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[Volourn]

"They could put one in in future to be "cool" but in all honesty it would be unrealistic."



More 'unrealistic' than females turning into broodmothers or heck how the entire darkspawn saga apparnatly works? Come on. Ther eis nothing in game or in lore that suggest that it is completely impossible for an ogre emissary to exist. The only thing is, since ogres are rare as it is, an emissary version would of course be even rare. If we do see them in DA2, I'd just hope there'd be no more than a handful.

[Foxd1e]

they can become ghouls, they can immediately die and a bunch of other things or they can become actual darkspawn

[thegreateski]

BigKevSexyMan wrote...
All dogs have four legs
All cats have four legs
Thus all dogs are cats????

They're both animals (Darkspawn)

Aside from physical differences they're exactly the same in their motivations and the way they are created.

[The Angry One]

Frankly there are already a whole lot of Ogres.
In my opinion their lack of numbers compared to hurlocks/genlocks may be more due to their maintenance rather than lack of broodmothers; Ogres seem to eat a whole lot and given their size probably need to.

Maria Caliban wrote...

Though we see one dwarf that isn't a ghoul; his brain has just turned to mush. Not a darkspawn though.

I'm thinking his steady consumption of darkspawn meat rather than being force fed a whole lot of darkspawn blood made him partially immune.

[Maria Caliban]

Jobrill wrote...

What's really scary is imagining what'd happen if the Qunari start another offensive and a foothold in Ferelden or Orlais. Qunari Settlement near the Deep Roads = More Qunari Broodmothers = More Ogres = We're screwed.

Well, the qunari would have to plow through the entire continent to get to Ferelden, so I wouldn't worry about that. The qunari have cannons and they might have magics that are effective against darkspawn. I also tend to think that the qunari would pay more attention to the darkspawn when there isn't a Blight.

The Angry One wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Though we see one dwarf that isn't a ghoul; his brain has just turned to mush. Not a darkspawn though.

I'm thinking his steady consumption of darkspawn meat rather than being force fed a whole lot of darkspawn blood made him partially immune.

He might just has a dwarven STD.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 07 décembre 2009 - 01:59 .

[Foxd1e]

Lol why is it so far-fetched that a male that gets infected by Darkspawn can become a Darkspawn himself, when a female can transform into a Broodmother? Just think about that for a second. Human male transforming into a hurlock wouldn't be that big of a transformation, human female transforming into (don't even want to picture the human female broodmother) Broodmother much bigger transformation.



Also by your theory the first blight would of taken forever to get rolling, whereas in the game they made it clear it was under way soon after the magisters were expelled from the golden city.

[SpectreNihlus]

there is still a lot we don't know about the first blight



how it started for one (was it punishment for entering the golden city or something else)

[BigKevSexyMan]

how it started for one (was it punishment for entering the golden city or something else)

It's possible it's not punishment for entering the golden city, but it's highly unlikely that the two major events of physically entering the golden city and the blight starting are completely unrelated.

[thegreateski]

At Ostagar when you first meet Alistair you can ask him about how the Darkspawn came to be.

He will ask you if you want to hear the truth or the Chantry's version.



The "truth" is that the Grey Wardens have no idea where they come from.

[Maria Caliban]

Foxd1e wrote...
Also by your theory the first blight would of taken forever to get rolling, whereas in the game they made it clear it was under way soon after the magisters were expelled from the golden city.

The first Blight lasted 200 years. We have no idea how long it took the darkspawn horde to grow in size until it attacked the Imperium. We do know that the dwarves encountered the darkspawn for several years before they attacked en mass.

[SpectreNihlus]

thegreateski wrote...

At Ostagar when you first meet Alistair you can ask him about how the Darkspawn came to be.
He will ask you if you want to hear the truth or the Chantry's version.

The "truth" is that the Grey Wardens have no idea where they come from.

true but that doesn't mean that the chantry's version is incorrect

hell Duncan in the intro says the chantry's version of how things happened

[The Angry One]

The origin of the darkspawn is apocryphal and can't be used at the basis for anything.

While some ghouls do seem to fight alongside darkspawn, they're still recognizable as who they were (the bar story about the guy who faced his own darkspawn-enslaved brother in battle).

[The Angry One]

SpectreNihlus wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

At Ostagar when you first meet Alistair you can ask him about how the Darkspawn came to be.
He will ask you if you want to hear the truth or the Chantry's version.

The "truth" is that the Grey Wardens have no idea where they come from.

true but that doesn't mean that the chantry's version is incorrect

hell Duncan in the intro says the chantry's version of how things happened

He also begins with something like "legends say".
It's an intro meant for dramatization, not historical fact.

[Foxd1e]

lol so the Magisters had to and knew to hunt down women of all races to grow the darkspawn horde? I don't believe it, believe what I say or not but I think anyone in Dragon Age that's male can turn into a Hurlock, Genlock etc.. that matches to their race, along with the other effects.

Also if you watch the intro video with the darkspawn attacking the dwarves this was either before or during the first blight, you see that all the darkspawn are hurlocks or genlocks no ghouls, where are they?

Modifié par Foxd1e, 07 décembre 2009 - 02:25 .

[Studly McFugly]

Kanner wrote...

"We're not brainless anymore!"

"I've got the brain!"

"Nuh-uh!"

We have a winner.

