178 réponses à ce sujet

[Zaalbar]

I would speculate that after Harbinger's beam decimated the entire ground forces and the likely hood that Harbinger and other Reaper patrolling the area around the beam, Admiral Hackett devised a back up desperation plan that involved the Ilos conduit.
He ordered Joker to round up Shepard's Squad then take the Normandy on a journey to Ilos so Shepard's squad could use the Conduit to infiltrate the Citadel in order to open the Citadel arms.
Little did anyone know at the time though is that Shepard and Anderson had made it to the beam and onto the citadel.

This would explain why the Normandy was where it was, they were not running they were on there way to Ilos to infiltrate the Citadel but was cut short by the shockwaves that stranded them on the jungle planet.

Only speculation of cause.

[bleetman]

greghorvath wrote...

Play MP and if you do not realize its does not make sense getting yourself killed to save a teammate, then you may want to seek out some help.

I'll humour you, unbelievably poor comparison aside.

Players who respond to fallen teammembers in ME3 multiplayer by running in to try and revive them, dying in the process, may be viewed negatively, sure. The prudent course of action is to keep fighting, and either revive them when it's safer or let them auto revive at the end of the round if they bleed out before then. Either way, you stay and fight.

Don't try to convince me that a multiplayer player who responds to a fallen teammember by quitting the game and abandoning everyone is somehow acting responsibly and justifiably.

zaalbar76 wrote...

I would speculate that after Harbinger's beam decimated the entire ground forces and the likely hood that Harbinger and other Reaper patrolling the area around the beam, Admiral Hackett devised a back up desperation plan that involved the Ilos conduit.

Sure, if we assume that the entire collective military minds of the galactic armada are complete idiots and thus didn't just take a functional backdoor onto the Citadel in the first place.

Modifié par bleetman, 21 avril 2012 - 10:11 .

[The Angry One]

greghorvath wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Joker is a pilot of the Alliance Navy. A professional. I would like to think that the Alliance Navy has highere caliber training than that of the average ME3 MP player.

And of course you assume Joker has the clairvoyance to know that the pulse is going to be fired and that it will be harmful (even though it *isn't* harmful in real space).
Our arguments are fine. The one you just made is borne of a complete lack of understanding of the subject. You don't think about the ending, of course you like it.

BWHAAHAHAHA

fine. whatever.

Concession accepted.

[DJBare]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...
As am I but I think it works for both
loosing everything you have could be just the outter shell as in the human body but with out the EC we do not know for sure Im sorry if my ideas seem idiotic to you

Well, this can become a boatload of symantics, but lets just cut it down and say Shepard is now a Reaper, lets remember what the reapers are with a phrase from ME1

Nazara(Sovereign):"We are each a nation, independent, free of all weakness"

So unless Shepard has spread him/herself thinly across all Reapers, I'd say he/she has a major problem, 100s of 1000s of Reapers spread throughout the galaxy.

[The Angry One]

zaalbar76 wrote...

I would speculate that after Harbinger's beam decimated the entire ground forces and the likely hood that Harbinger and other Reaper patrolling the area around the beam, Admiral Hackett devised a back up desperation plan that involved the Ilos conduit.
He ordered Joker to round up Shepard's Squad then take the Normandy on a journey to Ilos so Shepard's squad could use the Conduit to infiltrate the Citadel in order to open the Citadel arms.
Little did anyone know at the time though is that Shepard and Anderson had made it to the beam and onto the citadel.

This would explain why the Normandy was where it was, they were not running they were on there way to Ilos to infiltrate the Citadel but was cut short by the shockwaves that stranded them on the jungle planet.

Only speculation of cause.

Why bother? The conduit is still there, and Harbinger flew away.
Are you telling me that, say, Garrus and Javik would get up, wait to be picked up by the Normandy, wait for an order to go to Ilos and sit there hoping for the best rather than follow Shepard into the conduit beam that's right there, still works and is totally unguarded? 

[KingKhan03]

DJBare wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...
As am I but I think it works for both
loosing everything you have could be just the outter shell as in the human body but with out the EC we do not know for sure Im sorry if my ideas seem idiotic to you

Well, this can become a boatload of symantics, but lets just cut it down and say Shepard is now a Reaper, lets remember what the reapers are with a phrase from ME1

Nazara(Sovereign):"We are each a nation, independent, free of all weakness"

So unless Shepard has spread him/herself thinly across all Reapers, I'd say he/she has a major problem, 100s of 1000s of Reapers spread throughout the galaxy.

lol totally off topic but your profile pic makes me read all your posts sean connery style.

