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[wolfstanus]

hippanda wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...

You guys say "yes" now
But if you had to wait 5 years. You would be saying "release it now what's with the delay"

I haven't said that about Diablo 3, so I don't see why Mass Effect 3 should have been any different.

I don't say this about any game. I never get my hopes up to the point where they have no place to go but down... 
A lot of the community got their hopes up based on other games. They expected this to be the best bioware game ever. When this was proved to be not true. It just added more and a considerable amount of fuel to the fire.

Also
Humanity.
Whines about everything when it can. 
Theres a minority that won't whine about the little things.

[KingKhan03]

wolfstanus wrote...

hippanda wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...

You guys say "yes" now
But if you had to wait 5 years. You would be saying "release it now what's with the delay"

I haven't said that about Diablo 3, so I don't see why Mass Effect 3 should have been any different.

I don't say this about any game. I never get my hopes up to the point where they have no place to go but down... 
A lot of the community got their hopes up based on other games. They expected this to be the best bioware game ever. When this was proved to be not true. It just added more and a considerable amount of fuel to the fire.

Also
Humanity.
Whines about everything when it can. 
Theres a minority that won't whine about the little things.

Humanity is so cruel.

[Terraforming2154]

wolfstanus wrote...

TheNexus wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...

You guys say "yes" now
But if you had to wait 5 years. You would be saying "release it now what's with the delay"

Yeah that's kind of why I made the topic.

It's so easy to see the endings and plotholes now and say "well of course I would have waited!", but I guarantee 90% of the forum topics would have been "What is taking so long?" after 2.5 years of development time.

A fact people tend to ignore.

People whining on the forums doesn't mean they wouldn't buy the product. Let's say that Bioware announced in January this year or last December that they were pushing the release date back until early 2013. Yeah, the reaction would have been loud and most likely of the complaining variety. But, I also bet most of the people on these forums would have still bought the game the instant it dropped. Also, I would say after about 5 weeks of complaint threads about the release date being pushed back, people would relax again and start speculating - and if Bioware released snippits of info once and awhile, people would have likely stayed invested.

As for casual players, the game probably would have dropped off their radar only to be brought back into sight when marketing started picking up.

The only downside to a delay would possibly be hightened expectations, which could backfire.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 21 avril 2012 - 06:24 .

[TheNexus]

staindgrey wrote...

Five? No. A late 2012 or 2013 release date? Yes.

And this doesn't even have to do with the ending. I'd have waited for actual side missions on other planets instead of planet scanning, and a different hub world than JUST the Citadel. The N7 missions felt lazy, and the rest of the game just felt small in comparison to ME1 or ME2.

A lot of people say the game needed about 6 more months to a year, and if you think about the plotholes and then trying to incorporate all decisions into the endings to actually have 16 different endings or whatever... that probably sounds about right.

ME1 was huge but cumbersome. I like how they streamlined ME2. I didn't really feel like ME3 was that different from ME2 in terms of environments. We still don't know how much DLC they're going to release for ME3, but I'd imagine it's going to be a substantial amount. It's kind of unfortunate (even if it is fun) that they have to allocate resources into making multiplayer DLC that they could have used for better single player DLC, but cest la vie...

Modifié par TheNexus, 21 avril 2012 - 06:39 .

[Phydeaux314]

Two years? I don't think that was long enough.
Three years? I would have waited. I would have kvetched, but when pressed, I would have said "games need time to do well, and games as complicated as the finale to Mass Effect deserve extra work."
Four years? "It had bloody well better be worth the wait."
Five years? "Man what are they doing, adding a new game engine?"
Six+ years? "Oh, gods, it's going to be another duke nukem, isn't it... wait, do I even have my saves? Will Mass Effect 1 even RUN on windows 9?"

[TheNexus]

No, I do not, and will never,  follow a, to me, ridiculous Twitter or such.

I really want to make another topic about this, but yes, this also irks me to no end.

There's something very weird and uncomfortable to me about incorporating lore (or really anything that adds to the story of a game) into social networking, but I also intensely disliked war assets being connected to multiplayer, so I guess I'm one of "those" guys.

[wolfstanus]

I'm sorry for the confusion

By fact I meant this.

