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[legionaireshen]

number 3 is basically what me3 ending is about, when civilizaiton develop synthesis life, they doom themselves

while me1 and me2 are more about number 6

[tractrpl]

shepdog77 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

i believe #3 is the most viable out of these arguments. think of it as humans evolving to use 100% of their brain capacity instead of the 3% or however small it is now. and as for number 6, hawking may be smart, but his theories on aliens sound more science fictiony than the damn reapers themselves

That 3% number is a complete myth. We use almost all of our brain capacity. Also, "Such and such may be smart", well he's certainly smarter than you, so it would be best for you to shut up and listen.

settle down bud, it was an analogy.  and i watched hawking's show on aliens a few years back and all it boiled down to was him pitching science fiction ideas that any SF writer could have come up with.  he'd also have us not try to make contact with aliens out of fear they'll conquer us?  i'm more scared of our own "leaders" causing our destruction then some guddamn aliens

Except he uses science, mathematics, and our own human nature to make those conclusions. He starts off speculating how advanced civilizations evolve and given how they evolve, how they might behave. He concludes that humans are only typical of how an advanced civilization might evolve, and given our own behavior, that does not bode well for us when we encounter another civilization more advanced than we.

Edit: basically you saying your more concerned about our "leaders" causing our own destruction only adds weight to Hawking's arguments. If we do advance despite our leaders, then who we encounter is likely to be just like us @sshole humans only with better guns.

Modifié par tractrpl, 20 avril 2012 - 04:31 .

[Malanek]

Also consider the speed of light and how long it has been since we have been sending signals out to identify ourselves. When we see other stars, the state we see some of them in is looking at what they were hundreds to millions of years ago. If an advanced civilisation was scanning the galaxy for life, we haven't been sending the right signals anywhere near long enough to identify ourselves.

[eddieoctane]

It's Enrico Fermi. No "H". Don't go disrespecting my Italian brother by getting his name wrong. (j/k...or am I? Muhahahaha)

As far as #6 goes, that's only one possible explanation. And other civilizations thinking the exact same thing might be precluding anyone from attempting first contact.

[troyk2027]

shepdog77 wrote...

 evolving to use 100% of their brain capacity instead of the 3% or however small it is now

All of my rage!

This stupid myth need to die.

We use virtually every part of the brain, most of it is active at any given time.

[ashwind]

There is a old Chinese saying, Long periods of unification leads to separation. Long periods of separation leads to unification.

When a civilization becomes so advance that they cannot find anything immediate to fight, they turn to themselves; like the Krogan. When they nuke themselves back to the stone age, they unify and rebuild. Hence, they cant conquer the galaxy because if they are anything like humans, we would be at war among ourselves long before we can finish our conquest.

So I too am incline to believe #3

It is nearly impossible for a civilization to survive pass a certain level of technology. We become too dependent that maybe in the future a software error could mean apocalypse. That is if we do not blow ourselves away first.

Now, if my above argument seems too "human" and aliens would think differently, then to try to understand why aliens do not kill us all would be pointless because humans dunno how to play nice =P

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

We cannot anthropomorphize possible alien life. They may have different value systems than ours, and may be less warlike, thus making it more possible for them to become more advanced. They may also realize the dangers of technological singularity and take safeguards against it.

They may also be more aggressive and more warlike.

Apparently there is no potentially habitable world within 10 LY of earth.

FTL travel we must assume is going to be impossible. There are other possible methods depending upon which version of quantum mechanics and string theory one adheres to. Wormholes? that's about the only way interstellar travel is going to be possible. So how does one create a wormhole and fold space? Tech we have no idea about yet. This is the way I've thought the mass relays worked.

But is the multiverse version of Quantum Mechanics correct? That one I find quite disturbing. Infinite copies of me with infinite versions and infinite personalities all existing at the same time. This means some are very very good, and others I don't even want to know have the possibility of existing. Same goes for everyone and everything.

[TheBlackRose]

troyk2027 wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

 evolving to use 100% of their brain capacity instead of the 3% or however small it is now

All of my rage!

