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[Erield]

RShara wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Coachdongwiffle wrote...

i kind of like it. it's unique I don't like that everybody wanted all LI's to play out the same way. Sure it sucks if you romanced him but it happens. Same with Thane dieing...still not sure why they didn't let Jack join if you romanced her and left Tali with the fleet (for the record Tali was my LI but I'm just curious)

Then write it better. Don't just toss in two lines of dialog acknowledging the romance.

And if it had happened to a LI that you liked?  Can you imaging the rage if it had been Tali that had dumped Shepard for Kal'Reegar?????

I can't imagine anyone liking Jacob, let alone romancing him.  Tali is awesome and useful; Jacob is neither.  He is the sugar-free, low-fat, discount off-brand vanilla ice cream.  "I have a troubled past, because my dad was never there, but he did a good job of instilling values of virtue and loyalty and honesty in me so I'm good."  Characters just don't get any more bland, basic, and generic than he was.  I don't even dislike the guy; there's not enough there for me to form a real opinion.

[Darth_Trethon]

humes spork wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Not really no....what's done is done and cannot be undone, no reason to preserve anything....simply eliminating them should be good enough.

"Waaaah" is not the safeword.

You missunderstand....there would be no crying or hard feelings left for shep....it's about action and consequence. Would you really want some poor child to suffer at Jacob's hands? You saw how Jacob turned out with his father....best to end that trend right there.

Hell my Shep only ever romanced Tali but still....Jacob's character should be quite clear and besides it's like Shep told Jack in ME2....a bullet to the head solves solves anything.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 21 avril 2012 - 12:12 .

[grey_wind]

RedTail F22 wrote...

Anyone else pissed the one guy to cheat is the black guy? I was. It's bad enough his dad was already a sh****y person but Jacob at least made up for it in ME2. Then Bioware does this. WTF.

Guess my Shepard is the only decent black guy left in the universe during that time period.

I feel that was just an unfortunate coincidence. But that problem should have never existed to begin with.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Terraforming2154 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Well it does kind of fall into the zone of "why create content that most are not going to experience or see anyway as opposed to doing something most would care about and having better game quality".....I am having a hard time trying to come up with reasons to justify BioWare spending time and money on this when nobody like him anyway.

Well that's the downside of offering choice, I suppose. I understand what you are saying, but I doubt it would have sucked up Bioware's resources to give a romanced Shepard like two throwaway lines and slightly different conversation at the Hospital.
I really don't know what they were thinking by making a romance option a skeezy cheater - did people who romanced Jacob make the "wrong" choice in ME3 and had to be punished for it? 

Honestly? I felt like that with both Jacob and Thane. After romancing both in ME2 and seeing how it played out, I was not only annoyed in terms of characterization, but I felt railroaded. Jacob cheats, and there's barely any dialog changes. When he shows up at the hospital later and talks about the new baby, it's the exact same conversation as a non-romanced Jacob. There are no changes. Just a couple of lines acknowledging the romance early on, Brynn rubbing it in your face, and that's it. It was incredibly lazy. Turn around to Thane, who doesn't get a word of mourning, no achievement, and how Shepard is hit on by Diana, Samantha and Kaidan directly after his death...gotta say, I thought it would make me feel better about Jacob's treatment, knowing it wasn't isolated to just him. It didn't.

Seriously, if they're going to have a LI cheat, more effort should have been put into it. It didn't even feel like the same character, and it's obvious it was only done for resources. Just because he was the least popular LI doesn't mean he deserves this kind of treatment.

[RShara]

Erield wrote...

RShara wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Coachdongwiffle wrote...

i kind of like it. it's unique I don't like that everybody wanted all LI's to play out the same way. Sure it sucks if you romanced him but it happens. Same with Thane dieing...still not sure why they didn't let Jack join if you romanced her and left Tali with the fleet (for the record Tali was my LI but I'm just curious)

Then write it better. Don't just toss in two lines of dialog acknowledging the romance.

And if it had happened to a LI that you liked?  Can you imaging the rage if it had been Tali that had dumped Shepard for Kal'Reegar?????

I can't imagine anyone liking Jacob, let alone romancing him.  Tali is awesome and useful; Jacob is neither.  He is the sugar-free, low-fat, discount off-brand vanilla ice cream.  "I have a troubled past, because my dad was never there, but he did a good job of instilling values of virtue and loyalty and honesty in me so I'm good."  Characters just don't get any more bland, basic, and generic than he was.  I don't even dislike the guy; there's not enough there for me to form a real opinion.

