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[TheAwesomologist]

Tali all the way. Not only is Ashley a recist but she abandons you in ME2 and she's really boring when she's on the Normandy in ME3.

Tali gives you useful info in ME1, makes the Mako a super tank, and she can hack anything. In ME2 her Combat Drone is the bees knees. In ME3 she's a part of one of the best story lines in the game and honestly her love story is just really well told.

Anyways for those that are curious about the catfights you get this one if you are romancing Tali and dumped Ashley.

I'm not sure if you get this one because you're romancing Ashley (dumped Tali) or if you haven't talked to Tali in your cabin yet. Can anyone confirm?

[CptData]

dmonorato wrote...

Tali hands down, Ash is a racist for one thing. she just won't drop the whole Cerberus thing and she was butt ugly in ME1 IMO, and kinda looked like a she-man in ME3.

Tali wants to take down an entire species.

Your turn.


No, seriously: what do you call Tali's or any other quarian John/Jane Doe's opinion about the Geth? If that's not racist / specist including an genocidal attitude, I don't know.
God thanks you can convince Tali to work with Legion and god thanks you can make peace between both, but the Quarians act far more racist than Ashley.



Just something to think about. And the line "Ash is a racist" is as stupid as "all russians are sovjets"

Modifié par CptData, 20 avril 2012 - 02:08 .

[xAmilli0n]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

Tali all the way. Not only is Ashley a recist but she abandons you in ME2 and she's really boring when she's on the Normandy in ME3.

*sigh*

Ash is not racist, just mistrusting, as most humans are at this point in human history.  Additionally, Tali's (and the Quarian's) attitude towards the geth can be viewed as racist or worse, wanting to kill the geth.  Its all been said before, lets not get into it again.  Part of what makes the characters interesting is their flaws.

Now, with that out of the way, I feel like Ash and Tali would attrached different types of Shepards. Both have great romance arcs, and are interesting in their own right.  Drawbacks of each: Ash gets sidlined during the second half of ME3 and Tali is introduced very late, so her interaction limited in general.

Take your pick of who you or your Shepard would most fit in with, and enjoy the story.  Then go back and do the other.

[Clone 071]

CptData wrote...

dmonorato wrote...

Tali hands down, Ash is a racist for one thing. she just won't drop the whole Cerberus thing and she was butt ugly in ME1 IMO, and kinda looked like a she-man in ME3.

Tali wants to take down an entire species.

Your turn.

I'm with you there, Data.

CptData wrote...

No, seriously: what do you call Tali's (or any other quarian John/Jane Doe's opinion about the Geth? If that's not racist / specist including an genocidal attitude, I don't know.
God thanks you can convince Tali to work with Legion and god thanks you can make peace between both, but the Quarians act far more racist than Ashley.

Or at least the majority of the Quarians do. Not all of them wanted to commit the genocide of the Geth in the first place.

[Karrie788]

xAmilli0n wrote...

TheAwesomologist wrote...

Tali all the way. Not only is Ashley a recist but she abandons you in ME2 and she's really boring when she's on the Normandy in ME3.

*sigh*

Ash is not racist, just mistrusting, as most humans are at this point in human history.  Additionally, Tali's (and the Quarian's) attitude towards the geth can be viewed as racist or worse, wanting to kill the geth.  Its all been said before, lets not get into it again.  Part of what makes the characters interesting is their flaws.

Now, with that out of the way, I feel like Ash and Tali would attrached different types of Shepards. Both have great romance arcs, and are interesting in their own right.  Drawbacks of each: Ash gets sidlined during the second half of ME3 and Tali is introduced very late, so her interaction limited in general.

Take your pick of who you or your Shepard would most fit in with, and enjoy the story.  Then go back and do the other.

THANK YOU. So sick of people calling her a racist b*tch or a religious nutcase with no good reason.

[ADLegend21]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

I took Ash in the Geth Dreadnought, And I had romanced her in ME1 and romanced Tali in ME2. Then suddenly a catfight broke out. So I was wondering who would you guys pick.

Even though verbal jabbing is all that happens, as it should be, in hand to hand Ashley would wipe the floor with Tali. She's trained in Marine hand to hand after all.

[ADLegend21]

Karrie788 wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...

TheAwesomologist wrote...

Tali all the way. Not only is Ashley a recist but she abandons you in ME2 and she's really boring when she's on the Normandy in ME3.

*sigh*

Ash is not racist, just mistrusting, as most humans are at this point in human history.  Additionally, Tali's (and the Quarian's) attitude towards the geth can be viewed as racist or worse, wanting to kill the geth.  Its all been said before, lets not get into it again.  Part of what makes the characters interesting is their flaws.

Now, with that out of the way, I feel like Ash and Tali would attrached different types of Shepards. Both have great romance arcs, and are interesting in their own right.  Drawbacks of each: Ash gets sidlined during the second half of ME3 and Tali is introduced very late, so her interaction limited in general.

Take your pick of who you or your Shepard would most fit in with, and enjoy the story.  Then go back and do the other.

