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[Lancane]

mrbthq wrote...

magnetite wrote...

That guy who went to the FTC took matters into his own hands. I'd say he was pretty outraged.

Even the better business bureau said bioware misled consumers.

I thought that was funny, it may not bother them...after all EA has been voted the worst company in America among other things, but when the BBB states you ****** over customers, and their bureaucratic by nature to begin with - that should be a reality check. 

[Federally]

@Kingscawt

Can't quote on my phone but ill answer your question. I'm not 'scowering' the BSN. I simply have a lot of time to dick around on forums while I'm at work and I have a habit of getting hooked on particular forums for a while before finding a new one. 2 months ago it was URC and RCCrawler, today its BSN and the forum at the Dark Souls Wiki. Since cruising the forums doesn't involve paying anymore money to EA/BW I'll keep doing it till I stop lol.

[Slayer299]

kingscawt wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

I don't hate the endings with a burning rage, I despise them, the idiotic logic and nonsense we are forced to endure and my friend who defeated ME3 last week asked me right after 'if the Bioware writers were all on drugs or if they had just gone prematurely stupid."

Well, nonsensical situations shouldn't really be that surprising in a fantasy enviroment. As far as "idiotic logic" goes I can't really toss my hat into that ring, sure there's a lot of good ole fashioned BS going on when one first encounters the last thirtyish minutes of the game but in reality there were, despite our naysayings, the way the writers wanting things to be and I'm sure the endings make perfect sense and are logical to them. I'm just hoping I'm missing something as far as underlaying meanings, being a big Silent Hill fan I've relished the hope for hidden meanings or perhaps some kind of symbolisim I missed that would open my eyes to the writers visions and intentions.

In some games, sure. But for the most part the series has been pretty consistent, at least until the last and then the wheels come off and you're supposed to start holding the magic idiot 8-ball and accept it.

The problem with that is that even if the endings "made perfect sense and are logical to them." they do not make any (or the same) sense to the player and *that* is a failure on their part. We're not supposed to have to read into symbolism or underlying meanings or tea-leaves to understand the endings.

[kingscawt]

TODD9999 wrote...

My apologies, but you did say "I was never in a massive blood rage to a point where I would have demanded the company change thier ending until I'm pleased with it.". I felt like that statement made it pretty clear your opinion of the emotional state of those who would like to see the ending changed.

Ah, I see your point. I didn't mean to come across in that way, I was more speaking of the people who do the whole "I hate BW and EA, don't buy anymore of thier products, contact the BBB and FTC, send them cupcakes" song and dance.

What, exactly, is your question, then? Are people as angry as their posts lead you to believe? Personally, as I stated previously, I find most posts to be quite controlled. Passionate, yes, bitter and vitriolic at times, but not just ranting and "blood raging" on the forums.

And for the record, I've been a very frequent visitor to these forums ever since I beat ME3, alt-tabbed out of the credits (with due apologies to Faunts) and rushed to the forums to figure out what I did wrong to see that awful finale. I won't claim to know the innermost thoughts of every poster, but I've seen enough to feel like I have a reasonable grasp of the overall tone of the forum, and I disagree with your assessment. Perhaps we are looking at different threads, but even if we have zero overlap, that in itself is an indicator that at least a goodly portion of the community is the way I see it, even if another portion is the way you seem to see it.

I understand what you're saying and offer this, open up the "News and Annoucements" or Multiplayer (the only ones I really scower through) section for that matter and grab any random thread, the over all negativty and plain, well, childishness in my opinion in a majority of the comments is mind boggling at times. I'm not saying everyone is like this, there's plenty of positive/civil minded posters. 

[kingscawt]

mrbthq wrote...

kingscawt wrote...

Evil_Nerjuna wrote...

kingscawt wrote...

There's also the opposite end of the spectrum - people who are very vocal about absolutely loving the endings and defending them tooth and nail, I often times find myself wondering if they're just saying that for the sake of being different or if they genuinely feel like it was a satisfactory conclusion because I know from experience the "I like/don't like what you hate/love neenerneenerbooboo" argument is a common one.

