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[Sabriana]

The one thing I'm worried about the most is wether DA3 will use an intrusive, malware, file-spying DRM. I will never allow such a thing to infest my computer. I have no clue how such an intrusive malware will affect the console users, so an explanation is appeciated. I would never purchase ME3 because of the "Origin" malware, although I did play it on a friends' xbox.

Origin has a very bad reputation, Steam is right behind it. I'm getting sick and tired of being treated like a potential thief, I  have never even considered pirating any game, ever. I truly hope that DA3 will not require that I download spyware/malware onto my computer.  Because that would kill any deal right off the bat, and I would have to wait until the game comes to GOG.com.

I've not purchased an Ubisoft game for many years because of their DRM, and I would be content to wait for years, but I shouldn't have to be. Only now can I play Assassin's Creed, because it is now available on GOG. I do so hope that this will not happen with DA3.

[the_one_54321]

Origin is why I didn't buy or play ME3. It'll be the same for DAIII if it's required.

[Dakota Strider]

That is a big problem we PC users have these days. I have my ME3 game with Origin, and I have not had any noticable problems because of it. The same can be said with my version of Steam with Skyrim. The first time I ran into this was some years ago with Sony/Atari, I believe. Forget the game, may have been a version of Civilization. That one was a real pain.

If you want to play on a PC, I am afraid these devices are here to stay. We can only hope that they are very scrupulous in how they use our information. It is my guess, that people that use Google, or Chrome, probably give up even more personal information than these DRM's do. Still doesn't make it right..

Modifié par Dakota Strider, 21 avril 2012 - 12:40 .

[Sabriana]

Yes, the Steam "piggy-back" is what prevents me from buying Skyrim, and even without the horrible controversy around ME3, I would not purchase it because of the Origin malware. Perhaps I'm being paranoid, but my PC has information on it that is nobody's business but mine. I simply can't take that risk. I don't appreciate being treated as a potential thief.

Although I would like to hear/read about using Google exposing myself, Dakota. No, that's not a smart-aleck question, it's simply that I've never thought about Google as being spyware.

[Maria Caliban]

Sabriana wrote...

The one thing I'm worried about the most is wether DA3 will use an intrusive, malware, file-spying DRM.

No, it will have Origin.

Sabriana wrote...
Origin has a very bad reputation, Steam is right behind it.

Steam has an excellent reputation. Valve bought consumer loyalty with a massive game library and a ridiculous number of sales.

Origin has a bad reputation because it's worse than Steam in every possible way. It uses more memory, has fewer titles, fewer sales, the community functions are a single friend list, and it just gave you the ability to add your own avatar a month ago.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 21 avril 2012 - 01:09 .

[Melca36]

Sabriana wrote...

Yes, the Steam "piggy-back" is what prevents me from buying Skyrim, and even without the horrible controversy around ME3, I would not purchase it because of the Origin malware. Perhaps I'm being paranoid, but my PC has information on it that is nobody's business but mine. I simply can't take that risk. I don't appreciate being treated as a potential thief.

Although I would like to hear/read about using Google exposing myself, Dakota. No, that's not a smart-aleck question, it's simply that I've never thought about Google as being spyware.

Steam is far less invasive than Origin and you get the choice to say *NO* when one of their surveys show up.

They also support modders with Skyrim.

[Dakota Strider]

@Sabriana; I use Yahoo search for this reason. Not sure if its better, but I have heard lots of stuff about Google and Chrome. Doing a yahoo search with the words "Google privacy invasion " came up with over 31 million results. I won't post a link here, but you can do the search yourself and find lots of different sources.

One of the things that really turned me off about Google, is how they gave information to the Chinese government, about Chinese citizens that used Google services. You can imagine how well that turned out when the Communist enforcers came knocking on these peoples' doors.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Maria Caliban wrote...


No, it will have Origin.

Zing.

But in all likelihood, having Origin is something that would be mandatory in a hypothetical Dragon Age 3 (assuming Origin doesn't get shut down by the time it comes out). EA has moved to make all games require Origin. So, if it makes you feel better Sabriana, it's something that BioWare has no control over.

(Though I doubt it would. )

Modifié par CrustyBot, 21 avril 2012 - 01:10 .

[ObserverStatus]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Origin has a bad reputation because it's worse than Steam in every possible way. It uses more memory, has fewer titles, fewer sales, the community functions are a single friend list, and it just gave you the ability to add your own avatar a month ago.

Origin isn't all that bad, I have a friend who got a birthday present from them once.  Does Steam ever do that?

[Maria Caliban]

I don't think it's 'that bad.' I just don't think it's that good either.

And Steam has given me Christmas presents. They can't give me birthday presents because they don't know my birthday.

[Dejajeva]

What is a DRM? And why don't you just buy a hard copy of it instead of downloading it? Do people not do that anymore?

[Sylvanpyxie]

And why don't you just buy a hard copy of it

Because the recent release of Mass Effect 3 required Origin, regardless of the copy you had.

Personally? Steam i can accept. It has a huge library of games, supporters modders, offers regular sales and it's a reliable system, run by a reliable company.

Origin, i will not install on my system. I have had continually bad experiences with EA and as a result i trust them, and anything they produce, about as much as a rickety bridge, held together with five day old chewing gum, in a hurricane.

