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[Wintermaulz]

tractrpl wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

i believe #3 is the most viable out of these arguments. think of it as humans evolving to use 100% of their brain capacity instead of the 3% or however small it is now. and as for number 6, hawking may be smart, but his theories on aliens sound more science fictiony than the damn reapers themselves

That 3% number is a complete myth. We use almost all of our brain capacity. Also, "Such and such may be smart", well he's certainly smarter than you, so it would be best for you to shut up and listen.

No, at any given moment, we only use around 3% of our brain. While it is true we might use near 100% of our brain throughout the day, if we were to use that much at any given moment, we would seizure/stroke.

[Pottumuusi]

In real life, there is this thing called science...

[guacamayus]

Red Dust wrote...

Cyne wrote...

OMG THEY ARE HERE!!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!

[guacamayus]

tractrpl wrote...

The Reapers make a disturbingly effecient solution to the Fermi paradox. The Fermi paradox was positid by Henrico Fermi to his colleagues while on a lunch break while working on the Mahattan Project.  He came to the conclusion that it should take any spacefaring civilization at most a few million years to colonize the entire galaxy, even assuming ponderously slower than light travel. This is a blink of an eye in galactic time scales. Therefore, either advanced civilization don't exist, or something else might happen.

Several solutions to the Fermi paradox include:
1) The rarity of Earth. Either habitable worlds are very rare,we may be the only civilization
2) A star like the sun is unlikely to produce life, so most civilizations ingnore our star.  
3) It's rare for civilizations to survive past a certain technological level
4) Advanced civilizations evolve away from biological level, don't require habitable planets, and so ignore us
5) They have a non-intervention policy, note that this one is very implausible because if a civilization exists, the likelihood that some of its members decide to "break ranks" and make contact, for ill or for good, is overwhelming
6) There's only one advanced civilization in existence and it destroys all other civilizations it encounters.  This one is deemed probable by no one other than Stephen Hawking.

If number 6 is true, then basically we're all toast. The only way we could defeat such a civilization is through sheer luck, up to including their architect giving up and saying "I'm tired of winning all the time".  

There's another possibility, maybe the phisiology of  such alien race can't be percieved by humans; maybe we percieve time in a different way, who knows... lots of speculation xD

I mean, we know time behaves differently depending on several factors. We know of organisms that live in the depths of the seas and their bodies don't require oxygen to survive. There are others that can resist 10000 times the radiation a human can take... life is wierd and unexpected, we know very little about the universe at this point, I'd say we got many possiblities in front of us and many of them can't be disproved with what we know at the moment.

Modifié par guacamayus, 20 avril 2012 - 06:57 .

[crustywaffle]

shepdog77 wrote...

i believe #3 is the most viable out of these arguments. think of it as humans evolving to use 100% of their brain capacity instead of the 3% or however small it is now. and as for number 6, hawking may be smart, but his theories on aliens sound more science fictiony than the damn reapers themselves

except we use all of our brain capacity already

[Bill Casey]

A few things to point out...

- Our world population growth is diminishing. At current projections, it should level off at around 9 Billion
- Our global food supply/production is increasing
- Compared to human history, humanity is slowly becoming more and more tolerant and understanding of other cultures. This is no small part due to an information explosion.
- Nasa has stopped sending people into space

Perhaps in the future, trying to colonize other worlds an absurd distance away will be seen as a completely unnecessary waste of time, money and energy. The sheer amount of fuel required alone is... well, it's astronomical...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 avril 2012 - 07:32 .

[Whereto]

Why would u want to colonize the whole galaxy? What a waste of resources. You could just colonize the immediate solar systems and get a higher yield of resources etc. I would also be betting on the fact, if a race is advanced enough to travel star systems, they would be able to terraform planets. It's a huge risk to send people all over the place when you can just terraform a close planet.

[count_4]

tractrpl wrote...
Also, "Such and such may be smart", well he's certainly smarter than you, so it would be best for you to shut up and listen.

You just disqualified yourself from any discussion.