THANK YOU. So sick of people calling her a racist b*tch or a religious nutcase with no good reason.

especially the bolded part.

[Bocks]

Tali, at least her character stays more or less consistent throughout the three games and isn't absolutely insane about Cerberus.

[Mr. Brainheart]

Bocks wrote...

Tali, at least her character stays more or less consistent throughout the three games and isn't absolutely insane about Cerberus.

What is not consistant about Ashley's character? All that really changes are her looks and that she somewhat matures meaning she's arguably slightly less blunt and has a better understanding of aliens.

Tali on the other hand has a bit of a character change from ME1 to ME2, they mainly added more character and personality to her, whereas in ME1 she was mainly just a quarian to me, with only a vague personality.

Edit: I just realised you were probably talking about her on the Normandy in comparison to her on the citadel, in that case I understand.

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 20 avril 2012 - 02:39 .

[xAmilli0n]

Bocks wrote...

Tali, at least her character stays more or less consistent throughout the three games and isn't absolutely insane about Cerberus.

I agree, Tali's character is more consistent across the series, but then again, you had her a a full time squatmate in ME2, so you got plenty of time to get to know her. I also blame this on Ash's treatment in the second half of ME3.

As for Ash's views on Cerberus, I gotta say, they are completely reasonable.  Black-ops group gone rogue, with a horrible reputation of subverting science (tests using Thorian creepers, rachni, project overloard, Sancturary) and "integrating" their followers is not something to take lightly.  Now, think that the person you loved died, and then was brought back to life by this organization...I can tell you, I'd be pretty damn skeptical.  On top of that, I didn't think Ash brought up Cerberus very much at all considering the circumstances.

/rant

[ADLegend21]

Are you kidding me? Tali at the start of ME2: "I can't work with you becuse of Cerberus" Tali on Haestrom "ok I will work with you"

that's hardly consistent. Ashley continues to call you on your Cerberus ties until the coup. If anything she and Kaidan are the most consistent characters in the series. Alliance soldiers through and through.

[Hellfire257]

Some people are just too shallow themselves to be able to understand Ash's circumstances and perspective. More fool them, I guess.

Understanding is the first step to empathy.

[EmperorZorn]

Hellfire257 wrote...

Some people are just too shallow themselves to be able to understand Ash's circumstances and perspective. More fool them, I guess.

Understanding is the first step to empathy.

This.
Unfortunately these people exist in every fanbase, of every character.

To begin with, this thread shouldn't be named "Ashley VS Tali", but "Ashley or Tali" since this isn't a competition
but only a matter of taste and personal preference.

I hope we can all agree that both characters have their merits and won't need to insult each other.

[CptData]

EmperorZorn wrote...

Hellfire257 wrote...

Some people are just too shallow themselves to be able to understand Ash's circumstances and perspective. More fool them, I guess.

Understanding is the first step to empathy.

This.
Unfortunately these people exist in every fanbase, of every character.

To begin with, this thread shouldn't be named "Ashley VS Tali", but "Ashley or Tali" since this isn't a competition
but only a matter of taste and personal preference.

I hope we can all agree that both characters have their merits and won't need to insult each other.

This.

Especially since Tali & Ash are more like sisters than anything else.

[Karrie788]

EmperorZorn wrote...

Hellfire257 wrote...

Some people are just too shallow themselves to be able to understand Ash's circumstances and perspective. More fool them, I guess.

Understanding is the first step to empathy.

This.
Unfortunately these people exist in every fanbase, of every character.

To begin with, this thread shouldn't be named "Ashley VS Tali", but "Ashley or Tali" since this isn't a competition
but only a matter of taste and personal preference.

I hope we can all agree that both characters have their merits and won't need to insult each other.

Agreed. 'Sides, I love both characters. I'm not the only one, right?

[xAmilli0n]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Are you kidding me? Tali at the start of ME2: "I can't work with you becuse of Cerberus" Tali on Haestrom "ok I will work with you"

that's hardly consistent. Ashley continues to call you on your Cerberus ties until the coup. If anything she and Kaidan are the most consistent characters in the series. Alliance soldiers through and through.

Not sure if you were directing this at me, but I'll give you me take on it.

I feel Tali is consistent in character and personality.  Her loyalty to the Migrant Fleet, her loyalty/love for Shepard, her conflicted opinion about the Geth, all develop consistantly across all games.  Her dialogue through the game is also consistent, if only in my opinion.  As for her change in position on Cerberus in ME2, depending on you action in ME1, her replay is "I want too, but I can't" because of her new role in the Migrant Fleet, and her mission on Haestrom.  Once that was completed, she no longer has a reason to not join up.

Now for Ash, I completely agree with you.  Thats what is appealing about her, she is not a yes (wo)man.  She will call you out and expect answers, as any reasonable person would.  Its jus that post coup, she feels pretty out of character until the romance scene.

These are just my opinions, I am a big support of many of the romances throughout the series, and don't really see the point of bashing any of them (except a certain Jacob...).

EmperorZorn wrote...

I hope we can all agree that both characters have their merits and won't need to insult each other.