Due to the nature of the internet, many people felt more free to 'express' their opinions than they would in real life. (eg: more repercusions if they lost their marbles and begain to insult verbally in real life than online.)

Hence you can see why some people act a little extreme about their opinions, on both the anti-enders and the pro-enders.

Well said Nerjuna. I agree completely. I just find myself flustered with negativity at times while reading over these forums in particular, being a generally positive person and loving this game/triolgy as much as I do and such. I don't know what I expected when writing this post, probably a "vent" of my own, but I'm pleased with the civil and generally collected thoughts so far. 

If there wasn't any negativity we wouldn't be getting an extended cut.

Well I think it's a bit far fetched to say we wouldn't be getting one, I'm almost certian there was some type of rushing or last minute change maybe even for DLC sakes as much as I hate to say it, I'm sure there would have been some sort of explanation. And negativity is very well earned by the endings and everyone who's a paying customer like you and I have a right to complain but there comes a point where you're just ranting and reduced to finger pointing and wild accusations.

Modifié par kingscawt, 20 avril 2012 - 07:39 .

[Erield]

kingscawt wrote...

Every person I've spoken to from RL friends to even in a MP lobby have generally said the same thing when the endings are casually brought up in conversation "I didn't hate it as much as everyone else seems to."

People on the forums seem to want to blow **** up over how terrible the endings are.  The fact that you think the endings are just dismally bad that delegitimize literally everything that came before them would still fit in with what you are actually saying, instead of what you are implying.

Not hating something "as much" does not, in any way, shape or form, mean that you do not hate something.  Furthermore, most rational people will present a more rational response to a person directly (even if it is via MP lobby right before you're about to try and work together to eliminate a threat) than going into an hour-long diatribe about exactly how terrible you found the endings. 

That said, I have yet to talk to anyone in person or over MP lobby who expressed a positive opinion of the last 10-15 minutes (Star Child) of the game.

[ardensia]

Out of the people I know who have finished ME3, two were meh about it and one felt genuinely slapped in the face. It was interesting to talk to the one who felt slapped. He ran with IT, and while he and I had a pretty civil discussion regarding the end, it was clear he was about two steps from nerdraging about it... especially since this discussion took place after the PAX panels.

Of the guys who feel meh about it, one is probably never going to play the game again because of the end, but doesn't really have any hard feelings toward the rest of the game or BioWare. The other one is more or less where I am when I'm talking to people about the end and not on the forums: which is to say, far more angry at the fans' response than about the end of the game iteself. <_<

Personally, I thought the ending was ok. I got to do everything I wanted to do with the game (save having my femShep retire on a beach with Garrus),  I had a lot of fun, and I got a lot out of my time in the ME universe. I thought the ending was... short and lacking clarity, but it had some really good ideas behind it, even if they were poorly presented. So... yeah. The end of the game was meh.

I have several other friends who are playing the game still. While one or two of them might reach rage levels right after completing it, I'd imagine most of them will also join the "meh" crowd.

[Ruathall]

Outraged? Maybe thats a bit strong, but I'm definitely disappointed, after all I've invested a lot of time into this series and loved the majority of it. For the writers to drop the ball right at the end is a bit of a let down to say the least. I don't post much & dislike complaining myself, but I'm kind of glad some are vocal in their dismay, its demonstrated to Bioware that the ending isn't worthy of the series and they're now trying to rectify that.

[howieloader]

kingscawt wrote...

Save the take back cupcakes space magic rainbows couple of drinks with LI pep talks, this is a real inquiry of mine. 

Every person I've spoken to from RL friends to even in a MP lobby have generally said the same thing when the endings are casually brought up in conversation "I didn't hate it as much as everyone else seems to." Now being a long, long, lonnggg time various forum dweller I know for a fact people like to.. exaggerate and vent via forums. Do you guys/girls actually feel that strongly about it? I was very, very disapointed mostly in the fact I have put a ton of time (300ish hours I'd say is a fair number) into crafting perfect playthroughs over the years in hopes I'll have some flaming glory conclusion that leaves me in manly tears of joy but I was never in a massive blood rage to a point where I would have demanded the company change thier ending until I'm pleased with it. 

