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[PsyrenY]

Zeus_Memnon wrote...

Sorry if you misundertood.  I was not making any reference to whether he portrayed renegade or paragon tendencies.  I was talking about how the character was portrayed over the span of 3 games.  ME Galaxy, ME2, and finally ME3.  You get the opportunity to determine how shepherd behaves.

When do you get the opportunity to decide how Jacob behaves??

No, I understood you perfectly. You said "he saved the Citadel and the Council, then became a douchebag" as though the first shouldn't lead to the second. I pointed out "Renegade Shepard can do all of those things as well; it isn't necessarily inconsistent, because one can be both dutiful and unpleasant."

[Zardoc]

Zkyire wrote...

RShara wrote...

I know more than one person who would have taken the Normandy and either joined Cerberus for real, or started up their own mercenary group to fight the Reapers. Or been dragged kicking and screaming to Earth.

As I said, some arrogant players who had hurt pride might have done that.

But Commander Shepard would not (and did not).

A Shepard who is lawful stupid would not. I find the very idea of Shepard being dragged to Earth to stand trial for "crimes" nobody even has proof or indication he commited mind boggling. The only 2 persons who actually knew about the whole "Project" thing are Shepard and Hackett, and unless Hackett is a giant douchebag and ratted you out there is literally no proof for anything and no grounds for any charges whatsoever. And just think what Shepard might have been able to do in those 6 months had he not been inprisoned by the Alliance.

Modifié par Zardoc, 21 avril 2012 - 03:12 .

[Zeus_Memnon]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Zeus_Memnon wrote...

Sorry if you misundertood.  I was not making any reference to whether he portrayed renegade or paragon tendencies.  I was talking about how the character was portrayed over the span of 3 games.  ME Galaxy, ME2, and finally ME3.  You get the opportunity to determine how shepherd behaves.

When do you get the opportunity to decide how Jacob behaves??

No, I understood you perfectly. You said "he saved the Citadel and the Council, then became a douchebag" as though the first shouldn't lead to the second. I pointed out "Renegade Shepard can do all of those things as well; it isn't necessarily inconsistent, because one can be both dutiful and unpleasant."

You did miss my point.....again.  You as the player control Shepherd.  YOU decide whether he/she is renegade or paragon.  When do you decide other characters behavior?? You don't. Bioware does and they decided Jacob needed to do what he did and that behavior is inconsistent with past behavior over 3 games.  That's the point I'm making.  It that clearer for you now?

[stevefox1200]

It would not be so bad if they had, you know, had more development

as it stands its

Jacob: I got another girl pregnate and i am staying with her

Brynn: He is better with me anyway and I deserve him

Shepard: Ok, cool baby. See you later

Feels rushed and underdeveloped but could have been a cool plot point

(Funny how Jacob cheats when Miranda is the one who wants casual hookups on the extranet)

Modifié par stevefox1200, 21 avril 2012 - 03:23 .

[PsyrenY]

Zeus_Memnon wrote...

You did miss my point.....again.  You as the player control Shepherd.  YOU decide whether he/she is renegade or paragon.  When do you decide other characters behavior?? You don't. Bioware does and they decided Jacob needed to do what he did and that behavior is inconsistent with past behavior over 3 games.  That's the point I'm making.  It that clearer for you now?

No, I still haven't. You're saying his behavior in a combat/defense situation (saving Citadel/Council) should dictate how he behaves in a relationship. I'm saying those two events are completely unrelated.

[Jagri]

Jacob: I got another girl pregnate and i am staying with her

Brynn: He is better with me anyway and I deserve him

*Renegade Interruption* Shepard: Oh Jacob you know how what your father did eats at you from time to time? Well guess what the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. You deserve each other.

[Portia Cousland]

Yeah, I found that whole scenario with Jacob quite disgusting actually. I never romanced him because he totally turned me off when he opened his mouth but I find what they did to his character and his fans rather offensive. 

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that BioWare went through the trouble of included "consequences" for a "cheating" Shepard to his VS/LI. Never mind the fact that a) Shepard died was told off by VS/LI on Horizon c) VS/LI completely ignores Shepard when s/he is incarcerated.

