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#76
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Gankstah wrote...

Arkley wrote...

JXS nWp wrote...

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So is the increased accuracy mod worth it? Or is it best go damage and AP?


If you are going to use the claymore, then the accuracy mod is not worth it. it will never be accurate enough to use at anything other then point blank to close range.

If it fired slug like munitions then obviously accuracy is important. The only shotguns that come close to this are the geth plasma or the graal spike thrower because both have high accuracy

best to go damage, armor pen, bayonette or extra ammo mods
if you are using a krogan, the bayonette is a must

I don't know if you think shotguns have a damage penalty over distance like they did in ME2, but in ME3 weapons do the same damage at all ranges, as long as they connect.


I do not believe this is entirely accurate.

Coalesced shows a min, max and optimal range for each weapon.


I'd heard that relates to a weapon's accuracy/aim error rather than its damage. I can't say for certain though, and I don't play on the PC or have a full understanding of that sort of thing.

Personal experience tells me the Claymore doesn't lose any power over distance based on the number of pellets hitting the target and approximations of how much damage they've taken, but that could just as easily be a placebo effect or the inaccurate health/armour/shields/barriers display. They don't give out hard numbers, unfortunately.

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Personally, I prefer my M-23 Katana over the Claymore. It's level 10, has 5 shots per thermal clip and even with a level 1 ammo mod it retains enough of it to actually be useful.

The Claymores devastating power is certainly something to behold, but I find it practically worthless in most circumstances. Especially for a vanguard.


You sir, need a Disciple. :whistle:

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Infiltrator + Claymore + Barrel Mod V + Choke V + AP Ammo I, II, III + Shotgun Rail I, II, III + No Shield Gate = awesome!

The main issue with powerful weapons like the Javelin/Widow is that even with ALL that power its wasted by shield gate. So yes IMO the Claymore is like playing a bolt action sniper but just a bit more fun as you can pretty much one shot all but the bosses with it.

Modifié par RazRei, 20 avril 2012 - 10:51 .


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Even with choke, cover and accuracy abilities still significantly reduce the spread on the claymore at long range even though the targetting reticle doesn't shrink.

Turian with marksman up from cover can keep every pellet inside a head from the long end of mid-range.

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The GPS is a toy for people who can't aim. The GPS is missing that critical 2.5x headshot multiplier, which is why it will never out-DPS the Claymore. The Claymore also allows you to stay in cover :o and you don't have to stand out in the open firing off your GPS magazine, exposing yourself to fire.

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Cayse wrote...

Even with choke, cover and accuracy abilities still significantly reduce the spread on the claymore at long range even though the targetting reticle doesn't shrink.

Turian with marksman up from cover can keep every pellet inside a head from the long end of mid-range.


I don't have an issue as I shoot it from Mid/Close range only with my infiltrator build.

Modifié par RazRei, 20 avril 2012 - 11:21 .


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It's quite accurate at mid range without it, but the size of the shot pattern that marksman gives it is just funny. It's not a really great use of the skill, though.

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Cayse wrote...

It's quite accurate at mid range without it, but the size of the shot pattern that marksman gives it is just funny. It's not a really great use of the skill, though.


It is one of the best uses of the skill. Even though it completely wastes the rate of fire bonus, it's ridiculous how powerful the gun becomes in the hands of a good aimer. OHK a geth pyro from 20 meters? Yes please!

Modifié par cruc1al, 20 avril 2012 - 11:31 .


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the claymore can practically quick reload and fire again at the speed of the wraith's natural firing rate ~_~

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IMO, Graal and GPS are both > claymore.

I simply wish I could use two shotguns.  GPS for non-headshottable armored mobs, and the graal for everything else.

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eldrjth wrote...

the video with the claymore infil looks nowhere near as effective as what I can do on that map with a sniper rifle.



It is nice to snipe geth, other factions not so much. 

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It's a top 5 gun imo. On the classes with accuracy buffs, Claymore can kill from sniper range.

Claymore is the only gun that can one shot almost every non boss on gold.

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The Claymore is the best sniper rifle in the game.

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Tony208 wrote...

Claymore is the only gun that can one shot almost every non boss on gold.


No. 