If I were Bioware I don't think I'd be taking these forums very seriously, literally everything is negative and people swear up and down they hate Bioware and have ~lost all faith~ but yet.. still scower the BW forums? What? That's what I like to call the "echo" effect. People's opinions seem to be exaggerated in the company of fellow exaggeraters. I know some fans just will never be pleased, that's just a given with any game, but really? Every BW admin post you see has at least 9/10 of the comments saying something along the lines of "Hey well that's cool but this game sucks. EA are the devil I watch the angry joe show every night mrrmrrmrrr"

Just want a genuine consensus. Sure disappointment but, dirty diaper blood rage? It's a little embarrassing to be grouped into this mob of "fans" when I mention I'm unhappy with the conclusion of the trilogy. 

If you just want a "genuine consensus", that's a little bit of a confrontational opening sentence with the "save the cupcakes" remark... Kind of a total douche move "Hey, I want to know your opinion, but let me preface that with if you think that way I'm going to go ahead and inform you I think your a child and ridiculous through veiled insults" I know, I know "but I didn't say that..." Right, it was only heavily implied right away...

People are "outraged" since the word can mean: "An extremely strong reaction of anger, shock, or indignation." I'm outraged, I'll not be purchasing anymore BioWare games after this disaster... Does that qualify in your book??

Your "RL" interactions and conversations hold more weight in your mind than they do in reality, and the importance of those interactions is therefore skewd... You believe since you have experienced this personally it is somehow more true, a logical fallacy... Also, assigning any sort of weight to conversations you have with people in MP is extremely marginal, I'm a huge ME fan, and don't play the MP at all, why should I, it's like the 12th best MP option I have... Your "echo effect" already has a name, it's called "confirmation bias", (First)people gravitate towards people with the same ideals or attitudes and (Secondly)are more likely to openly discuss it... I mean, I don't get it, you're capable of using a computer and are here on the internet but somehow don't understand that some people use hyperbole in their speech... 

Worst of all your methodology makes as much sense as the ending to the game... "Hey, I've seen some pretty negative things being said by PEOPLE ON THE FORUM having "dirty diaper blood rage" (whatever the f**k that is), so much that I don't think Bioware should take the PEOPLE ON THE FORUM very seriously, so to try and get a better understanding of where people are coming from, let me ask this question to... the PEOPLE ON THE FORUM!" Derpdy derp... Seriously, what's the logic here???

Sorry that in your mind you feel cast into a group no one else has claimed you to be in... I'm outraged, my brother in law is outraged, we're both done with Bioware pending the EC, though I don't think they'll be winning him back over...

Hope your response has a more logical base...

[kingscawt]

Erield wrote...

kingscawt wrote...

Every person I've spoken to from RL friends to even in a MP lobby have generally said the same thing when the endings are casually brought up in conversation "I didn't hate it as much as everyone else seems to."

Not hating something "as much" does not, in any way, shape or form, mean that you do not hate something.  Furthermore, most rational people will present a more rational response to a person directly (even if it is via MP lobby right before you're about to try and work together to eliminate a threat) than going into an hour-long diatribe about exactly how terrible you found the endings. 

That said, I have yet to talk to anyone in person or over MP lobby who expressed a positive opinion of the last 10-15 minutes (Star Child) of the game.

I didn't mean to imply I've never encountered someone who hates it, a good 95%~ of the people i've talked to about it including myself just flat out do not like the ending. I've just never ran across someone in a verbal conversation setting actually go into this heated I will never buy BW/EA products again rage, only in the forum setting.

[Dukkhar]

I'm to old to become outraged about a videogame (at least I hope so), but I am deeply disappointed that my favorite game franchise ended the way it did. I have only talked to 2 people in real life that played the game yet, but I would say their reaction is about the same.

