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[tractrpl]

The Reapers make a disturbingly effecient solution to the Fermi paradox. The Fermi paradox was positid by Henrico Fermi to his colleagues while on a lunch break while working on the Mahattan Project.  He came to the conclusion that it should take any spacefaring civilization at most a few million years to colonize the entire galaxy, even assuming ponderously slower than light travel. This is a blink of an eye in galactic time scales. Therefore, either advanced civilization don't exist, or something else might happen.

Several solutions to the Fermi paradox include:
1) The rarity of Earth. Either habitable worlds are very rare,we may be the only civilization
2) A star like the sun is unlikely to produce life, so most civilizations ingnore our star.  
3) It's rare for civilizations to survive past a certain technological level
4) Advanced civilizations evolve away from biological level, don't require habitable planets, and so ignore us
5) They have a non-intervention policy, note that this one is very implausible because if a civilization exists, the likelihood that some of its members decide to "break ranks" and make contact, for ill or for good, is overwhelming
6) There's only one advanced civilization in existence and it destroys all other civilizations it encounters.  This one is deemed probable by no one other than Stephen Hawking.

If number 6 is true, then basically we're all toast. The only way we could defeat such a civilization is through sheer luck, up to including their architect giving up and saying "I'm tired of winning all the time".  

Modifié par tractrpl, 20 avril 2012 - 04:15 .

[Billyg3453]

Asteroids and relativity are probably more likely.

[Commander Shepard the Grey Warden]

I'm changing my last name to Shepard and forcing my child into the military. We've gotta start breeding heroes!

[Cyne]

[tekkaman fear]

Lol, We need a few Capt. Sisko's, Picard's, and Kirk's!

[tractrpl]

Billyg3453 wrote...

Asteroids and relativity are probably more likely.

What? 

[shepdog77]

i believe #3 is the most viable out of these arguments. think of it as humans evolving to use 100% of their brain capacity instead of the 3% or however small it is now. and as for number 6, hawking may be smart, but his theories on aliens sound more science fictiony than the damn reapers themselves

[Red Dust]

Cyne wrote...

[tractrpl]

shepdog77 wrote...

i believe #3 is the most viable out of these arguments. think of it as humans evolving to use 100% of their brain capacity instead of the 3% or however small it is now. and as for number 6, hawking may be smart, but his theories on aliens sound more science fictiony than the damn reapers themselves

That 3% number is a complete myth. We use almost all of our brain capacity. Also, "Such and such may be smart", well he's certainly smarter than you, so it would be best for you to shut up and listen.

[Doctoglethorpe]

I like to float the idea in my head that out there in the galaxy there is an advanced space faring interspecies society.  A society I'll not live to see, but them be a lot of stars up there so the odds ain't all that bad its true. 

[Illusive]

So the only reason humanity hasn't been destroyed is because they haven't found us yet?

[Lancane]

The real Reapers are little grey-skinned ******** who like to stick probes where they don't belong!

Okay, in all seriousness the likelihood that humans are the only sentient species in the universe is laughable, the problem is that we're not a spacefaring species. We could be, but our decline as a species could be linked with our pomposity as a society and religious zealotry instead of focusing on the advancement of our race, we're too petty. If we were to meet a new sentient species they would likely wipe us out simply because of our barbaric natures and unethical philosophical views. So to us, an alien race would likely be similar to the Reapers but only because what we've done ourselves or failed to do in regards to our own advancement.

[Malanek]

An interesting topic given the age of the universe. I think 5 is not implausible at all. By the stage any civilisation reaches the level of advancement necessary, they are much less likely to be douchebags. 4 is quite plausible as well.

But just consider the fact that the galaxy is really, really big, the chances of intelligent life evolving are really, really small, and intersteller travel is really, really hard. I think it will be millennia before we establish a colony in another system unless there is some break through in physics that we don't currently understand.

Modifié par Malanek999, 20 avril 2012 - 04:20 .

[Piousp]

shepdog77 wrote...

i believe #3 is the most viable out of these arguments. think of it as humans evolving to use 100% of their brain capacity instead of the 3% or however small it is now...

Since WHEN biology, evolution. genetics and natural selection works like that? Do you know what happens to body parts we don't use? So yeah, let's have a big chunk of useless mass that consumes 20% of total energy doing nothing.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

just suppose for a second that my IQ, is 45 points higher than Stephen Hawkings', uh how is it that I find the ending ridiculous?

[tractrpl]

Kings19 wrote...

So the only reason humanity hasn't been destroyed is because they haven't found us yet?

Or they haven't taken notice of us yet.

[liggy002]

How about option 7? The Universe is infinite in size.

[Red Dust]

An interesting topic given the age of the universe. I think 5 is not implausible at all. By the stage any civilisation reaches the level of advancement necessary, they are much less likely to be douchebags.

What on earth would lead you to this conclusion?

[tractrpl]

ohupthis wrote...

just suppose for a second that my IQ, is 45 points higher than Stephen Hawkings', uh how is it that I find the ending ridiculous?

We're not debating the ending here. Certainly starbrat is off the chain with his logic. However, an off the chain leader of a species as advanced as the Reapers are intending to wipe us out is probably the only way we're likely to survive such an event.

[Malanek]

Red Dust wrote...

An interesting topic given the age of the universe. I think 5 is not implausible at all. By the stage any civilisation reaches the level of advancement necessary, they are much less likely to be douchebags.

What on earth would lead you to this conclusion?

Because I optimistically believe that evolution, including humanitys, will ultimately lead to people working together more without the need or want to break laws that have been established for good reason. 

[tractrpl]

liggy002 wrote...

How about option 7? The Universe is infinite in size.

So what if it is? We're only talking about life in the galaxy, though, and the galaxy is certainly NOT infinite in size.

[Red Dust]

Malanek999 wrote...

Red Dust wrote...

An interesting topic given the age of the universe. I think 5 is not implausible at all. By the stage any civilisation reaches the level of advancement necessary, they are much less likely to be douchebags.

What on earth would lead you to this conclusion?

Because I optimistically believe that evolution, including humanitys, will ultimately lead to people working together more without the need or want to break laws that have been established for good reason. 

That's funny. You're funny. You just keep on keep'n on.

[TheBlackRose]

The Reapers do exist. I've seen them.

Their leader dropped out of the presidential primary race like a week ago.

[shepdog77]

tractrpl wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

i believe #3 is the most viable out of these arguments. think of it as humans evolving to use 100% of their brain capacity instead of the 3% or however small it is now. and as for number 6, hawking may be smart, but his theories on aliens sound more science fictiony than the damn reapers themselves

That 3% number is a complete myth. We use almost all of our brain capacity. Also, "Such and such may be smart", well he's certainly smarter than you, so it would be best for you to shut up and listen.

settle down bud, it was an analogy.  and i watched hawking's show on aliens a few years back and all it boiled down to was him pitching science fiction ideas that any SF writer could have come up with.  he'd also have us not try to make contact with aliens out of fear they'll conquer us?  i'm more scared of our own "leaders" causing our destruction then some guddamn aliens

[Malanek]

An interesting hypothesis you can draw from ME would be analogous to the mass relay system. If there was a galactic community out there, who could move around millions of star systems easily, what is the attraction of developing technology to go somewhere that is really really difficult to get to? We might just be further away than is convenient.