[zarnk567]

greghorvath wrote...

This "why is Joker running away" is perhaps the most pathetic of the retaker questions. I say this because the answer is so strikingly obvious:

He is going away from the explosion, because otherwise he would die. duh. It is not at all uncharacteristic of him to try to save his beloved ship (think of ME2 beginning) and the "woman" he loves, that is basically the ship again.

There is a plothole only for those trying to dig one themselves. Quit it, people.

Why do you assume everyone who has a problem with this is a retaker? I'm not one, but it makes no sense from a narrative standpoint how Joker, Who was in the midst of battle can make a jump through a relay before it explodes from the energy released from the crucible. He would have to have advance knowlege of this to make it away from the blast in-time. Does Joker have ESP?
Last time I checked he did not, and if he used FTL it would still take a few hours to get to the nearest planet where he crashes, and for this planet to somehow have oxygen is beyond lucky. And your saying that he would say "screw you" to his race and friend all for a "woman"  and a ship. Cause in-case you forgot this is it, if they fail here everything he knows is dead anyway. In any-case he deserves to be beat to death for turning tail and running and somehow teleporting my crew who was on earth up to the ship with him.

[Little Princess Peach]

DJBare wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...
As am I but I think it works for both
loosing everything you have could be just the outter shell as in the human body but with out the EC we do not know for sure Im sorry if my ideas seem idiotic to you

Well, this can become a boatload of symantics, but lets just cut it down and say Shepard is now a Reaper, lets remember what the reapers are with a phrase from ME1

Nazara(Sovereign):"We are each a nation, independent, free of all weakness"

So unless Shepard has spread him/herself thinly across all Reapers, I'd say he/she has a major problem, 100s of 1000s of Reapers spread throughout the galaxy.

On that I have to agree with you DJBare if it was the case Shepard could only manage the ones in the sol system effectivally

[The Angry One]

zarnk567 wrote...

Why do you assume everyone who has a problem with this is a retaker?

Easier to make a dismissal by assuming it's the problem of a single collective.

How many posts have there been that go "I liked the ending except the Normandy thing, what the hell."

[The Vanquished1]

Maybe Marauder Shields tipped Joker off about the bad ending and he was trying to get out of it. It seems more logical that way, kinda like "Screw this scene, I'm ghost!"

[Little Princess Peach]

The Vanquished1 wrote...

Maybe Marauder Shields tipped Joker off about the bad ending and he was trying to get out of it. It seems more logical that way, kinda like "Screw this scene, I'm ghost!"

>.> is that why Harbringer left also?

[The Vanquished1]

So my new ending scenario is Harbinger did something incomprehensible by indoctrinating Bioware's writing staff and totally destroyed their plans "WTF!?" The Reapers warned us. LOL

[The Angry One]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

The Vanquished1 wrote...

Maybe Marauder Shields tipped Joker off about the bad ending and he was trying to get out of it. It seems more logical that way, kinda like "Screw this scene, I'm ghost!"

>.> is that why Harbringer left also?

Harbinger: "WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE'S NO YELLOW ENDING? THAT'S IT, I QUIT."

[zarnk567]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

The Vanquished1 wrote...

Maybe Marauder Shields tipped Joker off about the bad ending and he was trying to get out of it. It seems more logical that way, kinda like "Screw this scene, I'm ghost!"

>.> is that why Harbringer left also?

Harbinger knew the ending was coming soon and did not wanna sit through that Literary Monstronsity. So I like to believe he flew into the sun, and went out a true Antagonist. 

[Zaalbar]

The Angry One wrote...

zaalbar76 wrote...

I would speculate that after Harbinger's beam decimated the entire ground forces and the likely hood that Harbinger and other Reaper patrolling the area around the beam, Admiral Hackett devised a back up desperation plan that involved the Ilos conduit.
He ordered Joker to round up Shepard's Squad then take the Normandy on a journey to Ilos so Shepard's squad could use the Conduit to infiltrate the Citadel in order to open the Citadel arms.
Little did anyone know at the time though is that Shepard and Anderson had made it to the beam and onto the citadel.

This would explain why the Normandy was where it was, they were not running they were on there way to Ilos to infiltrate the Citadel but was cut short by the shockwaves that stranded them on the jungle planet.

