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[edwards_77]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

Speculation by someone trying to fill a plothole again. Did Joker talk to the starbrat? How can he know what those beams would do? The only logic is that he got scared and ran off.

He could have been ordered away. We have no timeline from when Shepard goes down up until Joker runs.

[zarnk567]

edwards_77 wrote...

The Invisible Commando wrote...

Speculation by someone trying to fill a plothole again. Did Joker talk to the starbrat? How can he know what those beams would do? The only logic is that he got scared and ran off.

He could have been ordered away. We have no timeline from when Shepard goes down up until Joker runs.

Who would have ordered him away? It's do or die, does not matter if you run your dead anyway. Hence the whole chessy "we fight or we die" speech Shepard gives.

[b2smooth]

Because he is a ****.

[An English Gamer]

 Joker running is simply an inexplicable occurence. The only reasonable explanation would involve your entire crew having completely seperate personalities and that of course won't be the case.

[J717]

TL;DR:

The OP has no idea what he's talking about.

How Joker would know that EDI was in any danger is mind-boggling. Not to mention, regardless of what choice you made, even if one of the three was Synthesis and it wouldn't have hurt EDI, Joker still high-tails it through the Relay BEFORE Shepard makes that decision.

[edwards_77]

zarnk567 wrote...

edwards_77 wrote...

The Invisible Commando wrote...

Speculation by someone trying to fill a plothole again. Did Joker talk to the starbrat? How can he know what those beams would do? The only logic is that he got scared and ran off.

He could have been ordered away. We have no timeline from when Shepard goes down up until Joker runs.

Who would have ordered him away? It's do or die, does not matter if you run your dead anyway. Hence the whole chessy "we fight or we die" speech Shepard gives.

Hackett for example? Anderson maybe? I'm essentially saying we really don't know what happened when, but we have room for quite a few plausible explanations that does not involve Joker being a coward. That one is most often used since it fits the whole "****ing ****itty ******** I hate this ending" opinion. 

[zarnk567]

edwards_77 wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

edwards_77 wrote...

The Invisible Commando wrote...

Speculation by someone trying to fill a plothole again. Did Joker talk to the starbrat? How can he know what those beams would do? The only logic is that he got scared and ran off.

He could have been ordered away. We have no timeline from when Shepard goes down up until Joker runs.

Who would have ordered him away? It's do or die, does not matter if you run your dead anyway. Hence the whole chessy "we fight or we die" speech Shepard gives.

Hackett for example? Anderson maybe? I'm essentially saying we really don't know what happened when, but we have room for quite a few plausible explanations that does not involve Joker being a coward. That one is most often used since it fits the whole "****ing ****itty ******** I hate this ending" opinion. 

Well, Anderson died and Hackett can't hear shepard we know already, since he keeps trying contact Sheaprd when he is at the console. And again why would they retreat? It's do or die, if you flee you die and so does your race and everything you know. So really the only conclusion we can get is joker ran like a coward.

[sergio71785]

If Joker can react, and almost outrun, the Catalyst's energy, why can't the faster Reapers do the same?

[Vespervin]

I always assumed Joker was traveling at FTL. Because the Relays use instantaneous travel and Joker was in that beam for at least five seconds. I'm probably wrong.

[formshifter]

edwards_77 wrote...

He could have been ordered away. We have no timeline from when Shepard goes down up until Joker runs.

O.o ??? 
Really? 
REALLY?? 

Dude, after Sheaprd goes down we have a gratuitous scene where Coates says the assault failed. I dont' know about you, but from the way that Sovereign was rapid-firing, I can't help but think that Joker didn't have time to hit the Charon relay before the Crucible thing. Especially since by then he didn't know WHAT would happen and was in a do or die situation. 

[DJBare]

lillitheris wrote...

See the clarification thread in my signature for a treatise of (among others) this topic.

Summary: it takes 5 HOURS to get to Charon from Earth, and it takes at least 10 HOURS to fly from Sol to the nearest habitable planet in FTL.

So, no.

This definitely needs repeating along with the link http://social.biowar.../index/11289479

[CELL55]

Sooooo, you believe Joker could see the future? Is that the gist of your argument?

[tobiasks]

No way Joker would've known what the starchild told Shepard.

[Coachdongwiffle]

oh no this was just flat out dumb. wow if he was running from the Citadel explosion where would he of crashed? there are no planets like that in our solar system. How would he of had time to of seen what happened to all the Reapers and then turn and run? wouldn't other people run. This was just not a good post good try though. I'm glad your trying to make the ending more bearable

[firebreather19]

It was Anderson who told him, not Joker. It's called forming a second front.

[firebreather19]

Anderson who told Joker to leave, not Shepard *

[BlackAlpha]

Ericus wrote...

BlackAlpha wrote...

I always thought Joker was simply using FTL at that point. Which makes sense. Things start exploding, so Joker/EDI tries to escape the blast.