Yet they felt it was okay to have Jacob get with and knock up another woman while his "love" is incarcerated and all within a span of six months, yet there are no "consequences" for him, Shepard doesn't even have the ability to really respond. If they were going to put such a loaded scenario together - they needed to handle it with much more sensitivity and thoughtfulness than they did.  

It's clear to me that they pretty much just slapped together some lines for the romanced ME2 LIs due to resource limitations, and let me tell you, it's only going to get worse.

Modifié par Portia Cousland, 21 avril 2012 - 03:58 .

[Cobra's_back]

Poshible wrote...

sth88 wrote...

Nuchy wrote...

How could he cheat on you if you didnt romance him in ME2?

Yeah...

...That was part of the question, no?

He sure get's around. He even had a piece of Miranda. Of course, my Shep would not touch him.

My Shepard won't go there either.

[In Exile]

RedTail F22 wrote...
No doubt. I think most people here understand that anyone is capable of cheating not just blacks. Its just the fact that in America at least Black guys get unfairly stereotyped as unable to maintain one relationship without having an affair. So the fact that Bioware, out of all the characters they have created, decides to make it the one black guy that does this.... well it raises some questions. Why did it have to be the one black guy? Why not Kaiden or Miranda? (Not suggesting this for those who had those 2 as LI, no one deserves that).

Maybe that helps explain it.

Does it make a difference for you, then, that Bioware is Canadian (at least, the Edmonton Studio is), and in Canada (at least, in my experience) there's no such stereotype at all?

[Cobra's_back]

Nauks wrote...

I know what you mean OP.
I never ever romanced Jacob and would never dream of doing so, but he still cheated on me in ME3 wtf! >

Hehe, oh something else, to rub salt in the wounds of those 2 Jacob romancers out there, in ME2 he says that Miranda is too good for him  but of course Shepard isn't.

How can he cheat if you never romanced him. Does he say something stupid?

[Nimrodell]

So basically, Jacob is new Horizon Kaidan? Well, there's some consistency there lol. I feel for those who romanced Kaidan, got told off by him at Horizon, then romanced Jacob and got spurned again... Especially if they did Ardat-Yakshi monastery first, then told Kaidan to 'be friends' and then went to save their love... uh, that's just wicked. Poor those Shepards, I feel for them and in the same time, I find this hilarious (I know, it's not cool, but you have to admit it, it's truly tough luck).

[Elite Midget]

Jacob ditched you before you could dump him for Liara.

[Jestina]

The writers were probably listening to some gangsta rap and sipping forty's when they came up with this stuff.

[ArchDuck]

grey_wind wrote...

RedTail F22 wrote...

Anyone else pissed the one guy to cheat is the black guy? I was. It's bad enough his dad was already a sh****y person but Jacob at least made up for it in ME2. Then Bioware does this. WTF.

Guess my Shepard is the only decent black guy left in the universe during that time period.

I feel that was just an unfortunate coincidence. But that problem should have never existed to begin with.

^^

[ArchDuck]

Im sure they didn't intend to offend any given ethnicity or people of a certain melanin level. But it was still lazy to not have a bit more conversation/plot around the point if he had been a LI.

Modifié par ArchDuck, 21 avril 2012 - 05:32 .

[Mr Fancy Pants]

Of course Jacob cheats on you. He realizes femshep requires a better man than him.

[PsyrenY]

RedTail F22 wrote...

Anyone else pissed the one guy to cheat is the black guy? I was. It's bad enough his dad was already a sh****y person but Jacob at least made up for it in ME2. Then Bioware does this. WTF.

Guess my Shepard is the only decent black guy left in the universe during that time period.

Your avatar makes this unbelievably ironic.

[Dendio1]

Jestina wrote...

The writers were probably listening to some gangsta rap and sipping forty's when they came up with this stuff.

Sigh...

Edit:
O wait im on the internet...

Modifié par Dendio1, 21 avril 2012 - 05:54 .

[Ski Mask Wei]

Jacob fans definitely got a raw deal. They even scrapped his part of the Normandy! I would **** more but ME3's ending needs those resources.

[SilentK]

Gah.... I just got dumped last night with my FemShep who romanced Jacob. It wasn't pretty.

It is not automatically bad that something new and unexpected happens, it surprised my FemShep and that is good. I like being surprised by the game. But I do not like how it was handled. In ME2 Jacob was such a goodytwoshoes.