But just because you didn't find him interesting, does that mean you think people who DID should be punished for it?  I like Liara, she's useful enough.  But I find her voice monotonous, and her constant come ons kind of creepy.  But I would never say, "Liara's boring, so she should be the one to dump Shepard."

[Rogue Unit]

Now that "She deserves a better man that I" line finally makes sense. I guess we know why that relationship ended now.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

pfft crap character anyway almost as bad as Kaiden

[Jestina]

He got the prize and he's moving on.

And of course it was the token black guy in your squad that was cheating. So much for Bioware being progressive.

[RShara]

DinoSteve wrote...

pfft crap character anyway almost as bad as Kaiden

How'd you feel if someone who didn't like Garrus came in and said that about Garrus?  Or if Bioware had decided Garrus found dextro/amino too icky and dumped Shepard?

[Dendio1]

the_geo_law wrote...

Please tell me this is not true.
I thought Jacob was a good guy...
why would he cheat on you?

Jacob is a good guy. Hes also human. Shep locked herself up for half a year and during that time Jacob found a friendship and more with another good woman and her group of scientists. Jacob is his own person. He isn't just going to sit on his hands and wait. That doesn't make him bad or good. That just his personality, and his choice.

I wouldn't have a problem if miranda was the same way. It just adds a level of realness to the characters...that they aren't all soulless bricks waiting for you to choose your pick.

Shepard can also cheat on his love interest. Some like liara got over it quickly, and some like ash made a bigger deal about it.

Off screen shepard apparently decided to isolate herself. We don't know if she said anything to jacob. The dialogue suggests she didn't ask him to wait, so much as assumed he would. Shepard can also push jacob to get with her despite his new girlfriend. Does that make her bad? No. It makes her human.

Modifié par Dendio1, 21 avril 2012 - 01:27 .

[humes spork]

grey_wind wrote...

RedTail F22 wrote...

Anyone else pissed the one guy to cheat is the black guy? I was. It's bad enough his dad was already a sh****y person but Jacob at least made up for it in ME2. Then Bioware does this. WTF.

Guess my Shepard is the only decent black guy left in the universe during that time period.

I feel that was just an unfortunate coincidence. But that problem should have never existed to begin with.

You're kidding, right? That whole thing was so mind-bogglingly stereotypical that I was honestly surprised you didn't get to the end of that loyalty mission and Jacob's father is right there, eating a giant ****in' bucket of fried chicken.

Modifié par humes spork, 21 avril 2012 - 12:18 .

[RShara]

Dendio1 wrote...

the_geo_law wrote...

Please tell me this is not true.
I thought Jacob was a good guy...
why would he cheat on you?

Jacob is a good guy. Hes also human. Shep locked herself up for half a year and during that time Jacob found a friendship and more with another good woman and her group of scientists. Jacob is his own person. He isn't just going to sit on his hands and wait. That doesn't make him bad or good. That just his personality, and his choice.

I wouldn't have a problem if miranda was the same way. It just adds a level of realness to the characters...that they aren't all soulless bricks waiting for you to choose your pick.

Shepard can also cheat on his love interest. Some like liara got over it quickly, and some like ash made a bigger deal about it.

Stop mindlessly complaining about jacob. Off screen shepard apparently decided to isolate herself. We don't know if she said anything to jacob. The dialogue suggests she didn't ask him to wait, so much as assumed he would. Shepard can also push jacob to get with her despite his new girlfriend. Does that make her bad? No. It makes her human.

Um Shepard was in PRISON for 6 months, for saving the galaxy again.

So Jacob's thinking would basically have to be, "I love Shepard, but she's in prison for doing what she had to and saving my life again, don't wanna wait, let's get it on, Brynn." ?

Modifié par RShara, 21 avril 2012 - 12:18 .

[Dendio1]

humes spork wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

RedTail F22 wrote...

Anyone else pissed the one guy to cheat is the black guy? I was. It's bad enough his dad was already a sh****y person but Jacob at least made up for it in ME2. Then Bioware does this. WTF.

Guess my Shepard is the only decent black guy left in the universe during that time period.

