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[Foxd1e]

Nosuchluck wrote...

I just think the idea of Darkspawn humping away at a Broodmother is far too silly for it to be in the lore. It's like the idea of an Alien queen making sweet love with little aliens to produce eggs.

Why do you think its silly? She is still human,dwarven, elven, qunari when they impregnate her and then as she starts devouring her kin she turns into Broody and stays fertile for gawd knows how long

[EricHVela]

Grew how much? Maybe just grew fat with blood and bile. She doesn't become the beast until after she goes on her eating binge.

I feel dirty. We're talking about a woman (fictional, yes) that's captured, tortured, forced to swallow blood and vomit, raped and then transformed into a monster (painfully according to that other dwarf "survivor"). We're talking about it so casually. What's become of society?

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 07 décembre 2009 - 03:50 .

[Maufurtado]

It's a taint thing, I suppose. Some kind of ritual that involves tainted blood.

[Curlain]

imported_beer wrote...

Here is the weird part. If the darkspawn copulate with her, they do it after she has become a huge broodmother (comes after "she grew").

I don't know- this is confusing.

That would depend if she had competely changed or not, or is she had only began her mutation into the broodmother, or possibly there are stages in the broodmother's form, the first allowing for the 'violation' or copulation to breed, and then the main form produced through further mutation and eating of 'her kin', and as someone posted she might only need to mate to produce offspring from that point on

[KilrB]

Decomposey wrote...

We see one Broodmother in the game, one that used to be a dwarf.  I find myself asking, if a little dwarf can grow into that huge tentacled monstrosity, what would a qunari Broodmother look like?

Something like this:

http://www.warseer.c...t=120998&page=3

[EricHVela]

imported_beer wrote...

So how did the broodmother become so *extremely* fertile? What could happen if a greywarden mated with a darkspawn? Not that I'd wish that on anyone.

I think therein lies the answer. It has to be a woman that survives the ingesting of pure, unprepared darkspawn blood and vomit and get impregnated by a darkspawn after surviving the pure taint. Grey Wardens drink blood that is "prepared" somehow. It's not so simple as going out and finding darkspawn that happen to be carrying around a vial of their own blood and drinking it to become a grey warden.

[Curlain]

That is interesting, since it renders Grey Wardens infertile generally, but prehaps not specifically with darkspawn since I highly doubt the Grey Wardens have (or seen any need) to test this (it is a pretty distrubing line of thought though, of other dangers Grey Wardens might risk ).



Possibly also as the taint reacts differently with women leading to mutation, possibly magic is also used during the transformation process to alter things further, as they change more into darkspawn broodmothers leading to the preservation or establishment of their fertility.

[EricHVela]

The risk could also be why women as grey wardens are rare. If one was captured alive...

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 07 décembre 2009 - 04:11 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

imported_beer wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...
"Eighth day, we hated as she was violated." Read into it what you will

Yes, but they follow that up with "in her mouth they spewed".

I mean, I don't know how it works for them, but that is kind of what humans do when they *don't* want to get pregnant, no?

In Alien vs Predator, the Alien spews his eggs down a pregnant woman's throat. And the babies inside eat the human baby and then burst out of her belly. So I can imagine it being the same.

A more pertinenet question is, how did she get the 6 niples?

[kevinwastaken]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


A more pertinenet question is, how did she get the 6 niples?

Or the tentacles.

[EricHVela]

A mage did it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

ReggarBlane wrote...

A mage did it.

Bloody mages. I knew killing them all in the circle was the good option.

[Curlain]

Yep, mages are the root are all evil, it appears the Chantry were right, who'd have thought?

(on a side note, am I the only on who find themselves verring to the more amoral and evil side of things whenever I play as a mage in an RPG?)

Modifié par Curlain, 07 décembre 2009 - 05:05 .

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Nosuchluck wrote...

imported_beer wrote...

I have a question. Perhaps it has been discussed before, but I missed it.

So broodmothers are basically humans, elves or qunari women who have been deformed by the blight, but how do they *make* darkspawn babies? Or precisely, who is the lucky dad(s)?

I'm guessing they produce without mating.  All they probably need is to be fed a huge amount so they can keep pumping out the eggs.

I have a feeling the poem is in refrence to the body being forcefully twisted and transformerd rather than anything sexual.

Not to cause any nightmares here but... I think we need to accept the possibility that there is a major gangbang during the ritual and thus she has enough seed to last for a very, very long time.

Now if you will excuse me, I need to have my brain throw up...

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Curlain wrote...

Yep, mages are the root are all evil, it appears the Chantry were right, who'd have thought?

(on a side note, am I the only on who find themselves verring to the more amoral and evil side of things whenever a play a mage in an RPG?)

No.
~Sten

I find that I become very pragmatic as a mage though I did find it highly amusing to play as Daemon, the nicest maleficar ever. He was a forthright and righteous Blood Mage Shifter which made him a hilarious hypocrite.

[Wertilq]

oops double-post....

Modifié par Wertilq, 07 décembre 2009 - 05:21 .

[Wertilq]

These forums are slow to update I want a delete button.

Modifié par Wertilq, 07 décembre 2009 - 05:22 .