This here sums it up without my excessive wordage

Modifié par xAmilli0n, 20 avril 2012 - 02:57 .

[ADLegend21]

oh we agree on the post coup thing. It's like she' cuts herself off from the rest of the ship and even if you romance her your stuck with auto dialogue until her drunk scene and then her date and then until the romance scene before the Cerberus station.

[Bocks]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

What
is not consistant about Ashley's character? All that really changes are
her looks and that she somewhat matures meaning she's arguably slightly
less blunt and has a better understanding of aliens.

Tali on the
other hand has a bit of a character change from ME1 to ME2, they mainly
added more character and personality to her, whereas in ME1 she was
mainly just a quarian to me, with only a vague personality.

Edit:
I just realised you were probably talking about her on the Normandy in
comparison to her on the citadel, in that case I understand.

Everything about Ashley is inconsistent in ME3. The main glaring issue is her character redesign to make her a downright _____. She even says she doesn't wear skirts, and yet she wears a skirt in ME3. She also doesn't stop talking about Cerberus until a good three fourths of the way into the game, and has some serious issues with accepting Shepard isn't with them anymore. Kaidan just drops it altogether after the coup, but Ashley seems to drag it on and on.

Tali's character at the fundamental level did not change. She grew up, sure. She matured in her mannerisms and generally grew older, and this is reflected in her character design by her hood resembling something like a shorter haircut.

ADLegend21 wrote...

Are you kidding me? Tali at the start of ME2: "I can't work with you becuse of Cerberus" Tali on Haestrom "ok I will work with you"

that's hardly consistent. Ashley continues to call you on your Cerberus ties until the coup. If anything she and Kaidan are the most consistent characters in the series. Alliance soldiers through and through.

Tali said she couldn't work with you because she had a mission. That mission was on Haestrom. She finished her mission. She joined you. It's not rocket surgery.

Also, mistrusting someone who you bled and fought with? Even after everyone else you bled and fought with seems to follow him or her into battle? That's just stupid and it was an excuse for Bioware to not have Ashley and Kaidan in ME2. It's not a good part of their characters in the slightest and is some of the worst writing in Mass Effect altogether.

[CptData]

Guess since this easily can turn into one of those stupid flamewars, the next post flaming against Tali or Ashley will get reported & the thread locked.

*armchairmod mode*

[NoirLegend]

Ashley, always.

[Rudy Lis]

CptData wrote...

Guess since this easily can turn into one of those stupid flamewars, the next post flaming against Tali or Ashley will get reported & the thread locked.

*armchairmod mode*

*brings flame extinguisher and leaves it in center of easily visible and reachable location*

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 20 avril 2012 - 03:18 .

[TheAwesomologist]

xAmilli0n wrote...

TheAwesomologist wrote...

Tali all the way. Not only is Ashley a recist but she abandons you in ME2 and she's really boring when she's on the Normandy in ME3.

*sigh*

Ash is not racist, just mistrusting, as most humans are at this point in human history.  Additionally, Tali's (and the Quarian's) attitude towards the geth can be viewed as racist or worse, wanting to kill the geth.  Its all been said before, lets not get into it again.  Part of what makes the characters interesting is their flaws.

Now, with that out of the way, I feel like Ash and Tali would attrached different types of Shepards. Both have great romance arcs, and are interesting in their own right.  Drawbacks of each: Ash gets sidlined during the second half of ME3 and Tali is introduced very late, so her interaction limited in general.

Take your pick of who you or your Shepard would most fit in with, and enjoy the story.  Then go back and do the other.

They're both products of their society. While Ashley is resentful of all aliens, Tali (and the Quarians) are resentful of the Geth which they don't view as a separate race but rather as tools or pets that got away. Neither is right but only Tali and Quarians seem to grow out of this. Ashley gets along with others on the crew, learns a bit in ME1 but in ME3 she's still ****ing about aliens when you go talk to her after some missions. Tali mourns Legion, the Quarians actually work with the Geth to not only rebuild their home world but also accept the offer of the Geth to help rebuild their immune system.

Ashley actually becomes rather entrenched and stays pretty stubborn. Hell if you don't buy her flowers she still mistrusts you over events in ME2. Thank god Garrus puts her down like a rabid beast. Joker says it best if Ashley dies "We bus our asses stopping the collectors, and we haven't earned the benefit of the doubt?"

Both are flawed characters, which makes for good story telling, but only Tali actually grows up.

[Electavire]

Tali. Tali forever

[CptData]

TheAwesomologist
^ you need to buy Ashley Tennyson's books.
She's not the flower type. Actually ... you need to know Ashley to get the right present ^^

Modifié par CptData, 20 avril 2012 - 03:27 .

[TheAwesomologist]

CptData wrote...

TheAwesomologist
^ you need to buy Ashley Tennyson's books.
She's not the flower type. Actually ... you need to know Ashley to get the right present ^^

I know, but still the point is you have to buy her something to begin with. Saving her life, taking her in for medical treatment, visiting her, saving the galaxy are some how not good enough.