I would guess most people don't get outraged by a game unless they are part of some religious rightwing-group, but that doesn't mean that they don't care. The are more feelings in between content and outraged.

[Dridengx]

kingscawt wrote...

Save the take back cupcakes space magic rainbows couple of drinks with LI pep talks, this is a real inquiry of mine. 

Every person I've spoken to from RL friends to even in a MP lobby have generally said the same thing when the endings are casually brought up in conversation "I didn't hate it as much as everyone else seems to." Now being a long, long, lonnggg time various forum dweller I know for a fact people like to.. exaggerate and vent via forums. Do you guys/girls actually feel that strongly about it? I was very, very disapointed mostly in the fact I have put a ton of time (300ish hours I'd say is a fair number) into crafting perfect playthroughs over the years in hopes I'll have some flaming glory conclusion that leaves me in manly tears of joy but I was never in a massive blood rage to a point where I would have demanded the company change thier ending until I'm pleased with it. 

If I were Bioware I don't think I'd be taking these forums very seriously, literally everything is negative and people swear up and down they hate Bioware and have ~lost all faith~ but yet.. still scower the BW forums? What? That's what I like to call the "echo" effect. People's opinions seem to be exaggerated in the company of fellow exaggeraters. I know some fans just will never be pleased, that's just a given with any game, but really? Every BW admin post you see has at least 9/10 of the comments saying something along the lines of "Hey well that's cool but this game sucks. EA are the devil I watch the angry joe show every night mrrmrrmrrr"

Just want a genuine consensus. Sure disappointment but, dirty diaper blood rage? It's a little embarrassing to be grouped into this mob of "fans" when I mention I'm unhappy with the conclusion of the trilogy. 

My gf is very passionate about Mass Effect and she actually liked the endings, and she writes fanfic for many website groups. She tells me all the people she talks to be it in chats, forums, or in RL all of them either like the ending or don't care. The only people i've seen have any problem with ME3 is BSN. The same people on BSN are the same people who post the same thing on facebook or tumblr etc if you notice. There really is only about 12 fanatic anti enders on this site, the rest follow the leaders.

These 12 are the same who caused the cupcake interviews, press articles, and everything including lawsuits and reporting. sure 60,000 or so didn't like the ending but only a dozen are crazy

Modifié par Dridengx, 20 avril 2012 - 08:00 .

[Mad-Hamlet]

Huh.

Well, since you have yet to define what you mean exactly by legitimately I can't be sure but I will say that I am, nearly a month after the fact, still in such a towering fury that were it possible for my looks to kil my merest glance in a Westerly direction would erase pretty much all of Bioware from the face of creation.

[Mad-Hamlet]

My gf is very passionate about Mass Effect and she actually liked the endings, and she writes fanfic for many website groups. She tells me all the people she talks to be it in chats, forums, or in RL all of them either like the ending or don't care. The only people i've seen have any problem with ME3 is BSN. The same people on BSN are the same people who post the same thing on facebook or tumblr etc if you notice. There really is only about 12 fanatic anti enders on this site, the rest follow the leaders.

These 12 are the same who caused the cupcake interviews, press articles, and everything including lawsuits and reporting. sure 60,000 or so didn't like the ending but only a dozen are crazy

Than she is moving in rarified circles since that donation drive and the other reactions didn't not just happen from people in BSN. For the most part people who share those feelings keep themselves to themselves just as your girlfriend sounds like she's doing.

So, your argument boils down too- I've never met any people from Africa so there must not be any.

[Dridengx]

Mad-Hamlet wrote...

My gf is very passionate about Mass Effect and she actually liked the endings, and she writes fanfic for many website groups. She tells me all the people she talks to be it in chats, forums, or in RL all of them either like the ending or don't care. The only people i've seen have any problem with ME3 is BSN. The same people on BSN are the same people who post the same thing on facebook or tumblr etc if you notice. There really is only about 12 fanatic anti enders on this site, the rest follow the leaders.