It's so easy to look back and say I would have done blah blah blah. (dropping the a bomb on Japan for example)
But to live during the time or in another possibility (waiting 5+ years for me3) people will complain about when is it going to be done.

[Luzarius]

TheNexus wrote...

 Seeing as how Diablo 3 is coming out in less than a month after an 11 year wait, I thought I'd throw this out there.

One of the biggest issues I have with companies like EA in terms of how they handle gaming companies (maybe even the biggest) is their strict deadlines. ME1 comes out in 2007, ME2 in 2010, ME3 in 2012. None of the games lack for quality, but there are fairly large shortcomings in each one which may have been helped with a little more time to think.

As of late, Bioware has taken heat for both DA2 and ME3, not necessarily because they are bad games, but because there are signs of them being rushed products (among other issues, but this is the one that is important for this discussion).

 Would we really want to wait 5 years for a Mass Effect 3, though? I think it's easy to say yes in retrospect, but imagine you'd been waiting over 2 years for the game only to hear it was pushed back for another year or two at least. I think in an ideal world the game makers would control the time tables, and 5 years would definetely be worth the wait if that time was spent productively building the game. I'm sure there are people who feel differently, though, as that is a very long time to wait for the ending of a trilogy.

What do you guys think? Wait for quality or get the game out sooner to keep fan interest from waning?

Bioware deserves $50.00 for every 2 years.

Luzarius

[FatalX7.0]

TheNexus wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...

You guys say "yes" now
But if you had to wait 5 years. You would be saying "release it now what's with the delay"

Yeah that's kind of why I made the topic.

It's so easy to see the endings and plotholes now and say "well of course I would have waited!", but I guarantee 90% of the forum topics would have been "What is taking so long?" after 2.5 years of development time.

People already saw the endings before the game was released.

[Alamar2078]

I wouldn't mind waiting an extra year or two but an extra 5 would honestly be streching it. If ME3 happenned to be THE launch title for the next gen XBox then that might convince me that 5 years would be a good idea.

What I wish would have happenned is that BW had more of a Lord of the Rings / B5 approach and lay out the story / the choices / how things interact / etc. for the trilogy before they did any real work on ME1. Once the engine, tools, art elements, etc. was done for ME1 then they should immediately work on the following games and just work on level design and getting the game done with existing tools & engine.

While we'd have missed out on killer gameplay I like to think the above approach would have had RPG and other benefits.

YMMV

[shodiswe]

Time is relative, it commes and it goes. Eventualy we get to the point where we are offered the sequel to product "X", then we have to determine if product "X" was good enough to bother with the sequel.

Sometimes it's an entierly new product then it depends on how good the marketing is at marketing the product, if you got previous experience with the people/company providing the product. Or if you like the genre and think this could be worth a go.

[TheNexus]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

How balls-flateningly awesome of a 5-years-in-the-making conclusion are we talking about, here?

Well that's the point. We don't know. That's the gamble.

[Joccaren]

5-6 years?
No.
2 Years: Uuhh. It might be good.... If they had a large team... and lots of funding... maybe... Umm...
3 Years: Has an alright chance of being good. Longer than a lot of games get, but It'll probably be worth it.
4 Years: Ok, this game will be good. Long development cycle, lots of effort put in. Unless the dev team has a major derp, it should turn out great.
5 Years: Umm, this is taking its time. I'm not going to rule it out just yet, but... Its taking time...
6 Years: Wait? Which game? Oh. Does the first one still run on the latest Windows? Yeah, I might give it a go when I feel like it, but IDK.

I can be patient and wait for a game if it means it will be good. It had better show signs of effort being put in though.

[ediskrad327]

i have waited for Battlefront 3. 5 years are nothing

[Thatguyky]

I'd gladly wait five years. If anything I think releasing a game within a year or two span only limits its potential awesomeness.

[OldSwede]

TheNexus wrote...

No, I do not, and will never,  follow a, to me, ridiculous Twitter or such.

I really want to make another topic about this, but yes, this also irks me to no end.

There's something very weird and uncomfortable to me about incorporating lore (or really anything that adds to the story of a game) into social networking, but I also intensely disliked war assets being connected to multiplayer, so I guess I'm one of "those" guys.