If Joker can't outrun that blast at FTL speeds, how the heck did he even have time to react to it?  A shockwave that's faster than FTL means that it would hit the Normandy before the light even arrived at Joker's eye / the Normandy's sensors.  It is completely impossible for him to try to outrun the explosion unless he was already in FTL BEFORE it started.  And as everyone has pointed out on these forums, Joker would never run.

Good point, but it's not impossible.

The only explanation is that EDI was able to detect the blast wave while the wave was still accelerating, or maybe before it was even created. EDI is an insanely advanced AI with very advanced hardware and she was probably constantly monitoring the Crucible because she knew it would release a gigantic amount of energy that could potentially destroy everything around it. She was probably looking for out of place energy buildups. So we can assume EDI was capable of detecting the explosion before it even began. EDI then decided to react to the explosion, or blast wave, by immediately entering FTL to escape from it. By the time the Normandy got into full FTL speed, the blast wave had accelerated to FTL speed as well and had almost caught up with them. Finally, the scene that we see happens, EDI and/or Joker push the Normandy to the limit, but they aren't able to go any faster, and so the blast wave slowly overtakes them.

Anyway, that's the impression I got when I first was saw that scene.

By the way, if you go at FTL speed, you can't see anything because the light never gets the chance to properly reach your eyes and/or your eyes never get the chance to properly proces the light. So what you will see will depend on what direction you are facing in relation to the direction you are moving in. It will be either black, extremely blurry or extremely bright. So, that scene where we see the Normandy fly beyond FTL speed, we should not be able to see. In other words, you can't have everything 100% realistic.

Modifié par BlackAlpha, 20 avril 2012 - 05:50 .

[Alexander Riker]

Please all fans of Joker. Join the petition for a romance between the Joker and Shepard. A lot of people wanted this romance. Painted, creating stories, doing other various things. And what finally lived to see? Romance between EDI and the Joker! WT*. I'm not saying that the romance between the Joker and EDI is bad, but you do there are alternatives in the form of a romance between the Joker and Shepard. Please all sign the petition. http://www.change.or...le-male-shepard Thank you...

[hippanda]

lillitheris wrote...

See the clarification thread in my signature for a treatise of (among others) this topic.

Summary: it takes 5 HOURS to get to Charon from Earth, and it takes at least 10 HOURS to fly from Sol to the nearest habitable planet in FTL.

So, no.

12 ly/day = 0.5 ly/hr. Pluto is several orders of magnitude less than 2.5 light years away from Earth.

It's entirely feasible for Joker to hit the relay in the time required. The crucible's energy wave shouldn't be able to travel faster than the speed of light (unlike the Normandy). This is another reason why the "FTL'ing to escape" theory isn't plausible - there shouldn't be any way for the pulse to "catch up" to the Normandy. Eventually surround it by coming at it from all directions as it blankets the galaxy, sure, but it can't overtake its speed. The only way to explain that happening is for the energy to be traveling through the same relay tunnel as the Normandy.

[Ski Mask Wei]

Maybe EDI is the one running? I wouldn't be surprised if she could pull a K.I.T.T. and fly herself. She seemed afraid when you talk to her before the final battle and she has those sensors and stuff that could detect galaxy-changing energy fluctuations. She detects the space abracadabra going down and gets the f%*# outta dodge before it nukes her and her soul mate.

Just puttin' it out there.

[The Angry One]

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

Maybe EDI is the one running? I wouldn't be surprised if she could pull a K.I.T.T. and fly herself. She seemed afraid when you talk to her before the final battle and she has those sensors and stuff that could detect galaxy-changing energy fluctuations. She detects the space abracadabra going down and gets the f%*# outta dodge before it nukes her and her soul mate.

Just puttin' it out there.

So why wouldn't Joker be telling her to stop? Wouldn't he be angry at her at all? It's still out of character anyway.

No explanation for this makes sense, don't even try.

[isthisnameavailable]

 No No No! You're all wrong. Only I know the truth. Everyone thinks Joker is fleeing a wave, but the Normandy is actually getting sucked backward.

Why? Because the ending is crap in a toilet, and Joker is just trying to avoid the flush.

[Ryven]

Joker is not running FROM anything. He is running TO something.

He is running TO the Adam and Eve reference that the writers felt they needed to shoehorn in. The game was almost over and that little bit of symbolism wasn't gonna make itself.

[The Angry One]

Xydorn wrote...

Joker is not running FROM anything. He is running TO something.

He is running TO the Adam and Eve reference that the writers felt they needed to shoehorn in. The game was almost over and that little bit of symbolism wasn't gonna make itself.

Sadly, this is quite true. That "eden" painting proves it.

This painting was made so early in production that it still has Joker in his Cerberus shirt.
It is absolutely shocking that for the finale of the entire trilogy they'd put the cart before the horse just to have this insipid, overdone reference.

Modifié par The Angry One, 21 avril 2012 - 09:23 .

[Little Princess Peach]

I think for the organic/robot ending and control maybe shepard sent out a message to EDI telling her to take the crew to safety I dont think Joker is a coward