These 12 are the same who caused the cupcake interviews, press articles, and everything including lawsuits and reporting. sure 60,000 or so didn't like the ending but only a dozen are crazy

Than she is moving in rarified circles since that donation drive and the other reactions didn't not just happen from people in BSN. For the most part people who share those feelings keep themselves to themselves just as your girlfriend sounds like she's doing.

So, your argument boils down too- I've never met any people from Africa so there must not be any.

Actually the cupcake guys posted here a few times bragging about his interviews with a radio show and other stuff. he is on BSN and has posted here about the endings. so your theory is wrong. Go to any other forum no one cares but BSN and its the same 12 whiners. just look for yourself before you call someone out

Modifié par Dridengx, 20 avril 2012 - 08:05 .

[Erield]

Dridengx wrote...

My gf is very passionate about Mass Effect and she actually liked the endings, and she writes fanfic for many website groups. She tells me all the people she talks to be it in chats, forums, or in RL all of them either like the ending or don't care. The only people i've seen have any problem with ME3 is BSN. The same people on BSN are the same people who post the same thing on facebook or tumblr etc if you notice. There really is only about 12 fanatic anti enders on this site, the rest follow the leaders.

I am surprised that your gf liked the endings so well, merely because out of the 7 real-life friends I have who have played and finished the game, zero liked the ending.  I, myself, felt the most strongly about it, but no one had anything positive to say.  The closest to a non-negative opinion I got was a reference to Marauder Shields and a laugh.  Again though, that's my experience; yours is obviously different.  There are a number of studies that have been done over the years that prove that humans will believe what they want to believe, no matter the evidence, and will seek out evidence to support there own suppositions and beliefs.  Your experience leads you to believe that most people do not have a negative view, so you are not likely to believe that they do.  My experience is the opposite, and so I will find it strange or odd when people express this.

@ OP's response to my earlier post:  I had missed the part in your post where you stated that you were disappointed in the ending.  I tell my friends that usually you can safely ignore any 1/3 of what I say, and that I only read about one word in three.  This usually works out well, but occasionally I just **** up, so, sorry!  I do think that the way that you have structured the title and your OP lends itself to the idea that you were okay with the endings.  As far as genuine outrage, though, I believe you are correct.  I've been angry and disappointed over the endings, but always felt that demanding a new ending was going too far.  (It's one thing to ask for it, or ruthlessly mock and rip apart what we were given; it's a whole new level to insist that we be given something different instead.)

[kingscawt]

howieloader wrote...

kingscawt wrote...

Save the take back cupcakes space magic rainbows couple of drinks with LI pep talks, this is a real inquiry of mine. 

Every person I've spoken to from RL friends to even in a MP lobby have generally said the same thing when the endings are casually brought up in conversation "I didn't hate it as much as everyone else seems to." Now being a long, long, lonnggg time various forum dweller I know for a fact people like to.. exaggerate and vent via forums. Do you guys/girls actually feel that strongly about it? I was very, very disapointed mostly in the fact I have put a ton of time (300ish hours I'd say is a fair number) into crafting perfect playthroughs over the years in hopes I'll have some flaming glory conclusion that leaves me in manly tears of joy but I was never in a massive blood rage to a point where I would have demanded the company change thier ending until I'm pleased with it. 

If I were Bioware I don't think I'd be taking these forums very seriously, literally everything is negative and people swear up and down they hate Bioware and have ~lost all faith~ but yet.. still scower the BW forums? What? That's what I like to call the "echo" effect. People's opinions seem to be exaggerated in the company of fellow exaggeraters. I know some fans just will never be pleased, that's just a given with any game, but really? Every BW admin post you see has at least 9/10 of the comments saying something along the lines of "Hey well that's cool but this game sucks. EA are the devil I watch the angry joe show every night mrrmrrmrrr"

Just want a genuine consensus. Sure disappointment but, dirty diaper blood rage? It's a little embarrassing to be grouped into this mob of "fans" when I mention I'm unhappy with the conclusion of the trilogy. 