ME2: The man says "I love you"
LotSB: Liara comments that Jacob is a stable man, FemShep will need that stability in the future

There are a lot of shared lines between the dialouge for a romanced FemShep and just a friend for Jacob. If the line that "Normandy is their real love" sounded strange for a friend I can assure you that it feels very very strange in the romanced version.

Jacob: I want a family
FemShep: Jacob, I want that too. One day
Jacob: think we both know the Normandy's your real love

Oki, Jacob is now turned into a jerk, but by the gods of all things fluffy, let me react to that. Don't end it with "Glad we had a chance to talk"-thing to end the convo after that. You cannot react at all. If the situation infuriates you, there is no good way to react.

And in the shuttle leaving. After Brynn has pretty much said "Hi, I stole your man. Now save my life  :devil:" you are yet again saying. "Jacob. I need you on the Normandy". Oki, that convo is for those who perhaps didn't go in to the other room in the base to talk to him, if you didn't do that there hasn't been a explanation for why he can't join the Normandy again. But a romanced FemShep who just has saved her now sleazy ex and his trollop would not beg him to come back a second time. At all. So in reality you're pretty much dumped twice, because once wasn't enough. And then it is the convo at the hospital when Brynn wants to name their love-child after FemShep....



Surprising things should happen, I blanked out that entire mission from my memory as far as my FemShep goes. Just pretended that it had been a good convo and had a blast roleplaying her. It really was fun. First she got drunk with Cortez, talking about how you have move on and stuff, then she woke up next to Aria. Shot bottles with Garrus completely hungover and turned down Kaidan because it was too soon after Jacob and she was still confused. She also told Joker to go for EDI, because life is to short.


Here's Aria, judging FemShep, savior of the Galaxy currently plastered on her sofa. Wish I coul know what the grunts over at the bar makes of it, lol


I do not dislike it because he left. I dislike it because those convos are so very very strange and doesn't feel like Jacob. He is military, he should be able to wait more than 6 months. Wish that FemShep could have a girltalk with Ash, think that since she comes from a military family she would have a thing or two to say about that. And if they decided just to turn him into a jerk, let FemShep react to it. It could have been a great opportunity to have a heart to heart with Ash about dating the wrong guy. The Williams sisters do have some prior experience after all. Or perhaps with Cortez on how to move on after loss. Tali, little-sis comes to pick up FemShep who feels blue. Her crew taking care of FemShep for a change since it's usually Shepard who runs after everyone else. Kaidan could have had a different intro to his romance-arc. "I see your heart is broken, let me help you mending it".

It isn't wrong that he left, it is the way it has dealt with, and that they have a very interesting situation that they don't do anything with. This could have been role playing gold since nothing like this has happend to a Shepard before. But it is just left hanging.

Modifié par SilentK, 21 avril 2012 - 10:17 .

[RShara]

SilentK, all my sympathies. We're having a pity party in Life Support. Booze is on the house. A lot of our Shepards ended up waking next to Aria then, too. Odd...

[SilentK]

RShara wrote...

SilentK, all my sympathies. We're having a pity party in Life Support. Booze is on the house. A lot of our Shepards ended up waking next to Aria then, too. Odd...

Ahh   =)   great, I'm there! I'll get some chips and dipp. Aria has got a big sofa, there's room for some more of us.

[KingNothing125]

Yeah that was some kind of sick joke... like the writers were thinking up things to do with Jacob.

"Hey, let's let him meet a chick and start a family."

"Cool beans. But what if FemShep romanced him? We could make him have a professional relationship with Dr. Cole. Cuz, you know, we're already doing something like that for Shep/Tali/Garrus."

"Nah, that's too much work. Let's just make him cheat on FemShep! It's the same amount of work for the voice actors, but it's less work for us!"

Somebody shoulda gotten canned for that.

[Little Princess Peach]

you know funny thing is I went back to me2 tried to kill off jacob but I ended up saving the whole damn crew >< it's like Bioware never wanted him to die after that I jut delted my Romance with him and stayed with KAIDAN

[Vigil_N7]

What I don't understand is that its not like Ashley/Kaidan where Shepard was actually KILLED and DEAD for two years - Shepard was in prison for a couple of MONTHS at best.

At least Jacob should have the decency to let fem shep down sooner, but nope, while female shepard was in prison, Jacob was knocking up some scientist.

What a guy.