I'm sorry for going off topic like that (actually, I think its due to my pain atm, since it gets me frustrated). 
Please know that I was not aiming anything at you or anyone, personally. It just saddens me to se the aggressiveness here - but I feel it is also understandable.

I would also like to ask about Twitter/make a topic but I hesitate, unfortunately (and since I can't stay online for very long, it makes it hard for me to make replies, too)

A bit more On Topic: Again, I'd really like to see a poll about this (if it can be done?).  

[TheNexus]

Phydeaux314 wrote...

Two years? I don't think that was long enough.
Three years? I would have waited. I would have kvetched, but when pressed, I would have said "games need time to do well, and games as complicated as the finale to Mass Effect deserve extra work."
Four years? "It had bloody well better be worth the wait."
Five years? "Man what are they doing, adding a new game engine?"
Six+ years? "Oh, gods, it's going to be another duke nukem, isn't it... wait, do I even have my saves? Will Mass Effect 1 even RUN on windows 9?"

And yet another thing to consider.

How many people would keep their saves for 5 years?

[TheNexus]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

TheNexus wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...

You guys say "yes" now
But if you had to wait 5 years. You would be saying "release it now what's with the delay"

Yeah that's kind of why I made the topic.

It's so easy to see the endings and plotholes now and say "well of course I would have waited!", but I guarantee 90% of the forum topics would have been "What is taking so long?" after 2.5 years of development time.

People already saw the endings before the game was released.

Presumably, if the game had been pushed back, the endings would not have been made yet. The reason people could leak the endings was because they were already finished.

[Deuterium_Dawn]

TheNexus wrote...

Phydeaux314 wrote...

Two years? I don't think that was long enough.
Three years? I would have waited. I would have kvetched, but when pressed, I would have said "games need time to do well, and games as complicated as the finale to Mass Effect deserve extra work."
Four years? "It had bloody well better be worth the wait."
Five years? "Man what are they doing, adding a new game engine?"
Six+ years? "Oh, gods, it's going to be another duke nukem, isn't it... wait, do I even have my saves? Will Mass Effect 1 even RUN on windows 9?"

And yet another thing to consider.

How many people would keep their saves for 5 years?

Still have my ME1 saves. Still play ME1 from time to time.

[Ratimir]

I would have happily waited five years for ME3. I waited ten for Fallout 3.

If BioWare had announced a release date of 2015 and stuck to it, I (and I believe most fans) would have waited patiently and happily, and expected a game of mind-blowing epic awesomeness that made the wait worthwhile.

If BioWare had announced a release date of 2012, then pushed it back to later 2012, then early 2013, then late 2013, then sometime in 2014, before finally releasing it in 2015, I would have ****ed and moaned, but I still would have pre-ordered.

[DrowVampyre]

TheNexus wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

Yes. In a heartbeat if I would be assured an unrushed ending with a lack of game breaking plotholes

But what if you hadn't played through ME3 yet? You had no idea about the endings or the plot at all. All you knew was that the game was being pushed back. You wouldn't be a bit frustrated?

Except would it be getting "pushed back", or just have a longer development time? I can see people getting annoyed if it kept getting pushed back from release dates, though I don't see them not accepting it (I certainly would have accepted it), but if it was just "it's in development" for a few years, and then sometime in the 4th year "It'll be Q2 next year" or whatever, then sure, awesome, no issues whatsoever.

[FatalX7.0]

TheNexus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

TheNexus wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...

You guys say "yes" now
But if you had to wait 5 years. You would be saying "release it now what's with the delay"

Yeah that's kind of why I made the topic.

It's so easy to see the endings and plotholes now and say "well of course I would have waited!", but I guarantee 90% of the forum topics would have been "What is taking so long?" after 2.5 years of development time.

People already saw the endings before the game was released.

Presumably, if the game had been pushed back, the endings would not have been made yet. The reason people could leak the endings was because they were already finished.

The game was only pushed back a couple of months...and people hated the endings and they didn't even change them.

So much disappoint.

[Babyberry]

I've waited that long or longer for a good book, so I don't see why not.