If you just want a "genuine consensus", that's a little bit of a confrontational opening sentence with the "save the cupcakes" remark... Kind of a total douche move "Hey, I want to know your opinion, but let me preface that with if you think that way I'm going to go ahead and inform you I think your a child and ridiculous through veiled insults" I know, I know "but I didn't say that..." Right, it was only heavily implied right away...

But I really didn't say that? Nor did I imply it. It was more of a let the socially accepted opinion rest here IE: cupcakes, and let the individual's opinion come through. I didn't mean to come across like that. 

 

People are "outraged" since the word can mean: "An extremely strong reaction of anger, shock, or indignation." I'm outraged, I'll not be purchasing anymore BioWare games after this disaster... Does that qualify in your book??

Please don't insult my intelligence, I know what the word means. And yes that's a perfect example of what I was saying.

Your "RL" interactions and conversations hold more weight in your mind than they do in reality, and the importance of those interactions is therefore skewd... You believe since you have experienced this personally it is somehow more true, a logical fallacy... Also, assigning any sort of weight to conversations you have with people in MP is extremely marginal, I'm a huge ME fan, and don't play the MP at all, why should I, it's like the 12th best MP option I have... Your "echo effect" already has a name, it's called "confirmation bias", (First)people gravitate towards people with the same ideals or attitudes and (Secondly)are more likely to openly discuss it... I mean, I don't get it, you're capable of using a computer and are here on the internet but somehow don't understand that some people use hyperbole in their speech... 

For clearification - RL: real life, a face to face civil conversation with someone I consider knowledgeable in the ME universe not surrounded by other people, thier actual opinion unbiased. I only mentioned MP as an example and for the sake of bringing up even people playing the game seem to not have this odd enraged opinion more common on the forums. Once again I say please don't try to insult my intelligence, I understand what hyperbole is.  

Worst of all your methodology makes as much sense as the ending to the game... "Hey, I've seen some pretty negative things being said by PEOPLE ON THE FORUM having "dirty diaper blood rage" (whatever the f**k that is), so much that I don't think Bioware should take the PEOPLE ON THE FORUM very seriously, so to try and get a better understanding of where people are coming from, let me ask this question to... the PEOPLE ON THE FORUM!" Derpdy derp... Seriously, what's the logic here???

You're becoming a little more belligerent as the post goes on, and I think you're proving my point as we go. Why would I ask the forum's actual opinion anywhere else but the forum?

Sorry that in your mind you feel cast into a group no one else has claimed you to be in... I'm outraged, my brother in law is outraged, we're both done with Bioware pending the EC, though I don't think they'll be winning him back over...

When speaking to anyone other than a fellow forum poster I often times look like one of these guys that support the whole Retake movements or the FTC complaints at face value. Which leads to my points in conversation usually being recieved a lot worse than if I were percieved to just be an emotionally invested fan. Which inturn leads me to embarassment when speaking of such things to those who don't know exactly what I'm talking about.

Modifié par kingscawt, 20 avril 2012 - 08:16 .

[stcalvin13]

The endings don't outrage me. I think they're terrible--literally, with no exaggeration, I think they are the worst endings I've ever seen to any story. But anyone can make a bad ending; it happens.

What really outrages me is the way BW has responded. They've never given us a straight answer. They've portrayed us like we were entitled, or a vocal minority, or just didn't get it--They've treated us like opponents. They've lied to us. They've acted like they're doing us a favor. They've ignored us. Then they turn around and try to use our by-this-point-real outrage to sell this game? Out. Raged.

[Johcande XX]

Hmm, well outraged is a relative term. I'd say that, to me, some people have definitely been outraged by the endings, and that's their business.

Personally, I was more annoyed than anything else; following a franchise through the years until the final climax where everything would be answered, . . . just to have it phoned in as lazy as possible.

Modifié par Johcande XX, 20 avril 2012 - 08:16 .

