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[Servant of Nature]

Yeah, see my edit. We don't know much about the rebel qunari and such, minus Sten's biased view of them.

[The Angry One]

Servant of Nature wrote...

EDIT:  Although... hmm.  Broodmothers are females, and female Qunari don't fight.  I'm not sure, then... I know there are Qunari mercenaries, and 'rebels' who believe Qunari society is opressive, perhaps females venture out that way?

Possible but also somewhat unlikely, as darkspawn appear to get most of their.. resources from civilian raids.
Attempting to kidnap and control a subject that can fight back is.. unhealthy at best.

[SpectreNihlus]

The Angry One wrote...

Servant of Nature wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

How do you know Ogres are made from Qunari? I thought the blights had only been confined to Thedas. And the Qunari didn't make their voyage over until around the end of the Blight, and I believe Ogres have been seen in the other blights...

As Sten proves, the arishok apparently get curious and send members of the antaam to 'feel' the world.  It's perfectly plausible (and obviously happened) that some get captured.

The problem with that is, only females become Broodmothers, and no Qunari female is ever made a soldier. In fact they're rarely seen outside their cities.

true but not all qunari are content with how life goes on and some leave evidenced by the qunari mercenaries

im sure there were females that left as well

[Foxd1e]

The Angry One wrote...

The problem with that is, only females become Broodmothers, and no Qunari female is ever made a soldier. In fact they're rarely seen outside their cities.

1) The Darkspawn live underground, this does not mean they are limited to the Deep Roads, although seem to prefer the Dwarven tunnel system. This means they could abduct anymore anywhere anytime.

2) The Qunari captured a few Thedas cities during their first invasion including Par Vollen.


3) A Brood mother is the only way to become a Darkspawn, female's that are infected become female darkspawn-Broodmothers and males that are infected become male darkspawn therefore a Qunari male captured or infected would begin an ogre transformation.

Modifié par Foxd1e, 07 décembre 2009 - 01:44 .

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Um, the codex entry talks about a lone Ogre found outside of a Blight, it was injured and fell easily but it was there all the same.



Also, Sten: No. Hell No, I do not want an Ogre flinging anything besides those damned rocks.



However, food for thought. Dwarves cannot cast magic. Genlocks are made from Dwarven DNA as it were. There are Genlock Emissaries...

[The Angry One]

thegreateski wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

How do you know Ogres are made from Qunari? I thought the blights had only been confined to Thedas. And the Qunari didn't make their voyage over until around the end of the Blight, and I believe Ogres have been seen in the other blights...

It means that they were a recent addition to the Darkspawn.

The contradiction is the lore that says that ogres are traditionally seen in Blights, which follows that Ogres must have been seen in the Blight of 700 years ago.

[Sumix101]

The Angry One wrote...

You know that's somewhat of a contradiction.
Ogres only appear during a Blight, but the last Blight was 700 years ago.. but if Ogres are born from Qunari, the Qunari arrived on Thedas 300 years ago.

Now I suppose the darkspawn may have reached the other side of the world already, but I thought their rapid mobility was due to the deep roads, which don't extend overseas.

Are you sure it is 700 years? I remember 400 years ago, of course I could be misremembering.

[II Relics II]

Yeah, but there weren't that many antaam sent out at a time... Plus, brood mothers are required to eat the flesh of their kin to become what they are, and then more are needed to create the Ogres.

So.... That means they would need quite a few qunari to do this and no doubt the Qunari would fight to the death before being captured.

Modifié par II Relics II, 07 décembre 2009 - 01:40 .

[SpectreNihlus]

another thing



can darkspawn become abominations?



just think how powerful an ogre emissary combined with a pride demon would be



/shudder

[Maria Caliban]

The Angry One wrote...

Ogres only appear during a Blight, but the last Blight was 700 years ago.. but if Ogres are born from Qunari, the Qunari arrived on Thedas 300 years ago.

The last Blight was 400 years ago, but other than that you're correct.

[The Angry One]

II Relics II wrote...

Yeah, but there weren't that many antaam sent out at a time... Plus, brood mothers are required to eat the flesh of their kin to become what they are, and then more are needed to create the Ogres.

Assuming they survive at all, the death rate for potential broodmothers is quite high it says.

[The Angry One]

Meh must've misread. Still that's a 100 year gap, and then there are the Blights prior to that.