This stupid myth need to die.

We use virtually every part of the brain, most of it is active at any given time.

Even the people on Jersey Shore?

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[troyk2027]

TheBlackRose wrote...

troyk2027 wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

 evolving to use 100% of their brain capacity instead of the 3% or however small it is now

All of my rage!

This stupid myth need to die.

We use virtually every part of the brain, most of it is active at any given time.

Even the people on Jersey Shore?

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The 100% that they use is certainly less potent, but yes. They're using all they've got.

[A0170]

Bump for an interesting read/theory. I'd shudder to think what would happen if you were actually right though.

[HellishFiend]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

FTL travel we must assume is going to be impossible.

People used to say the same thing about flight, and a dozen other things we currently take for granted today. You dont have to change the laws of physics, just discover new ones you dont know yet. 

[Aren19]

Someone contact NASA! We CANNOT master space travel! If the Reapers really are real, hopefully we'll all be dead before they come.

[Red Dust]

HellishFiend wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

FTL travel we must assume is going to be impossible.

People used to say the same thing about flight, and a dozen other things we currently take for granted today. You dont have to change the laws of physics, just discover new ones you dont know yet. 

I still say flight is impossible. 

[Zolt51]

Kings19 wrote...

So the only reason humanity hasn't been destroyed is because they haven't found us yet?

Essentially, yes. Such a cheerful thought.

[humes spork]

The Fermi paradox is an interesting thought experiment, but hardly a damning argument in favor of the inexistence of extraterrestial life. Yeah yeah can't prove a negative and that's poorly worded, but I'm working on my third double scotch for the evening so I'll take the conceit of a poorly-worded sentence just this once.

The thing is, let's assume there is another civilized species out there relatively near us. Hell, for the sake of argument let's go with Gliese 581c. Gliese 581 is 20.3 light years away from us, which means they would have been receiving radio broadcast from Earth for right around 90 years using the Marconi trans-Atlantic broadcast as a baseline here. If they responded immediately, which is a huge if all things considered, we would have received that response 70 years ago.

Radioastronomy didn't take off as a field until the post-WWII years, meaning that we could have very well received a response and not even been able to hear it. If we didn't hear it, we'd have no way of knowing our message had been received and gotten a response, and from that had no way to respond ourselves. So, why chance repeated attempts to establish contact, especially with a species that if you listened to ongoing radio broadcasts and managed to translate it loves the **** out of them some warfare (remember, WWII was truly the birth of widescale radio transmission in power levels sufficient to enter space).

Which, that in itself is a big potential key here. Our hello to the universe is two world wars. Carl Sagan wasn't ****in' round when he quipped that our ambassador to the universe was none other than Adolf Hitler. If you were a member of our hypothetical Gliesan race, and assuming our Gliesans aren't some advanced and ultra warlike race and the "fix" hasn't been on its way for a few decades, would you want your race contacting us knowing what we do to ourselves, let alone other sapient species?

That's a best-case scenario, considering signal degradation and red shift between here and our "next door neighbor" in terms of having planets in habitable zones would be pretty bad. There's no guarantee our hypothetical friends at Gliese 581c would even be able to distinguish it from CMB or white noise, or the signal hadn't been drowned out by whatever astronomical phenomenon happened to be interfering at the time. Our radiotelescopy is relatively sensitive, but only in the last few decades has it been so.

Which is the next point. How would we really know if something we've received is an attempt at contact from an alien species? We stay on the lookout for anomalous radio signals from space sure -- and by god we've actually received a few -- but would an alien race use the frequencies we monitor, except for the attempt to respond to contact from us? Would it even be something we could comprehend as an attempt to make contact?

I think I've made my point, so I'll shut up now.

Modifié par humes spork, 20 avril 2012 - 05:21 .

[troyk2027]

Aren19 wrote...

Someone contact NASA! We CANNOT master space travel! If the Reapers really are real, hopefully we'll all be dead before they come.

