. As logical arguments go its right up there with "well the pope said so" (which would be an "appeal to authority" fallacy).

That does not apply in this case... I'm sorry.

You AND them most likely... part of the reason you don't see as many people defending is the kind of people that come on the internet to **** and moan about something are people with trollish tendancies. Thus... most of the people who have no issue with the ending are off... yes... having lives. Before you start, yes... I realise what i've said applies to myself as well. I'm pissed off about all the ****ing and moaning... So i'm ****ing and moaning about ****ing and moaning. The only thing keeping me from being an outright troll is that my arguements are well through out, supported by known fact, and not said with the intent of being insulting.

How exactly do you figure that? Your arguements are in no way supported by fact.

And what about the people who think it already does? Perhaps we should just go **** ourselves while you get Bioware to ruin an ending we already love? Never mind the delays in actual DLC that would be put into this defacement you are suggesting. I like the eanding as it is... and the it's not my opinion that not once have I seen a single complaint regarding the ME3 ending that holds water. Sorry... its not. I can prove it.  Opinions are things defy the very concept of proof.

You are welcome to your opinion... it is not shared by the majority of ME fans given the response on these very boards.

Every single complaint I've seen is explained ether in the ending itself or the previous 3 games. There are no plot holes in the ending. Hell some of the complaints are about stuff that was never even said or shown and isn't in the ending at all. I could mention specifics but if you want that... make another thread. I won't derail this one.

I'm sorry... that is just not true.

Yes they can... cause the bottom line is that all the complaints boil down to people who didn't UNDERSTAND the ending. Extended cuts would clarify what people don't understand. This is not to say they are stupid. Its just to say they are average and Bioware assumed the average person was smarter than they actually are. Unfortuantly such people ARE arogant... so the likely hood of such admitting to being wrong even in the face of blinding proof is next to nil.

See... now this is an arrogant statement to the extreme. Hence why your entire arguement... such as it is... holds no water.

Extended cuts can not explain why Joker ran as an example... it can not explain why the two individuals who went with me on the last mission suddenly end up on the Normandy, given how badly injured as I was when waking up on the Citadel. Or how Joker got them on the Normandy in the first place. That is not something you can explain away.

I'm not going to go into the details as to way so many think the endings are crap. You loved them... I'm am sincerely happy for you. As I stated... the vast majority did not... and calling us stupid because we supposedly can't understand an ending that is unexplainable is the epitome of arogance.
 

[shurikenmanta]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

It's really very funny in a way. It's the same five or six individuals defending the ending as they do in every thread like this that pops up, yet it's hundreds of different individuals, yes hundreds, who are complaining about the same thing. I think it's pretty safe to say that those of you who liked the ending, or see no problem with it, are in the vast minority and not the other way around. I respect your choice to like the ending as is, however, the vast majority of ME fans DO NOT agree with you.

With respect, being in the majority doesn't necessarily make you right. History's got a ton of examples where the majority were straight up wrong.

FTR, I didn't like the ending either, I'm more horrified at some of the more extreme lengths of anger towards it though.

I don't care for some of their antics either... but in this case... we are right. Discounting the loony bins who say some really stupid stuff... But if a handful of nut jobs is what you are comparing the majority of us too... how short sighted does that make you? 

Very, since like I said, I don't like the ending myself. It's about as shortsighted as comparing the people who liked the ending to the handful of trolls among them.

Fortunately for me, I didn't explicitly compare the majority of you to nutjobs.

[FlamingBoy]

because they still suck

[MrnDpty161]

Its an error to keep on this track concerning " Well your just too dumb to understand the ending... and therefore you are a peasant..."

This is the type of mentality that is getting world governments in trouble because they feel how they legislate from some aloof hill top, looking at the " bigger picture" --- and ultimately what ends up happening is the peasants begin to protest and rise....

Funny how the same reaction happens to this current situation huh? Really --- was this a good answer? To say @#$@#$ you, your stupid --- and then to appease those who otherwise ate the crumbs you were serving with map packs and points from the MP side of the house that you would somehow end the problem?

No sir. No mam. Your game is selling in the low 30's now I see to the 20's used. It took quite a while for ME2 to get there....ever ask your self how ME3 got there faster? Please.

If it weren't for the hype and the massive pre-orders that saved your bottom line, you'd be all huddled in the corporate war-room right now listing those who will get fired and how to fix the endings properly.

[Eterna]

So many people in this thread think they're experts on Bioware and what they do in their HQ. Hilarious.

[ZackG312]

not our fault the ending was bad

[AlexMBrennan]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

B/c some ppl have nothing better to do.

.....Like the TC, who made a topic complaining about complainers... <_<

Yeah, complaining about people complaining about complainers is a completely different matter entirely.

[Raizo]

Just out of curiousity how do you know the ME3 EC dlc will 'fix' ME3's ending. 'We' only have Bioware's word that it will but how many promises about ME3 have Bioware failed to deliver on. Why didn't they get it right in the first place? What if you were one of many who wanted a 'new' ending to ME3? What about those of us who don't play multi player and don't wnat anything to do with Bioware's stupid ME3 datapad app, how do we get the best ending when the whole entire system to getting the best ending is ****ed, how does ME3's dlc fix this issue.

The truth of the matter is we don't know anything about what we are getting until we have it and until then alot of us will continue to voice of concerns and issues with ME3 and ME3 crappy ending.