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[Maria Caliban]

I suspect that someday physical copies for PC games will be considered a marketing expense.

[craigdolphin]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Origin is why I didn't buy or play ME3. It'll be the same for DAIII if it's required.

Likewise.
The upside for me about the ending controversy for ME3 is that I feel no lingering desire to buy ME3 at all. It's the last thing I expected to feel. I thought I'd be ragingly upset at being unable to play the conclusion of the trilogy due to their origin requirement. Funny how stuff works out sometimes. Instead I feel like I dodged a bullet and saved some money in the process!

DA3 is going to be a tough sell for me as things stand, with the current art style and with my dissappointment with DA2. If there's a mandatory Origin requirement, without a suitable opt-out for data collection, I won't even have to think twice about walking away. I used to think Bioware games were worth the aggravation of trying to get Bioware to see the light on DRM. Now, I have a zero tolerance policy towards these kinds of shananigans from Bioware and other publishers.

They either want my business, or they don't. And if they do, they are going to have to work hard to prove that the games are going to appeal to me, and they had better respect my desire to not have to deal with pointless DRM or hostile-to-my-rights Terms and Conditions, EULA's, etc.

If they don't, then that's fine too. Life is plenty busy enough to be able to forget about Bioware as a developer if I have to. :happy:

[Amycus89]

I didn't get ME3 because of the Origin requirement, and I will likely not get DA3 either if they do the same there. Or well, at least until they make a significant update on their ToS to be less intrusive.

[the_one_54321]

craigdolphin wrote...
The upside for me about the ending controversy for ME3 is that I feel no lingering desire to buy ME3 at all.

You know, I already got the same thing out of DAII, and that's what made it so easy to just pass ME3 over. After everything I've read concerning DAII, I don't even have the desire to play it like I used to, and with ME3 requiring Origin, the "well, that's it for that game, then" came without anything more than mild disappointment.

I think that a lot of people underestimate some fan's ability to just pick up and leave, in so far as buying and playing the games is concerned.

[FieryDove]

the_one_54321 wrote...

I think that a lot of people underestimate some fan's ability to just pick up and leave, in so far as buying and playing the games is concerned.

I agree...no ME3 here.

[Realmzmaster]

Consumers have always had the power to just pick up and leave. The consumer decides where, when how and on what to spend his/her money. No one underestimates the power of a consumer to leave, but it takes many consumers leaving to have an impact.

[the_one_54321]

Realmzmaster wrote...
Consumers have always had the power to just pick up and leave. The consumer decides where, when how and on what to spend his/her money. No one underestimates the power of a consumer to leave, but it takes many consumers leaving to have an impact.

What I was getting at is that a number of people seem to have the notion that saying "I won't buy it" is all just talk, and that everyone here is going to buy the game anyway.

[Maria Caliban]

craigdolphin wrote...

Likewise.
The upside for me about the ending controversy for ME3 is that I feel no lingering desire to buy ME3 at all. It's the last thing I expected to feel. I thought I'd be ragingly upset at being unable to play the conclusion of the trilogy due to their origin requirement. Funny how stuff works out sometimes. Instead I feel like I dodged a bullet and saved some money in the process!

There was so much in ME 3 that was well done.

And then there was the ending.

I remember the script was leaked prior to the game releasing and a bunch of people were on the forums talking about how bad the ending was. I thought, "Oh look, it's the typical group of BioWare haters. How charming, they review bombed Metacritic. There's no way the ending is half as terrible as people are claiming."

Live and learn. 

But that hasn't turned me off Dragon Age. Different writing team.

[Sabriana]

Oh dear. I would hate not being able to play DA3 because of DRM. However, there is no way that I will allow 3rd party software that essentially reads my computer files onto my machine, ever. That is also the reason that I never even thought about buying ME3, and it turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

I do know quite a few people who refuse to buy games with such stringent DRM requirements. I wonder if the trade-off (losing customers to DRM vs losing customers to pirates/used game business) is actually worth the cost of implementing said DRM. GOG.com seems to make a hefty business out of distributing games without DRM. As a matter of fact, listening to their customers, me included, their games being DRM-free is a major selling point for them.

Personally, I've not even paid any attention to Ubisoft (or Capcom, but that's for a variety of other reasons as well) games, and I've not had a problem simply ignoring them. I will not allow Origin or any 3rd party spyware onto my system. I've had enough problems with DA2's DRM, thank you very much. I would very much hate having to do the same for Bioware games in general and DA products in particular.

I guess there is nothing to do but hang around to wait and see. I also guess that this is the reason that people who will not allow intrusive software onto their systems, are still here. We are all DA (well, DAO for me) fans, and there should not be any prodding of the "why are you still here then?" variety.

[SeanMurphy2]

I played ME1 and ME2 on PC but bought ME3 on PS3. So I would not be forced to install Origin.


If DA3 forces me to use Origin. I will buy second hand PS3 copy and zero dlc so EA gets no money for it. Though I would much prefer to play Dragon Age on PC.

Modifié par SeanMurphy2, 21 avril 2012 - 09:29 .

[bEVEsthda]

I like DRM. I'm a champion for DRM. DRM is good. Truly good DRM would work wonders for the PC-games (Windows) market. The proper people to provide that are Microsoft, inside the OS. Because of both cowardice, and a terribly misguided internal policy of favoring XBox with the deliberate and orchestrated cost of PC-gaming, they're not doing that (They're going to be so F* when Apple releases their first gaming device, bye, bye MS).

I like DRM. The concept of it, that is. I don't like Origin at all, because it can do a lot more than it has any business to do. EA seem to always disappoint me. Always, always, they have to greedily try something. I have a really hard time seeing any evidence that they respect their customers.
...Or else there is a great void between EA leadership and their lawyers and marketing people. And maybe that leadership should start to spank - and real hard - the fingers of those 'clever' people who do so much to erode PR and customers' trust.

To me DA3 success/failure is a win/win situation. DA3 is a great game -> win. DA3 is DA2:2 = I don't have to install Origin -> win.

I wouldn't ever participate in any EA Facebook game, either. Why should I not think they intend to use Facebook for data mining?

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 21 avril 2012 - 01:52 .

[bEVEsthda]

Maria Caliban wrote...
There was so much in ME 3 that was well done.

And then there was the ending.

I remember the script was leaked prior to the game releasing and a bunch of people were on the forums talking about how bad the ending was. I thought, "Oh look, it's the typical group of BioWare haters. How charming, they review bombed Metacritic. There's no way the ending is half as terrible as people are claiming."

Live and learn. 

But that hasn't turned me off Dragon Age. Different writing team.

From the info I've been getting, the ME3 ending didn't have terribly much to do with the ME3 writing team. That's what really disturbs me. Which means it could happen to DA too, if EA/Bioware haven't somehow learned a lesson.

As for your experience, I had a similar about DA2. I passed through the Forums some time before the release and saw all the ruckus. I calmly dismissed it, thinking Bioware can definitely be trusted to deliver a great game. But ME3 ending surely represents a new degree of abyssmalness.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 21 avril 2012 - 01:12 .

[YohkoOhno]

GOG.com seems to make a hefty business out of distributing games without DRM. As a matter of fact, listening to their customers, me included, their games being DRM-free is a major selling point for them.

The thing is, GOG specializes in OLD games, games that are 10-20 years old and is a niche market. It's a big difference to say you are not going to put DRM on an older game with older graphics that is not state of the art, and to put it on a new release. GOG would totally dry up if the original IP holders revoked their licenses to carry those games. It's easy for GOG to say "DRM free", but they are not developing new games. The Witcher 2 is an exception to that rule.