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[gonzalez.melissa53]

Are demons drawn to Darkspawn Emissaries? Do they enter the fade like other mages, aware when they sleep? Do demons try to tempt and possess them?

[svenus97]

As far as I know, no. Non-darkspawns gets possessed because their magic comes from the Fade. Darkspawn drawn their magic from the Blight.

[thats1evildude]

When pressed, the devs have only said that demons have never possessed a darkspawn emissary, or that if it has happened, no one's ever heard of it. Oh, demons have taken over the corpses of darkspawn, but they act the same as other walking corpses.

From what I can tell, the demons acknowledge the existence of darkspawn but aren't interested in them. Perhaps it's because darkspawn magic comes from the taint itself, or perhaps darkspawn just aren't attractive hosts. After all, demons want to experience life, and your average darkspawn is a mindless, soulless shell that lives only to obey the call of the Old Gods.

[gonzalez.melissa53]

But wouldn't that mindless/soullessness mean that there would be no fight. Or maybe there is simply no way to "tempt" a darkspawn. Is it a communication barrier or is there simply nothing they want? Some darkspawn where "Awakened". And then there are those like the Architect... I was just wondering.

[thats1evildude]

gonzalez.melissa53 wrote...

But wouldn't that mindless/soullessness mean that there would be no fight.

Again, the point of possessing a mortal vessel is to experience the mortal world. To a demon, taking over a darkspawn is probably the same as possessing a chair; it sort of defeats the whole point of the exercise.

And yes, it may not be possible for demons to "access" darkspawn, who don't sleep and don't have any desires.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 20 avril 2012 - 11:43 .

[gonzalez.melissa53]

thats1evildude wrote...

gonzalez.melissa53 wrote...

But wouldn't that mindless/soullessness mean that there would be no fight.

Again, the point of possessing a mortal vessel is to experience the mortal world. To a demon, taking over a darkspawn is probably the same as possessing a chair; it sort of defeats the whole point of the exercise.

And yes, it may not be possible for demons to "access" darkspawn, who don't sleep and don't have any desires.

But some do. Again I point to the Architect and others like him. I have a theory that maybe the darkspawn mages having only ever draw from the taint that is around them and part of them are unable to access the fade. Even if they were all miraculy awakened they might not be able to draw from it. Would this make them loose their magics entirely? Or would they simply find another way of using whatever is around them? A Live = mana type thing? Can darkspawn even be cured of the taint????? Or are they the taint? I guess I think of it as a disease or sorts or a curse. Just food for thought. XD

[Fast Jimmy]

If we look at Anders, an abomination with Justice inside him, who is also a Gray Warden, which has a part of the taint living inside him, there seems to me to be no particular reason a demon could not coexist with the taint.

If you didn't murder knife Anders and the taint overtakes him later in life, there is a distinct possibility you could have an abomination/dark spawn being.

[TEWR]

gonzalez.melissa53 wrote...

But wouldn't that mindless/soullessness mean that there would be no fight. Or maybe there is simply no way to "tempt" a darkspawn. Is it a communication barrier or is there simply nothing they want? Some darkspawn where "Awakened". And then there are those like the Architect... I was just wondering.

Awakened Darkspawn -- which the Architect and Corypheus most certainly are -- are different. They could be prone to possession, but I highly doubt it. Avernus states to the Warden that the Darkspawn taint is alien to the demons.

Since the Darkspawn's magic draws itself from the taint, chances are that the demons are unable to naturally possess a Darkspawn -- Awakened or no.

But were a Mage to capture a Darkspawn and summon a Demon into the Darkspawn, then yes we could see it.

So while it's more then likely possible, what we've been told so far -- in game and out -- points to it being something that won't happen naturally. But it can still happen, much like how even though Dwarves don't enter the Fade naturally when they sleep they can still be forced into the Fade.

[Anvos]

I believe somewhere it said that darkspawn are considered foreign and unkown to the creatures of the fade. So that could explain it.

[gonzalez.melissa53]

Where does it say that darkspawn are souless? is that just something we are think because they are the "monsters" of the DAverse? Is there no redemption for them at all? I mean aren't they kind of victoms here? Cursed for the "evil" magisters choices and all? Women force to become broodmothers and the children become "evil". That's horrible! No one else things so? I can't help the hero complex LOL I want to see them at least have some hope.

[caradoc2000]

gonzalez.melissa53 wrote...

Where does it say that darkspawn are souless?

In DAO. When an archdemon gets killed, it can easily inhabit a darkspawn because those are soulless, an empty vessel if you will. If it tries to inhabit a grey warden, both souls are destroyed.

As to the original question: as a demon which would you rather possess - a stinking darkspawn or a shmexy circle mage?

[Anvos]

Corypheus yes.

Architect is mostly speculation based on similarities to Corypheus. Quite honestly I'd rather he be something different anyway.

[TEWR]

BrotherWarth wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

gonzalez.melissa53 wrote...

But wouldn't that mindless/soullessness mean that there would be no fight. Or maybe there is simply no way to "tempt" a darkspawn. Is it a communication barrier or is there simply nothing they want? Some darkspawn where "Awakened". And then there are those like the Architect... I was just wondering.

Awakened Darkspawn -- which the Architect and Corypheus most certainly are

Wasn't it hinted that they're 2 of the Tevinter mages that entered the Golden City?

Corypheus is and it's widely believed that the Architect is as well -- and it's got to be correct, because come on. But they're also the first Awakened Darkspawn to have ever existed. That's the term for any Darkspawn that is sentient and Grey Warden Carver even labels Corypheus as such.

An Awakened Darkspawn is quite simply a Darkspawn that cannot hear the Call of the Old Gods and is sentient.

Whether Darkspawn had souls in their more animalistic state is a matter of interpretation but we know that upon being Awakened they have a soul. Either they gained one or it was liberated.

Me? I lean more towards the latter rather then the former.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 21 avril 2012 - 10:48 .