[B3ckett]

You've made an obviously wrong assumption that we use just a small part of our brain. We simply don't know yet what every part of it does. But one thing is sure - we don't use just a small part of it. Nope. We are currently using almost everyting, as science states. We're almost at our limit. What we need is another mutation. Humans of today are at the peak of their cycle. not the pinnacle evolution, just our own species'.

But regarding the post - it's plausible. We live in the outskirts of the known Universe. We habitate a very small system with a mediocre star. We're just space plankton.

If using ME's logic: we would be ignored by the Reapers in terms not of the Galaxy, but of the Universe.
The UFO's might be some kind of watchers keeping their race up to date about our progress. As of now, we pose completely no threat to nobody. We can't leave our system. Heck, we can't get to the nearest planet yet. So there's nothing to be scared of.
and probably they say: hey - it's a great reality show. they're slowly killing themselves. It can be very educating for us to watch them do that.

Because of the vast size of the Universe, such race as the Reapers (in terms of annihilating/conquering) will have to spend tens of thousand of years to come here and make a fuss over a space plankton like the humans.

You don't send a nuclear bomb to kill a few ants. I think that's how we are being viewed by the advanced ones. "They're still young and foolish. And weak."

Modifié par B3ckett, 20 avril 2012 - 08:02 .

[troyk2027]

Wintermaulz wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

i believe #3 is the most viable out of these arguments. think of it as humans evolving to use 100% of their brain capacity instead of the 3% or however small it is now. and as for number 6, hawking may be smart, but his theories on aliens sound more science fictiony than the damn reapers themselves

That 3% number is a complete myth. We use almost all of our brain capacity. Also, "Such and such may be smart", well he's certainly smarter than you, so it would be best for you to shut up and listen.

No, at any given moment, we only use around 3% of our brain. While it is true we might use near 100% of our brain throughout the day, if we were to use that much at any given moment, we would seizure/stroke.

Absolute nonsense.

Even while asleep, every part of the brain shows some level of activity. It's been shown in both PET and fMRI scans.

Modifié par troyk2027, 20 avril 2012 - 08:04 .

[Ghost Down]

Lancane wrote...

The real Reapers are little grey-skinned ******** who like to stick probes where they don't belong!

Okay, in all seriousness the likelihood that humans are the only sentient species in the universe is laughable, the problem is that we're not a spacefaring species. We could be, but our decline as a species could be linked with our pomposity as a society and religious zealotry instead of focusing on the advancement of our race, we're too petty. If we were to meet a new sentient species they would likely wipe us out simply because of our barbaric natures and unethical philosophical views. So to us, an alien race would likely be similar to the Reapers but only because what we've done ourselves or failed to do in regards to our own advancement.

Yeah, we're like the Krogan or Yahg. Very violent and always waging wars.

[The Protheans]

Humans are stupid

[stcalvin13]

tractrpl wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...

Asteroids and relativity are probably more likely.

What? 

Apparently asteriods don't exist.  Who knew?

[ioannisdenton]

Red Dust wrote...

Cyne wrote...

awesome!

[stcalvin13]

tractrpl wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

i believe #3 is the most viable out of these arguments. think of it as humans evolving to use 100% of their brain capacity instead of the 3% or however small it is now. and as for number 6, hawking may be smart, but his theories on aliens sound more science fictiony than the damn reapers themselves

That 3% number is a complete myth. We use almost all of our brain capacity. Also, "Such and such may be smart", well he's certainly smarter than you, so it would be best for you to shut up and listen.

How smart Hawking is is irrelevant here.  His opinion is quite important in physics (though not nearly as important as one might think--he's not the best living physicist by a long shot), but not nearly so important when it comes to economics, or history, or art, or law.  The real issue is how qualified is he on this subject.  The answer: we're all basically in the boat.  Lots of specualtion for everyone!

[CombustiblePanda]

inb4 Reaper Invasion.

We are screwed.

[Federally]

I would say since our Milky Way is 120,000 light years across at the widest point its entirely possible half of the galaxy is dominated by a galactic empire, just not the half we are in. This paradox really isn't much of a paradox because you can think your way out of it.