[Wertilq]

Why must there be sex involved to produce new darkspawn? Can't the broodmothers just be a huge factory spitting out new darkspawn. They were once a human/elf/dwarf/quanari, so they have the genetic code for that, and the darkspawn pretty much is a corrupted version of their untainted counterparts.
They would all be very similar, being copies of thier mother, but it would be a fast way to spit out an army...

I wonder what the life length of a broodmother is... the broodmother you meet in the game is pretty.. fresh, only a few years old I don't know if that is long or short for a broodmother. Would they grow even bigger over the years, becoming more effective, or would they need to be replaced because they are worn out?

Have anyone wondered what is leading the darkspawn, I mean the TRUE leader. There is Archdemons that act as generals leading the armies on crusades on the people above earth, but rarely the general is the true leader, the king, they live under earth and somehow hold together, something more must control them or am I wrong?

[Matthew Young CT]

Wertilq wrote...
Why must there be sex involved to produce new darkspawn?

Well the violated line implies it. Can't be sure though.

Ugh that section was so creepy the first time.

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Wertilq wrote...

Why must there be sex involved to produce new darkspawn?

Um, why not? Sex and rape actually show up a lot in the game, why act coy now? Becoming a broodmother is a violation on many levels. I'd be surprised if sex wasn't involved. We aren't talking about wacky scientists here. We are talking about corrupt monstrosities...

Can't the broodmothers just be a huge factory spitting out new darkspawn. They were once a human/elf/dwarf/quanari, so they have the genetic code for that, and the darkspawn pretty much is a corrupted version of their untainted counterparts.
They would all be very similar, being copies of thier mother, but it would be a fast way to spit out an army...

If you want to bring science into this, you can't get a Y chromosome from a female, period. All of the darkspawn I've seen have predominantly male body characteristics. So semen seems to be part of the equation until we know otherwise.

Also, being copies of their mother would mean Broodmother. That is what COPY implies, which they are not. So something else is at work. While I would love to spare myself the nightmare of darkspawn rape, something tells me that Broodmaring for them isn't that merciful.

I wonder what the life length of a broodmother is... the broodmother you meet in the game is pretty.. fresh, only a few years old I don't know if that is long or short for a broodmother. Would they grow even bigger over the years, becoming more effective, or would they need to be replaced because they are worn out?

Good question, I'll ask one but I am curious as well. I assume they keep eating and growing, no reason not to. It makes biological sense to me.

Have anyone wondered what is leading the darkspawn, I mean the TRUE leader. There is Archdemons that act as generals leading the armies on crusades on the people above earth, but rarely the general is the true leader, the king, they live under earth and somehow hold together, something more must control them or am I wrong?

Actually, it is stated that Darkspawn are leaderless beyond Alphas and Emissaries until they find a Archdemon. You can even see in the epilogue that they just get into warbands. So... It is possible but doubtful. However, I suspect DA 2 will give us a King/Queen or something. Typical raising of Ante in fantasy settings.

[Nosuchluck]

Well, It's not the concept of rape which I don't think fits the game, it's just the mental image of a tiny Darkspawn humping away at a massively fat tentacle monster. It makes me want to laugh more than anything. I don't really want to be chuckling at it when it should be scary (=

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Nosuchluck wrote...

Well, It's not the concept of rape which I don't think fits the game, it's just the mental image of a tiny Darkspawn humping away at a massively fat tentacle monster. It makes me want to laugh more than anything. I don't really want to be chuckling at it when it should be scary (=

Here is the thing, I don't think the sex is done after she gets to a certain size. I think it is part of the overall thing. I hate defending this stance because I really don't like the mental image but if it isn't rape...

Then the Eighth Day line is redudant to me.

[Creature 1]

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

Can't the broodmothers just be a huge factory spitting out new darkspawn. They were once a human/elf/dwarf/quanari, so they have the genetic code for that, and the darkspawn pretty much is a corrupted version of their untainted counterparts.
They would all be very similar, being copies of thier mother, but it would be a fast way to spit out an army...

If you want to bring science into this, you can't get a Y chromosome from a female, period. All of the darkspawn I've seen have predominantly male body characteristics. So semen seems to be part of the equation until we know otherwise.

Also, being copies of their mother would mean Broodmother. That is what COPY implies, which they are not. So something else is at work. While I would love to spare myself the nightmare of darkspawn rape, something tells me that Broodmaring for them isn't that merciful.

Anyone know what the sex determination system for elves and dwarves is?  I suppose if elves and humans can hybridize (which should be biologically impossible, shame on BioWare) those two species would be very closely related, probably more closely related than humans and Neanderthals, so they would have the same type of sex determination system.  But dwarves might not.  If sexual reproduction is not involved maybe what's involved is some type of parthenogenesis with haploid offspring and a sex determination system depending on dosage of some factor, so the Brood Mother is XX and the offspring are X, and male by default if two X chromosomes are required to be female (this isn't how humans work, with us the SRY gene on the Y chromosome (usually!) is sufficient for male sex, but some other species have a gene dosage system like this). 

The offspring would not be copies of the mother, having only 50% of the mother's genetic material, and also would not be twins because only one of each set of chromosomes would be inherited, and crossing-over during egg production would cause recombination that would cause the offspring to differ from each other as well. 

But the offspring are probably the result of sexual reproduction if we go with the assumption that human sex determination is the same in the game world, and if we assume that darkspawn offspring actually are male or female rather than sexless and just uniformly brawny.