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[B33ker]

Darpaek wrote...

I'd like to say that it is nice that multiple distribution mediums allow the legitimate user to choose their own copy protection - either online activation or cd checks. This is a good advance - particularly for us laptop gamers who want their DVD drive to have the same lifespan as the rest of their laptop.

Keep in mind the disc doesn't continuallty spin while the game is active.

The game just checks to see if it's there when it launches, then it spins down, so there's no wear and tear on the drive.

[Erruk]

You can take the disc out after you launch the game.

Modifié par Erruk, 07 décembre 2009 - 04:23 .

[whtnyte-raernst]

I have a solution, go to Best Buy and buy an HP SATA DVD/CD drive for 50 bucks. Not only quieter, but super fast at dumping data to where it's needed.

[WillyPete2171]

Aratham Darksight wrote...

I don't think your DVD should be doing much spinning once the game is loaded. After installing, it's only read for copy protection when you start the game.

At any rate, to answer the original question: It depends on whether you are willing to download and reinstall the entire game. Because you can activate your serial number in the EA downloader, granting you the rights to the digitally distributed version of the game.

this is exactly what i was looking for.  I had no idea EA provided this service.  thanks!

[Mordaedil]

Glad you got this issue sorted out Pete. Spread the word.

[irinotecan]

Of course if you have patience, in 2-4 years time when BW/EA decides DA:O has reached "end of life" there is a possibility they may strip the CD check with one of the last updates (as they did with NWN 1, and Obsidian just recently did for NWN 2).



Of course that was with the old regime; who knows if EA will let them do it this time around, time will tell...

[Loosemoose]

There are of course ways to play your purchased game without the disc,without altering or replacing any of the game files and without using EADM. Now, I suppose it's not considered 'legal' since you won't exactly use the DVD you got from EA, but the illegality of these 'workarounds' are really debatable in my opinion. :/

On the other hand, it was a great move by EA/Bioware to not clutter down their game with unnecessary protection mechanisms. I actually got some StarForce dishes from a few years back that I still haven't been able to digest properly...

Modifié par Loosemoose, 08 décembre 2009 - 01:48 .

[WillyPete2171]

Loosemoose wrote...

There are of course ways to play your purchased game without the disc,without altering or replacing any of the game files and without using EADM. Now, I suppose it's not considered 'legal' since you won't exactly use the DVD you got from EA, but the illegality of these 'workarounds' are really debatable in my opinion. :/

On the other hand, it was a great move by EA/Bioware to not clutter down their game with unnecessary protection mechanisms. I actually got some StarForce dishes from a few years back that I still haven't been able to digest properly...

 I hear ya, but as Aratham Darksight pointed out, you can use the EA downloader to install a no-CD version of the game.  I too his advise and although it took 7 hours to install, it works fine.  I started the download before I went to bed and now I can play Dragon Age with no noise form my CD!

[Ulukaidelu]

Personnaly when i buy a game, after install i use a crack a mini cd image to play it so like that my dvd is not used and the drive don't make crapy thing on it.

[WillyPete2171]

the less you use the CD and drive the better.  with my family constantly swaping out different CDs, my Dragon Age copy already has multiple scratches.  the EA downloader is the way to go

Modifié par WillyPete2171, 08 décembre 2009 - 02:13 .

[Marenzio]

uhmm, curious question here guys, i bought a cd copy of the game with perks on it(stone prisoner and blood armor). ill try reinstalling the game via ea download manager. would i still have my dl contents when i reinstall the game?

[Ronald Pena]

Only reason why I haven't registered my copy is because my friend registered using MY key already. Looks like I'll be using the CD for a while.

[enderandrew]

Stardock releases their games free of DRM completely, and I applaud them for it.



DRM is almost always IMMEDIATELY bypassed at launch. It does nothing to stop pirates. It does however cost the publisher money to license, and it annoys paying customers.



Please explain to me the supposed benefit of DRM that outweighs annoying paying customers, and paying to license it?

[B33ker]

enderandrew wrote...

Stardock releases their games free of DRM completely, and I applaud them for it.

DRM is almost always IMMEDIATELY bypassed at launch. It does nothing to stop pirates. It does however cost the publisher money to license, and it annoys paying customers.

Please explain to me the supposed benefit of DRM that outweighs annoying paying customers, and paying to license it?

Because your "average" pc consumer has no clue where or how to get "no cd" cracks, and that's the majority of the market they are selling to.  It keeps those people from passing around a copy among "friends of the family" which in turn does make an impact.

I love how people are so spoiled nowadays that they think just because they bought some sort of media that they have the right to do what they want with the data on it.  I've got news for you, in most cases, legally, you don't.  Whether or not that's a good thing is another whole discussion.