Only speculation of cause.

Why bother? The conduit is still there, and Harbinger flew away.
Are you telling me that, say, Garrus and Javik would get up, wait to be picked up by the Normandy, wait for an order to go to Ilos and sit there hoping for the best rather than follow Shepard into the conduit beam that's right there, still works and is totally unguarded? 

Given the non sensical nature of the endings, I believe anythings possible at this point. But you are right though, my theory just raises more questions.
I would love for someone at Bioware to come foward and explain why the Normandy ends up on this planet for no reason and have it make sense.

[anlk92]

greghorvath wrote...

This "why is Joker running away" is perhaps the most pathetic of the retaker questions. I say this because the answer is so strikingly obvious:

He is going away from the explosion, because otherwise he would die. duh. It is not at all uncharacteristic of him to try to save his beloved ship (think of ME2 beginning) and the "woman" he loves, that is basically the ship again.

There is a plothole only for those trying to dig one themselves. Quit it, people.

Yes, almost everyone who has played the game is trying to dig a plothole out of nothing. Congratulations you're on to us.

[greghorvath]

I bow my head before the almighty logic presented before.

But seeing this is an active thread, I am going to as something off topic I need help with. I opened a thread for this but received no reaction:

greghorvath wrote...

Hello Everyone!

I couldn't
figure out where else to ask this (couldn't find the info in Origin
help) so here I go. Being the friendly guy that I am, I have sent out a
number of friend request, that the addressees have brazenly ignored.
This is not the problem. The problem is that the people who are not
showing up on my friends list in Origin (e.g. have ignored the friend
request) show up on the leaderboards among friends in multiplayer, and
also in mass effect datapad. Naturally, this will not do. Does anyone
know how I can remove these pending requests that give me false info?

Any feedback is welcome.

[Alibenbaba]

It has been established that Joker was trying to flee the plot.

[KennyAshes]

The best attempt to let EDI survive was to shut down her servers ... even then... I cannot image EDI not making back-ups. So unless the beam also is a tape/HD/SSD/godknowswhattheyhavethen melter there would still be backups around to restore AI's

e.g. Assume Microsoft decides to kill all Windows PC's tomorrow (oh yoy, welcome back to the stone-age) it would affect all Windows PC's communicating with Microsoft servers. Assume there is hidden software and hardware in all Windows PC's to communicate with Microsoft, no mather what it still wouldn't affect Windows PC's that are turned off. (until you bring them online if the Microsoft signal was persistent).

Out of that it has to be hardwarefrying to kill PC's that are turned off also. But that would also affect other computers running Linux, etc... which the beam doesn't.

From a technical perspective well... its not possible... 

Modifié par KennyAshes, 21 avril 2012 - 11:34 .

[Bfler]

The only logical reason for me would be that Shepard orders him the leave before the color choice.
I think after a little verbal dispute between both Joker would accomplish the order, even if Shepard has a lower rank than Hackett.

[Reorte]

We'll never know why Joker ran away. Why? He crashed on the Jacob Loyalty Mission planet, the writers of the ending were on board, and they'd been eating the food for a while before writing the ending.

[The Vanquished1]

Alibenbaba wrote...

It has been established that Joker was trying to flee the plot.

I concur and the new DLC will elaborate on that.

Here are a few theorized dialogue sequences

HARBINGER:  *(Right before he leaves Earth)  "Silly humans, I've had enough of your petty games, I'm taking my ball and what little hope you have of a good ending and going home suckas!"

JOKER:  EDI, this is some straight up  BOOOOLSh*T!"
EDI:  I concur on the bovine dung reference Jeff, furthermore I think it was a big mistake my deciding to become more attuned to humanity.  Well at least now I can honestly say "Oh the Humanity!!" 
JOKER:  Pffft, is that supposed to be some kind of joke EDI?

GARRIS: " No, no, no, I don't have time for this sh*t, I must finish these calibrations, and where did I put my stick?!!"

[The Vanquished1]

Yes, so it is established canon now that Joker fled the scene of the crime to avoid the terrible ending. I feel so much better now...

[Joccaren]

Problems:
1. Joker has no idea what the beams do.
2. Control only affects the Reapers. Destroy kills all synthetic life - including Reapers. Synthesis makes organics and synthetics one and the same, and doesn't harm them. Only Destroy has any real reason for Joker to be running.
3. The above means that Control will not affect EDI. Or the Geth. They will be fine.