Side note, what's with all the negativity on humanity? If you stop watching the news and actually do some research you would find out we are progressing quite well. This is actually a relatively peaceful time in human history. While there are plenty of places on Earth that suck to be in on the macro scale humanity is much more civil and peaceful then it has been in even recent history. Things really are trending upward so I just don't get the pessimism.

[Bill Casey]

I would point out that Stephen Hawking is an expert in black holes, and even he is wrong sometimes...

- In the seventies, Hawking bet Thorne that Cygnus X-1 wouldn't turn out to be a black hole
- More recently, Preskill bet Hawking and Thorne that a naked singularity in a black hole didn't exist

Hawking lost both of those wagers...
Being smart and being correct are two different things...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 avril 2012 - 08:42 .

[Made Nightwing]

I think Douglas Adams was correct. There's a vast intergalactic culture out there, humanity is just shunned because we play cricket.

[Adugan]

tractrpl wrote...

The Reapers make a disturbingly effecient solution to the Fermi paradox. The Fermi paradox was positid by Henrico Fermi to his colleagues while on a lunch break while working on the Mahattan Project.  He came to the conclusion that it should take any spacefaring civilization at most a few million years to colonize the entire galaxy, even assuming ponderously slower than light travel. This is a blink of an eye in galactic time scales. Therefore, either advanced civilization don't exist, or something else might happen.

Several solutions to the Fermi paradox include:
1) The rarity of Earth. Either habitable worlds are very rare,we may be the only civilization
2) A star like the sun is unlikely to produce life, so most civilizations ingnore our star.  
3) It's rare for civilizations to survive past a certain technological level
4) Advanced civilizations evolve away from biological level, don't require habitable planets, and so ignore us
5) They have a non-intervention policy, note that this one is very implausible because if a civilization exists, the likelihood that some of its members decide to "break ranks" and make contact, for ill or for good, is overwhelming
6) There's only one advanced civilization in existence and it destroys all other civilizations it encounters.  This one is deemed probable by no one other than Stephen Hawking.

If number 6 is true, then basically we're all toast. The only way we could defeat such a civilization is through sheer luck, up to including their architect giving up and saying "I'm tired of winning all the time".  

Lol OP, where did you get these 1-6 points? 

1. Rare is a matter of opinion. Millions of worlds is rare compared to billions in the galaxy in total.
2. Lolwat?
3. Depends on what you base that on. All we have to go on is human nature, and aliens may be too alien to comprehend, and their motivations may be different. Their technology may be different too. All their machinery may be organic for all we know.
4. Says who?
5. Again, aliens may have different motivations. You are basing this completely on human nature.
6. Probable, sure. Just like it is probable that this entire universe is a figment of someone's or something's imagination. 

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Bill Casey wrote...

A few things to point out...

- Our world population growth is diminishing. At current projections, it should level off at around 9 Billion
- Our global food supply/production is increasing
- Compared to human history, humanity is slowly becoming more and more tolerant and understanding of other cultures. This is no small part due to an information explosion.
- Nasa has stopped sending people into space

Perhaps in the future, trying to colonize other worlds an absurd distance away will be seen as a completely unnecessary waste of time, money and energy. The sheer amount of fuel required alone is... well, it's astronomical...

Not that I don't believe you on three of your four given facts but can you post a link to the first three if you can?

[Calamity]

Legionaire-Shen wrote...

number 3 is basically what me3 ending is about, when civilizaiton develop synthesis life, they doom themselves

while me1 and me2 are more about number 6

http://www.scienceda...20418162300.htm 

^ This actually worried me ^

[Conquerthecity]

 UFOs are obviously Salarian ships that make sparse contact so they don't outright break the Council's non-interactive policy. During an abduction (for science!) of Casey Hudson, they implanted false memories and made it so he thought he had a semi-original and fictitious idea for a science-fiction game. However, the ending is the memory implantation going wrong, which the Salarians didn't quite expect. 

But nah, I'd be exterminated happily if six were true. 

Modifié par Mungolian_, 20 avril 2012 - 09:14 .