[Mad-Hamlet]

Actually the cupcake guys posted here a few times bragging about his interviews with a radio show and other stuff. he is on BSN and has posted here about the endings. so your theory is wrong. Go to any other forum no one cares but BSN and its the same 12 whiners. just look for yourself before you call someone out

Ah, you're generalising. You include the verb 'bragging' to lend weight to your argument when in truth the Cupcake Retaker posted about his being interviewed which is nothing to be ashamed of.
And yes, he is on BSN as are many others but we were not talking about you, you were using your girlfriend as an example and you now changed the focus to your own feelings and impressions. I will interperet that to mean you have no argument as I already stated.

Most of the Retakers do in community communication in the Facebook group or the Retaker Forums. If you're not there than, no, you won't see them very much except in threads regarding those activities or in response to those activites.

I reiterate: You are saying that just because she doesn't see them, they are not there. T

One last thing, disagreeing and counter-argument is not calling someone out. That phrase stems from lords arriving at another lord's castle to challenge them to trial by combat, it was modernised by inner city culture into something truly ugly.
I have no desire to 'call you out', why should I? We're disagreeing on a viewpoint.

You can handle that, right?

Modifié par Mad-Hamlet, 20 avril 2012 - 08:16 .

[kingscawt]

My gf is very passionate about Mass Effect and she actually liked the endings, and she writes fanfic for many website groups. She tells me all the people she talks to be it in chats, forums, or in RL all of them either like the ending or don't care. The only people i've seen have any problem with ME3 is BSN. The same people on BSN are the same people who post the same thing on facebook or tumblr etc if you notice. There really is only about 12 fanatic anti enders on this site, the rest follow the leaders.

My thoughts exactly, thank you for your input. 

[count_4]

I know two people in RL who played ME3. One is a colleague - only played ME3 and his reaction to the ending could be summarized as:
"Well, it could make sense with the pruning of organics to save synthetics in a way but I don't really care. Was fun to play, though."

The other one is as invested in the game as I am and his first reaction over Steam chat after completing the game was (and I quote): "Whoever thought this up should be lapidated." - silence.

But, same as with me, it wasn't so much anger as it was severe disappointment about how BioWare managed to mess this trilogy up so badly in the last 5 minutes. They had the chance to do something great and just dropped the ball.

The actual anger came later, with all the PR spin, the arrogant crap of their employees talking down to us and in the Final Hours app plus the sorry excuses why this ending is actually really great. Not to forget the lies we were told beforehand...
That's were the anger comes from. Not the ending itself.

Modifié par count_4, 20 avril 2012 - 08:21 .

[kingscawt]

stcalvin13 wrote...

What really outrages me is the way BW has responded. They've never given us a straight answer. They've portrayed us like we were entitled, or a vocal minority, or just didn't get it--They've treated us like opponents. They've lied to us. They've acted like they're doing us a favor. They've ignored us. Then they turn around and try to use our by-this-point-real outrage to sell this game? Out. Raged.

What makes you think all of that? I don't feel like an opponent and I certainly do not feel like I'm being ignored. 

[JediMB]

I'm not even going to try to express how much I was disappointed by and despise the ending. I don't really post a lot on BSN either. However, I'm more active over at The Escapist, and there have been tons of threads about how bad ME3's ending was there.

Also, this is a pretty good article to read:
10 Ways Self-Hating Fans Make Genre Entertainment Worse

1. Not recognizing when we're being enablers

Sometimes, when creators and big companies are falling into bad habits again and again, somebody needs to take their keys away. It takes a lot of self-respect to keep from being an enabler. It's easier just to let it slide one more time — to let a comic book company reboot its universe for the hundredth time, or have Satan go around annulling people's marriages. Or to pretend that the billionth contrived crossover is as interesting as the millionth was. It's hard to be the person who launches an intervention and helps everyone to say no to more movies based on random toys, board games and other weird bits of IP. (Like we said earlier, junk food is awesome. But some kinds of junk food are just better than others.) This is probably the ultimate sin of the self-hating fan — being an enabler, and not expecting creators to clean up their acts.

Modifié par JediMB, 20 avril 2012 - 08:23 .