Don't worry, NASA's budget is like $8,  we won't master space travel anytime soon.



At best we'll have private companies taking millionaires into the upper atmosphere for thousands of dollars.

Modifié par troyk2027, 20 avril 2012 - 05:17 .

[MystEU]

The Reapers are EA's tools to silence ending complainers. Didn't you get the memo?

[Iconoclaste]

If we are the most advanced species around, then we have the answer. If some other species is receiving our broadcasts, then they know they are not alone. How would we react if we were in this situation? How could we establish the origin of the broadcast being deliberate, or didn't lose integrity on the way here? Maybe other species have evolved enough to know that making contact with another similar species is mostly useless, unless this species is much more advanced and willing to help? Why would they help, anyway? How would the discovery of other sentient life on a remote planet benefit us? Why would any advanced species travel far from their homeworld to meet with us? Is it sound to spoil vasts amounst of resources to get space mining on the go? If Reapers exist and are waiting for us to make a bad move towards interstellar travel, or just didn't find us yet, why wait to have a confirmation of their existence to hide underground? Do they receive Discovery Channel? Is there a point to leave Earth for a hostile environment like space? Is there love in space?

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 20 avril 2012 - 05:41 .

[Delta9819]

Zolt51 wrote...

Kings19 wrote...

So the only reason humanity hasn't been destroyed is because they haven't found us yet?

Essentially, yes. Such a cheerful thought.

Or they just haven't gotten here yet.

Modifié par Delta9819, 20 avril 2012 - 05:41 .

[Oxtail Soup]

Iconoclaste wrote...

If we are the most advanced species around, then we have the answer. If some other species is receiving our broadcasts, then they know they are not alone. How would we react if we were in this situation? How could we establish the origin of the broadcast being deliberate, or didn't lose integrity on the way here? Maybe other species have evolved enough to know that making contact with another similar species is mostly useless, unless this species is much more advanced and willing to help? Why would they help, anyway? How would the discovery of other sentient life on a remote planet benefit us? Why would any advanced species travel far from their homeworld to meet with us? Is it sound to spoil vasts amounst of resources to get space mining on the go? If Reapers exist and are waiting for us to make a bad move towards interstellar travel, or just didn't find us yet, why wait to have a confirmation of their existence to hide underground? Do they receive Discovery Channel? Is there a point to leave Earth for a hostile environment like space? Is there love in space?

They may share a sense of adventure and wish to explore. If they lack that, then they lack a survival skill.
 Living things confined in one niche usually die when the niche is altered dramatically by an environmental cataclysm.
Without tackling space, we are dead when the next big meteor hits. Additionally, there is love in space if you take someone with you... and not everyone spends their day craving it, anyway.

[ZackG312]

Dont you people get it we are alone in this universe

[Dynelven]

shepdog77 wrote...

i believe #3 is the most viable out of these arguments. think of it as humans evolving to use 100% of their brain capacity instead of the 3% or however small it is now. and as for number 6, hawking may be smart, but his theories on aliens sound more science fictiony than the damn reapers themselves

That's something that has been prove untrue over and over again. Do a quick search on your favorite search engine. Not only do we not use all of brain (in terms of what it is physically) we also use all we currently know of it neurologically. Intelligence grows and grows, we don't know it's bounds, so it would be impossible to quantify what perctange of it we actually "use" if that is what you intend to mean.

[Warp92]

Some scientists say that even if life existed one in a billion stars there are 100 billion stars and 100 billion galaxies .. So thats like what..? 10 trillion stars with habitable planets

[ctanctan]

[quote]Cyne wrote...


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LOL BIO REAPER!!!!!!!!

[I am KROGAN]

The universe is simply too big for advanced life to not exist, in my opinion. However, while the Milky Way may be large, it is but a minuscule dot in the whole universe, we may be the only advanced species in our galaxy or galaxy cluster even. I'd think that any advanced species not in our galaxy would be going well out of their way to come here.

Space is a bug mother****ing place, you can't rule anything out.