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KainD wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

Claymore is the only gun that can one shot almost every non boss on gold.


No. 


I vote this for the most informative post of the month.

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Trakarg wrote...

IMO, Graal and GPS are both > claymore.

I simply wish I could use two shotguns.  GPS for non-headshottable armored mobs, and the graal for everything else.


The GPS probably outputs more damage in the long run then the Claymore but I loath that weapon.  I hate charging that god damn shotgun and the projectile never seems to go where I want it to go, so I'll take my Claymore/Wrath/Talon over the GPS anyday of the week.

The Graal on the otherhand has issues if you're not the host.

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its the most powerful but i still prefer the scimitar or the disciple.

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Krogan soldier + claymore = my Wrex build that top charts. Use carnage for reload cancelling.

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cruc1al wrote...

KainD wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

Claymore is the only gun that can one shot almost every non boss on gold.


No. 


I vote this for the most informative post of the month.


All the information that supports my answer is right on this thread only on previous pages. 

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KainD wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

KainD wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

Claymore is the only gun that can one shot almost every non boss on gold.


No. 


I vote this for the most informative post of the month.


All the information that supports my answer is right on this thread only on previous pages. 


OK, that's cool! -_-

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KainD wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

Claymore is the only gun that can one shot almost every non boss on gold.


No. 


Well my Infiltrator can one-shot anything except an Atlas, Banshee, or Prime. I guess UR DOIN' IT WRONG.

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cruc1al wrote...
OK, that's cool! -_-


He's talking about his wall of text on the GPS.  the GPS can OHK **** just like the claymore when charged.

Other guns that can do what the claymore can: Harpoon and the Graal.  But screw thos two as you'll have to charge them to get the maximum benefit.

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I love the Claymore. A week or two ago I finally gave it a real chance and was consistently doing better with it on my sniper-specced (40% SR dmg) Salarian Infiltrator vs a BW IV. I've now pretty much permanently switched and (stillw/ the 40% SR since I don't need the bonus power and having the flexibility is nice). http://narida.pytalh...es/#41PAKRRS9@0

I use the smartchoke (indispensible for range) and shredder (I'm lazy against Guardians and always find it useful to shoot through cover at least few times a match)...

With my SI build and without ammo or rail bonuses...

Uncloaked, each pellet does 237 dmg. All 8 pellets on a body shot does 1895 dmg. If a single pellet gets a headshot, that pellet alone does 695 dmg. A close-range uncloaked headshot does 5562 dmg.

In cloak, each pellet does 422 dmg. All 8 pellets on a body shot does 3378 dmg. A single cloaked pellet does 1159 dmg. A close-range cloaked headshot does 9270 dmg.

vs armor (and the shredder mod), subtract 18.5 dmg/pellet (148 dmg for all 8). Note, you'll do a fair amount more damage w/ the extended barrel in every scenario (+20 dmg/body pellet, +98 dmg/headshot pellet) so you'll just need to decide how much piercing is worth it.

For shielded/organic/not-actively being BE'd enemies, I'll usually do a cloak-drain-cloaked shot-uncloaked shot cycle vs w/ SR's where it's almost always cloak-drain-cloaked shot(s).

Note w/ how the numbers work out and per-pellet shield gating, that you can fairly easily 1-shot fully-shielded Centurions and Nemeses if either all the pellets hit or you get some headshot pellets.

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Captain_Crouton wrote...

KainD wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

Claymore is the only gun that can one shot almost every non boss on gold.


No. 


Well my Infiltrator can one-shot anything except an Atlas, Banshee, or Prime. I guess UR DOIN' IT WRONG.


I bolded the key part. I'm doing it right. 

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RazRei wrote...

Infiltrator + Claymore + Barrel Mod V + Choke V + AP Ammo I, II, III + Shotgun Rail I, II, III + No Shield Gate = awesome!

The main issue with powerful weapons like the Javelin/Widow is that even with ALL that power its wasted by shield gate. So yes IMO the Claymore is like playing a bolt action sniper but just a bit more fun as you can pretty much one shot all but the bosses with it.


If you're using the geth infiltrator, you won't need the choke due to maphacks. You're better off using armor piercing mod to deal even more damage to armored units.