If future Bioware titles require Origin, i will not be buying them.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 21 avril 2012 - 01:38 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Filament wrote...

I love DRM. I hope DA3 has more of it.

You know the perfect DRM? Dragon Age 3 being an MMO.

[Maria Caliban]

Dejajeva wrote...

What is a DRM? And why don't you just buy a hard copy of it instead of downloading it? Do people not do that anymore?

Digital Rights Management.

Hard copies also have DRM as anything that is there to prevent you from copying the game or playing a unoriginal copy is DRM. You have to keep the CD in the drive? DRM. CD-Key? DRM. Online authentication check? DRM.

All hard copies of EA games will require you install Origins in the future. It's like Steamworks. I believe it authenticates once when you install the game, but if you have any DLC, it authenticates each time you play.

[Atakuma]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...
If future Bioware titles require Origin, i will not be buying them.

 If that's the case, then you might as well leave now.

[Dejajeva]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Dejajeva wrote...

What is a DRM? And why don't you just buy a hard copy of it instead of downloading it? Do people not do that anymore?

Digital Rights Management.

Hard copies also have DRM as anything that is there to prevent you from copying the game or playing a unoriginal copy is DRM. You have to keep the CD in the drive? DRM. CD-Key? DRM. Online authentication check? DRM.

All hard copies of EA games will require you install Origins in the future. It's like Steamworks. I believe it authenticates once when you install the game, but if you have any DLC, it authenticates each time you play.

So it's trying to combat piracy? Is that why my DLC won't play if I don't have an internet connection? That's on the xbox. I wondered if it was some kind of authentication check. I read that the new console systems will be made so that you can't even play a game that's been used- putting some business like Gamestop right out of business. Kind of sucks because we buy a lot of games used.

[Maria Caliban]

Yes, DRM is for combating piracy.

Origin is a bit more ambitious than that. It's also EA's digital platform. For example, I bought a hard copy of Dragon Age II, but because it's registered on Origin, I can download it if I ever lose the CD. The same for ME 3.

I can also buy games through Origin and there's a friend's list if I feel like chatting with someone.

It's integrated into ME 3 MP. If I can create a game, I can invite people on my friend's list to play with me. I believe the XBox has similar functionality.

[PaulSX]

Maybe weird, but I am a fan of steam/origin download servers. Having a client is easier to manage games.

[berelinde]

The way they did it with DA2 wasn't bad. Log in once, verify your stuff, and you never have to log in again. Most of the time, my gaming computer isn't even hooked up to the router... and I do have DLC installed.

It would be a bummer if DA3 went to a more intrusive system, but I guess we'll just have to see how that pans out.

[mousestalker]

I just finished installing DAO in WINE. If I had used an illegal cracked copy it would have taken one fourth of the time. Instead the legal, specially purchased 'Ultimate Edition' took around three hours to get up and running with all DLC.

Someone smarter or savvier could likely have done it a great deal faster, but the point remains that DRM impacts the market. It increases the difficulty of installation and raises the cost of a game (Time is Money).

My purchase of DA3 depends upon several factors. The primary one is how certain trusted reviewers regard it. A strong secondary factor is how onerous the DRM scheme is.

For the record, if I don't buy it, I will not be playing it. Paying to play is the correct moral choice. But we all have other, better things to do than to surrender personal information, allow commercial advertising on our PC's or spend time debugging an inept DRM implementation.

/rant

[Maria Caliban]

What is WINE?

[GLASSDANSE]

Wine is a program that allows you to use Windows software on Mac or Linux

[Melca36]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

And why don't you just buy a hard copy of it

Because the recent release of Mass Effect 3 required Origin, regardless of the copy you had.

Personally? Steam i can accept. It has a huge library of games, supporters modders, offers regular sales and it's a reliable system, run by a reliable company.

Origin, i will not install on my system. I have had continually bad experiences with EA and as a result i trust them, and anything they produce, about as much as a rickety bridge, held together with five day old chewing gum, in a hurricane.

If future Bioware titles require Origin, i will not be buying them.

There will come a time where the majority of games/programs will only be available digitally. Its cheaper for companies that way. 

[Dakota Strider]

Melca36 wrote...

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

And why don't you just buy a hard copy of it

Because the recent release of Mass Effect 3 required Origin, regardless of the copy you had.

Personally? Steam i can accept. It has a huge library of games, supporters modders, offers regular sales and it's a reliable system, run by a reliable company.

Origin, i will not install on my system. I have had continually bad experiences with EA and as a result i trust them, and anything they produce, about as much as a rickety bridge, held together with five day old chewing gum, in a hurricane.

If future Bioware titles require Origin, i will not be buying them.

There will come a time where the majority of games/programs will only be available digitally. Its cheaper for companies that way. 

As long as there is a large enough customer demand, that will pay for a physical package, the companies will provide it.   The amount of profit they can make off of digital is obviously greater, since sending digital copies of the game costs next to nothing, as opposed to the expenses of the physical package; and more importantly,  they get to cut out all the middlemen.  But, I am guessing, as long as they can realize at least 10% profit by shipping boxed games to retailers, they will do it.

Modifié par Dakota Strider, 21 avril 2012 - 02:02 .