I feel that was just an unfortunate coincidence. But that problem should have never existed to begin with.

You're kidding, right? That whole thing was so mind-bogglingly stereotypical that I was honestly surprised you didn't find Jacob's father eating out of a giant ****in' bucket of KFC.

Get beyond the steriotypes. You limit your perspective by only viewing through such lens. Accept jacob as a human. Race within race isn't even an issue in mass effect. Jacob is a male human who found love elsewhere, while shepard isolated herself from the world. Its life. People move on. I was half expecting Liara and Feron got a little intimate during shepard two year recovery.

[RShara]

Liara would never have done that because she's BW's canon romance. The blue space chick! SHE CAN'T POSSIBLY CHEAT.
Only the black guy can do that.

[Dendio1]

RShara wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

the_geo_law wrote...

Please tell me this is not true.
I thought Jacob was a good guy...
why would he cheat on you?

Jacob is a good guy. Hes also human. Shep locked herself up for half a year and during that time Jacob found a friendship and more with another good woman and her group of scientists. Jacob is his own person. He isn't just going to sit on his hands and wait. That doesn't make him bad or good. That just his personality, and his choice.

I wouldn't have a problem if miranda was the same way. It just adds a level of realness to the characters...that they aren't all soulless bricks waiting for you to choose your pick.

Shepard can also cheat on his love interest. Some like liara got over it quickly, and some like ash made a bigger deal about it.

Stop mindlessly complaining about jacob. Off screen shepard apparently decided to isolate herself. We don't know if she said anything to jacob. The dialogue suggests she didn't ask him to wait, so much as assumed he would. Shepard can also push jacob to get with her despite his new girlfriend. Does that make her bad? No. It makes her human.

Um Shepard was in PRISON for 6 months, for saving the galaxy again.

So Jacob's thinking would basically have to be, "I love Shepard, but she's in prison for doing what she had to and saving my life again, don't wanna wait, let's get it on, Brynn." ?

Jack put it best. Shepard volunteered her captivity. She was not in prision, she was mearly kept on watch and the military took good care of her. Comfy beds and good food were her words. It doesn't seem shepard went out of her way to keep in contact with jacob. When they meet its infered that they haven't spoken in quite a while. We were not there when shepard last saw him. We don't know the terms of their relationship when shepard surrendered herself to the alliance military survallience.

[RShara]

Which is another bone to pick, since a lot of renegade Sheps would never have "surrendered" anything
And I'm pretty sure she was under house arrest, not supposed to talk to anyone. They grounded Shepard and took away the Normandy. Doesn't really sound like they were just watching her.

[Dendio1]

RShara wrote...

Liara would never have done that because she's BW's canon romance. The blue space chick! SHE CAN'T POSSIBLY CHEAT.
Only the black guy can do that.

The game didn't say that. You are saying that. You are painting your own steriotypes on the game world. Does the fact that jacob cheated on you mean that all cerberus men cheat? Does the fact that jacob cheated on you mean that you can't trust former alliance military men who defect? How about jacob cheating meaning that men with the letter J in their name are not loyal? O wait...i see you chose the fact that he was black...and decided to focus on that...ah...well maybe its a you problem.

Modifié par Dendio1, 21 avril 2012 - 12:28 .

[AwesomeDudex64]

"Because he's black."

[grey_wind]

humes spork wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

RedTail F22 wrote...

Anyone else pissed the one guy to cheat is the black guy? I was. It's bad enough his dad was already a sh****y person but Jacob at least made up for it in ME2. Then Bioware does this. WTF.

Guess my Shepard is the only decent black guy left in the universe during that time period.

I feel that was just an unfortunate coincidence. But that problem should have never existed to begin with.

You're kidding, right? That whole thing was so mind-bogglingly stereotypical that I was honestly surprised you didn't get to the end of that loyalty mission and Jacob's father is right there, eating a giant ****in' bucket of fried chicken.

I was talking about Jacob cheating on you.
And what his father did was monstrous, and I think you're reading way too much into it. Nobody attributes it to the fact that Ronald Taylor was black, just a person completely corrupted by power. Seriously, ME2 is full of lunatics and megalomaniacs of different ethnicities, now you're just demanding political correctness to absurd degrees.
Lastly, you forget: before ME3, Jacob was everything his father wasn't, and probably the most normal person on your crew. But he wasn't black, was he? <_<

Modifié par grey_wind, 21 avril 2012 - 12:28 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Dendio1 wrote...