Stop being so lazy and put the damn disc in to play, sheesh.  People act like they are being soooo inconvenienced by it.  Heaven forbid they may have to put the disc in.  It takes sooo much effort after all. 

You should be on your knees thanking BioWare for only using a simple disc check and not SecuROM or something worse, but instead you come here and complain.  Ungrateful is what I call it.

[enderandrew]

Your argument is that DRM stops piracy?



Statistics say you are wrong. Look up the gamer's bill of rights. Look up Stardock's posts how they have a lower piracy rate without DRM. Yet the games with the most intrusive levels of piracy often lead the lists of most pirates games for the year.

[biowherewolf]

i have to agree with enderandrew. It really doesn't help stop piracy.

And while I understand why they do it (in a way), I think it's a shame to require the physcial CD. I've had problems with other games where the CD dies or gets damaged since it's a physical medium and I loose the ability to play.

I do wish they'd come up with something else -- like allow us to choose whether it's validated by CD or an online connection. If so, I'd lock the CD in a safe place, rather than carrying it with me when I want to play.

Ah well....

--B. Where.

[enderandrew]

http://www.joystiq.c...-games-of-2008/

[B33ker]

I would say it's quite effective in stopping casual piracy, but nothing will ever stop the hard core groups that buy one copy, crack it, and upload it to usenet and torrent sites.



There is a huge difference between the two. It also matters if the game/program phones home every time it's run.



You can find 10 studies that show it makes no difference and someone else can find 10 studies that show it does. Fact is, there is no way to monitor just how much most titles are pirated unless the program phones home to tell the merchant if it's legit or not (like iPhone apps tend to do). Most PC games don't do this, yet, but it's going to become more prevelant I think. Steam is a step in that direction, but Steam isn't without it's flaws as well.



The big crack groups went after Spore due to all the media attention and they all wanted to be in the limelight for being THE group to properly crack it. Claiming you have "great" DRM is like putting a target on your back for the hackers out there. It's an ego thing.



So I stand by my statement that DRM will stop tons of casual piracy, but nothing will stop the hard core groups that just want the thrill of the "crack".



If you don't like DRM then don't buy the games, otherwise, you know it's there and they aren't going to remove it, so just put the disc in and play the game.



As far as the media getting damaged, that isn't an EA/BioWare problem, that's your problem for not taking care of it, why should they be responsible? Go back to the day when CD's first came out, if you bought it and scratched it up, your loss, and you bought it again. What makes you more special now that you think you deserve special treatment if you damage the disc?



Maybe I'm just different minded because I'm from the older school, but I still believe BioWare did us all a favor, and as such, we should be grateful, and not complaining.

[BanditGR]

The CD check is 219831903271286348246124125 times better than the Securom authorizationg and activation system, used for some previous titles (most notably ME1). Will it stop pirates ? Of, course not. But it will not inconvenience legitimate customers by disallowing them to play the game due to limited "activations" and bugs/incompatibilities in the protection system itself. You people should have seen the outcry in the tech support forums when ME1 hit live, when it came to Securom. It was a disaster. I'm all for CD checks and optionally removing them by downloading the digital copy (for free), via a simple registration.

[Seeker341]

It can be slightly annoying, but when you think about it having to insert the dvd in your drive is a very small and easily achieved thing. The only real annoyance I can imagine would be if the dvd was damaged.

[vicariouscheese]

WillyPete2171 wrote...

Pennoyer wrote...

This is the main reason I bought the game on Steam.

Mass Effect was on sale last week for 5$ at Direct2Drive.  Runs great and is quiet.  Now Im conscience and bothered by the noise from my drive while playing DAO...  is there a work-around?

headphones

[Sylixe]

Not sure where the Mod is getting his info from but once the game starts up you can remove the CD and fire it up on another machine and it runs just fine.

[vicariouscheese]

B33ker wrote...

You can find 10 studies that show it makes no difference and someone else can find 10 studies that show it does. Fact is, there is no way to monitor just how much most titles are pirated unless the program phones home to tell the merchant if it's legit or not (like iPhone apps tend to do). Most PC games don't do this, yet, but it's going to become more prevelant I think. Steam is a step in that direction, but Steam isn't without it's flaws as well.

this actually won't monitor how many are pirated anyways, as the people who crack the games will disable the authorizations and such and the cracked program won't phone home
its just like the cracked DA:O dlc... 

[enderandrew]

Again, games released without DRM have lower piracy rates.



Games with the most advanced and intrusive DRM have higher piracy rates.



You can't escape those facts. You keep wanting to suggest that DRM prevents piracy. Please find me your 10 studies that prove it to be so.