Unless they're talking about Ogres made from something else. Maybe horses >_>

[The Angry One]

SpectreNihlus wrote...

another thing

can darkspawn become abominations?

just think how powerful an ogre emissary combined with a pride demon would be

/shudder

Pft I'd stick a pointy sword in it and it'd go down all the same.
And no I doubt it's possible, according to Avernus darkspawn and demons are entirely alien to each other.

[BigKevSexyMan]

As Sten proves, the arishok apparently get curious and send members of the antaam to 'feel' the world. It's perfectly plausible (and obviously happened) that some get captured.

No, I strongly doubt this, as warriors would be the only ones the arishok might send and as women aren't fighters it's highly unlikely that a woman got captured.





Also, how do we know that the ogres aren't new more recent occurence.





One more note, the wiki states the the Qunari are seen around the lands of ferelden four centuries ago. It's possible that they may have existed on their island settlement well before that.



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This is gonna be mean, but I just gotta say something



All dogs have four legs

All cats have four legs

Thus all dogs are cats????

[SpectreNihlus]

II Relics II wrote...

Yeah, but there weren't that many antaam sent out at a time... Plus, brood mothers are required to eat the flesh of their kin to become what they are, and then more are needed to create the Ogres.

who says they have to eat their kin all it says is that to become a broodmother all you need is a female dwarf,human,ect that survives the taint and grows tentacles my guess is the eating of kin is just a bonus or helps the process go faster

[Varenus Luckmann]

The small number of Ogres are obviously related to the small number of Quanari captured.

[SpectreNihlus]

The Angry One wrote...

SpectreNihlus wrote...

another thing

can darkspawn become abominations?

just think how powerful an ogre emissary combined with a pride demon would be

/shudder

Pft I'd stick a pointy sword in it and it'd go down all the same.
And no I doubt it's possible, according to Avernus darkspawn and demons are entirely alien to each other.

true but then how does their magic work then

[Maria Caliban]

The developers once alluded to another intelligent race in Thedas, but that might have been scrapped, or they might have died off what with the elves, dwarves, and humans running around.

[The Angry One]

SpectreNihlus wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

SpectreNihlus wrote...

another thing

can darkspawn become abominations?

just think how powerful an ogre emissary combined with a pride demon would be

/shudder

Pft I'd stick a pointy sword in it and it'd go down all the same.
And no I doubt it's possible, according to Avernus darkspawn and demons are entirely alien to each other.

true but then how does their magic work then

Darkspawn have a connection to the Fade. They're not alien to the Fade, but their physiology is alien to demons to the point they repel each other.

[SpectreNihlus]

Maria Caliban wrote...

The developers once alluded to another intelligent race in Thedas, but that might have been scrapped, or they might have died off what with the elves, dwarves, and humans running around.

hey it is still possible

[Maria Caliban]

You'd think someone would have noticed another intelligent race hanging around.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 07 décembre 2009 - 01:48 .

[Foxd1e]

ahh screw I'm just gonna repost my last post is being lame. Ok heres how Qunari fit into Darkspawn



1) Darkspawn live underground, not just within the Deep Roads although they prefer the Dwarven Tunnel system. That means they can abduct anyone anywhere anytime.



2) During the First Qunari invasion they captured and held several Thedas cities for decades, and still hold Par Vollen.



3) You don't need a Broodmother to become a Darkspawn, it's simple if you are infected and don't undergo the Grey Warden ritual, several horrible things can happen or you transform into a Darkspawn, females that are infected become female darkspawn i.e. Broodmothers and males that are infected become male darkspawn i.e. hurlocks, genlocks, shrieks, and ogres.



Hope that helped.

[The Angry One]

No, male victims become ghouls. Progressively more insane and crippled darkspawn slaves until death.

Females go through mutations that end in becoming a broodmother, or death.

[Jobrill]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

The small number of Ogres are obviously related to the small number of Quanari captured.

What's really scary is imagining what'd happen if the Qunari start another offensive and a foothold in Ferelden or Orlais. Qunari Settlement near the Deep Roads = More Qunari Broodmothers = More Ogres = We're screwed.

[Maria Caliban]

Though we see one dwarf that isn't a ghoul; his brain has just turned to mush. Not a darkspawn though.