Get beyond the steriotypes. You limit your perspective by only viewing through such lens. Accept jacob as a human. Race within race isn't even an issue in mass effect. Jacob is a male human who found love elsewhere, while shepard isolated herself from the world. Its life. People move on. I was half expecting Liara and Feron got a little intimate during shepard two year recovery.

I don't give a damn about Jacob but no, it's not "life", it's cheating and it's not like Shep had a choice about being taken into custody....and Shep was only gone six freaking months...it's not like Shep was dead or even gone that long. It would not take much to cap the both of them(Jacob and Brynn) as they deserve and move on.

[RShara]

We don't know the terms of the relationship between ANYONE when Shepard gets taken by the Alliance. Token black guy cheats. Okay. What else is supposed to be read into it? There is a very obvious connection here.
Whether it's what BW intended or not, that's how many people perceive it.

Let's face it. All of the popular romances got satisfactory conclusions, and all of the subsidiaries got crap.

If BW wanted to be daring, they would have had one of the mainstream romances dump Shepard. Instead they chose the ones with the smallest bases to poop all over.

I'd also like to point out, I don't actually LIKE the Jacob romance. Not my cup of tea at all. But I will fight tooth and nail for those that DO, because they deserve the same treatment as the popular romances.

[Dendio1]

Stop caring about his race. Look beyond his skin color. That's all im asking. Judge his character and the decisions he makes, sure. But you should view him as a human and nothing more the same way you view Ash and Kaiden. Mass effect doesn't differentiate between race within race. People in this thread shouldn't either. Especially when considering a universe which is blind to such distinctions.

Modifié par Dendio1, 21 avril 2012 - 12:33 .

[grey_wind]

RShara wrote...

We don't know the terms of the relationship between ANYONE when Shepard gets taken by the Alliance. Token black guy cheats. Okay. What else is supposed to be read into it? There is a very obvious connection here.
Whether it's what BW intended or not, that's how many people perceive it.

Let's face it. All of the popular romances got satisfactory conclusions, and all of the subsidiaries got crap.

If BW wanted to be daring, they would have had one of the mainstream romances dump Shepard. Instead they chose the ones with the smallest bases to poop all over.

I'd also like to point out, I don't actually LIKE the Jacob romance. Not my cup of tea at all. But I will fight tooth and nail for those that DO, because they deserve the same treatment as the popular romances.

It's not even the subsidiary romances that got screwed over. I'd argue that Thane, Miranda and Jack were just as popular as Ash and Kaidan. But for some reason BioWare only seemed to put any effort into the ME1 cast. The entire ME2 cast that was so intricately written is just an afterthought.

Modifié par grey_wind, 21 avril 2012 - 12:35 .

[Dendio1]

grey_wind wrote...

RShara wrote...

We don't know the terms of the relationship between ANYONE when Shepard gets taken by the Alliance. Token black guy cheats. Okay. What else is supposed to be read into it? There is a very obvious connection here.
Whether it's what BW intended or not, that's how many people perceive it.

Let's face it. All of the popular romances got satisfactory conclusions, and all of the subsidiaries got crap.

If BW wanted to be daring, they would have had one of the mainstream romances dump Shepard. Instead they chose the ones with the smallest bases to poop all over.

I'd also like to point out, I don't actually LIKE the Jacob romance. Not my cup of tea at all. But I will fight tooth and nail for those that DO, because they deserve the same treatment as the popular romances.

It's not even the subsidiary romances that got screwed over. I'd argue that Thane, Miranda and Jack were just as popular as Ash and Kaidan. But for some reason BioWare only seemed to put any effort into the ME1 cast. The entire ME2 cast that was so intricately written is just an afterthought.

 All of the ME2 cast were secondary in one way or another to the ME1 cast. We don't have data showing how much attention each love interest got, so its unfair to separate jacob's relationship importance from any other me2 relationships.

Modifié par Dendio1, 21 avril 2012 - 01:30 .

[Phydeaux314]

I think it's a reasonable thing to expect to happen. Sad, yes, makes me think a little less of him... but also a reality. People do move on, sometimes before another person does. I like that it came up. I just feel bad for the people who played Shepards that stayed faithful.