[Foxd1e]

@The Angry One

actually his exact words are The Chantry teaches us... and then he tells the story

[Rainen89]

They also say that washing your feet in winter makes you catch cold in the head, but we all know that is not true." the great thing about fiction is that there's no real way to know. All we do know for sure is that darkspawn are the result of broodmothers, but a broodmother is a heavily corrupted female who's been tainted beyond belief. I don't think the chantry's version is right but it's obvious they came from something. The fact that they're based and confirmed to be based off living races. Human - Hurlock Dwarf - Genlock Ogre - Qunari Shriek - Elf (Seriously?) Makes the chantry's version as good as any. Who knows, maybe darkspawn is really just a seriously bad cold you get with...drastic side effects.

[thegreateski]

Studly McFugly wrote...

Kanner wrote...

"We're not brainless anymore!"

"I've got the brain!"

"Nuh-uh!"

We have a winner.

But what if they're actually REALLY SMART... and talk with a funny british accent.

For all we know those roars could actually mean this:

"Would you like a spot o' tea 'fore I crush yer head in govna?"

[Jitawa]

Foxd1e wrote...

lol so the Magisters had to and knew to hunt down women of all races to grow the darkspawn horde? I don't believe it, believe what I say or not but I think anyone in Dragon Age that's male can turn into a Hurlock, Genlock etc.. that matches to their race, along with the other effects.

Also if you watch the intro video with the darkspawn attacking the dwarves this was either before or during the first blight, you see that all the darkspawn are hurlocks or genlocks no ghouls, where are they?

The magisters went and tainted an old god, they didn't seem too bright post-taint.  Apparently anything with the taint (Darkspawn, ghouls) will mindlessly search for the old gods to awaken/taint them to give themselves a leader (this is explicitly stated, but it isn't known why).  There is some sketchyness to the "first" darkspawn.  The chantry says the magisters -were- the first darkspawn, so it's possible some of them may be become broodmothers?  Or on the path to become them anyway.

Ghouls are a comparitively rare event.  The taint is a death sentence for -all- people that get it.  Most people die right away.  Some become ghouls, serving the darkspawn.  Even then, the material suggests that ghouls live a few months tops before succumbing to the taint.

The closest thing to an exception is broodmothers, they were "once" human/etc. but were fed tainted flesh until it either killed them or they grew and grew and... bam.  Darkspawn are referred to as soul-less vessels when the matter of the Archdemon's soul moving around is spoken of.  This is interesting in that Broodmothers theoretically have a soul, since they were once normal and went insane.  An archdemon soul is killed when they try to fly into a Grey Warden because they already have a soul.  So, if a Broodmother could be Blood Controlled to have the killing strike on an Archdemon - BAM... Archdemon be-gone.

All actual darkspawn come from Broodmothers, this is explicitly stated as well.  The Angry One has a point about the years not matching up for ogres to have even been present in previous blights.

[MBirkhofer]

The Angry One wrote...

SpectreNihlus wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

SpectreNihlus wrote...

another thing

can darkspawn become abominations?

just think how powerful an ogre emissary combined with a pride demon would be

/shudder

Pft I'd stick a pointy sword in it and it'd go down all the same.
And no I doubt it's possible, according to Avernus darkspawn and demons are entirely alien to each other.

true but then how does their magic work then

Darkspawn have a connection to the Fade. They're not alien to the Fade, but their physiology is alien to demons to the point they repel each other.

It is specifically mentioned that darkspawn are "foreign" to demons.   not repel.  They are alien to the fade.  Demons have no knowledge of them.     the only connection is Archdemons, which communicate via the fade.  Which is an High dragon trait.

Yes, the Qunari contradiction is odd.  And I noted it as well.
Sten is in Fereldan to answer a question.  What is the Blight?  The Qunari did not know what a Blight was, and I'm pretty sure did not know what darkspawn were either.   So again, where did these Qunari broodmothers come from? 

[II Relics II]

Actually, people who become tainted do not "turn" into darkspawn. They are called to the deep roads where the darkspawn take them to a brood mother. Though what the brood mother does to the tainted is not known. There could be a ritual or she could just eat them, all we know is that the darkspawn need people to reproduce.

Modifié par II Relics II, 07 décembre 2009 - 03:31 .

[Deflagratio]

A better question is, how are there Genlock emissaries? Qunari Mages exist, though technically an Emissary doesn't NEED to be a mage (But they always are except in the Fade).

Ogre Alpha's might just be the "Emissaries" in that case.

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But since Genlocks are born from a Dwarven Broodmother, how the hell can they have Mages?


Addendum: Qunari don't need to know about the blight to be captured by Darkspawn. Qunari are on Thedas at Par Vollen. The Deep Roads run through all of Thedas. It's perfectly reasonable to think that Darkspan raid and take the Qunari. As the Sergeant in Ostagar said, "We're getting reports of things we've never even seen before, massive things" I believe this is a reference to the Ogres. The Qunari had not landed on the Thedas from their home continent until after the last blight. That's just the information I cobbled together though.

Modifié par Deflagratio, 07 décembre 2009 - 03:38 .

[Maria Caliban]

By the time the broodmother is giving birth, I'd say its nature is completely altered.



Even if you see dwarven broodmothers as retaining whatever it is that disconnects dwarves from the Fade, the taint impregnates them, so genlocks would be half-dwarves at best.

[Original182]

If Bioware wants to make emissary ogres in future, I don't see why not. As been stated, genlocks emissaries are made by dwarf broodmothers, and we know dwarves can't be mages. So from a lore point of view, they can just make something up and make emissary ogres plausible.

Like say, emissary ogres have 2 heads. So they have enough intelligence to cast spells.

Modifié par Original182, 07 décembre 2009 - 06:28 .

[DalVel]

Darkspawn aren't generally too smart, so Ogre Emissary isn't any more unusual that Genlock Emissary.

But count how many genlock emissaries you see in comparison to regular genlocks... and then make the same calculation with how many ogres you'd have to see it see one emissary.