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[ragnorok87]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

I stuck by Bioware when ME2 started to focus more on combat than story, I stuck by Bioware when they released the overwhelmingly disappointing DA2, and I would have stuck by Bioware with ME3 if they acknowledged that the fanbases grievances with ME3's endings were completely valid. Instead, Bioware brushed off our concerns and insulted our intelligence by repeatedly mentioning their "75+ perfect scores" and using our dissatisfaction as a positive PR spin.

Besides that ME2 expanded the story quite a bit via the characters (which were the focus of ME2, not the combat), your presumed offense is just that: presumed. Bioware has never denied that people had legitimate grievances about ME3, nor has their strategy been reliant on that blurb.

If swearing off a company because they refuse to acknowledge not only my conerns, but the concerns of a large percentage of their fanbase, iis being a "fair-weather consumer" than so be it.

And when you're swearing off a company that does take in feedback, and has even conceded and agreed to retroactively change their product in an attempt to meet the concerns of a large percentage of the fanbase? What should we call you then?

You are not some scorned majority being ignored by the big arrogant corporation that refuses to change itself.

you are INCORRECT DEAN... bioware is not changing their product to meet demand. they are changing nothing only providing some lame cutscences to a crappy poorly written ending. the VAST MAJORITIES DEMANDS  are the endings suck and there are too many plotholes.. oh and space magic and god child too. none of these things are changing with the extended cut.

[NoUserNameHere]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

I stuck by Bioware when ME2 started to focus more on combat than story, I stuck by Bioware when they released the overwhelmingly disappointing DA2, and I would have stuck by Bioware with ME3 if they acknowledged that the fanbases grievances with ME3's endings were completely valid. Instead, Bioware brushed off our concerns and insulted our intelligence by repeatedly mentioning their "75+ perfect scores" and using our dissatisfaction as a positive PR spin.

Besides that ME2 expanded the story quite a bit via the characters (which were the focus of ME2, not the combat), your presumed offense is just that: presumed. Bioware has never denied that people had legitimate grievances about ME3, nor has their strategy been reliant on that blurb.

If swearing off a company because they refuse to acknowledge not only my conerns, but the concerns of a large percentage of their fanbase, iis being a "fair-weather consumer" than so be it.

And when you're swearing off a company that does take in feedback, and has even conceded and agreed to retroactively change their product in an attempt to meet the concerns of a large percentage of the fanbase? What should we call you then?

You are not some scorned majority being ignored by the big arrogant corporation that refuses to change itself.

How long are you going to keep this up? Running around the thread, explaining to people how their  purely subjective tastes/prefrences are, in fact, wrong? 

[Oilking72]

I just don't know what to say without seriously insulting the OP. Then again he's probably too simple to pick it up anyways.

[Dean_the_Young]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

How long are you going to keep this up? Running around the thread, explaining to people how their  purely subjective tastes/prefrences are, in fact, wrong? 

A subjective experience is not right or wrong. An argument to support it can be: while we are all entitled to our own opinions, we are not entitled to our own facts. Anyone who has an argument that rests on Bioware refusing to recognize or address fan issues with the ME3 ending, for example, is going to run right into the brick wall that is the ending DLC that has already been announced.


To make an analogy, it's like ice cream. If you say 'I don't like chocolate icecream', that's a subjective preference. If you say 'I don't like chocolate icecream because it has sand and **** mixed in it', and the ice cream doesn't actually have sand or **** in it, then your justification is flawed.

[Jackal7713]

The Angry One wrote...

Because it's THAT bad.
Because we spent 5 years anticipating an end to this story, and that end turned out to be one where our main character is a coward, the universe we came to love is destroyed, and the narrative comes to endorse racism and genocide.

That is not something a lot of us can easily get over.

This

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I've actually been thinking the same thing about giving gaming a rest. My gaming friends are all hyped about the upcoming XBox 720 or whatever and looking forward to the Call of Duty edition which I could care less about. Why? Because it's going to be the exact same game as MW3 except with better graphics. So I said I'll probably wait for the price to drop on them. I'm not going to grab one for Xmas 2013 because they'll be gouging. EA is messing up gaming with FIFA, NFS, and other titles besides ME. Yes there are other companies out there, but I'd actually like to make some money instead of spending it.

So what I'd like to do is get into writing soundtracks for the games. Which I can do. I have a degree in music, and about 40+ yrs experience playing and teaching.

I'll probably still do some casual gaming, but nothing like I've been doing.

Anyone know how to send a video feed from a XBox 360 to a PC and recording the video (paid software is fine)? I'd like to test out setting different moods for scenes.

[Nisiar]

I've been gaming for over 20 years and have been very disappointed or very pleasantly surprised by games. I know how it feels to have one of your favorite series fizzle in the end but there are still a lot of good games out there. It's like you're having the most godawful hangover right now and you're swearing off alcohol, even rum cakes, but it will eventually pass.

[NoUserNameHere]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

How long are you going to keep this up? Running around the thread, explaining to people how their  purely subjective tastes/prefrences are, in fact, wrong? 

A subjective experience is not right or wrong. An argument to support it can be: while we are all entitled to our own opinions, we are not entitled to our own facts. Anyone who has an argument that rests on Bioware refusing to recognize or address fan issues with the ME3 ending, for example, is going to run right into the brick wall that is the ending DLC that has already been announced.


To make an analogy, it's like ice cream. If you say 'I don't like chocolate icecream', that's a subjective preference. If you say 'I don't like chocolate icecream because it has sand and **** mixed in it', and the ice cream doesn't actually have sand or **** in it, then your justification is flawed.

Last I heard from Bioware was that their ending was guddamn art and that most of us just needed clarification to explain how  profound the endgame sequence really is.

Modifié par NoUserNameHere, 21 avril 2012 - 06:14 .

[mechalynx]

I understand where you're coming from, OP. I was pretty much catatonic outside of work the first few days after finishing the game. Then I tried Deus Ex HR that's been gathering dust on my shelf since I bought it on the release day.

All I'm saying, there are plenty of fish in the sea.

[-Skorpious-]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

I stuck by Bioware when ME2 started to focus more on combat than story, I stuck by Bioware when they released the overwhelmingly disappointing DA2, and I would have stuck by Bioware with ME3 if they acknowledged that the fanbases grievances with ME3's endings were completely valid. Instead, Bioware brushed off our concerns and insulted our intelligence by repeatedly mentioning their "75+ perfect scores" and using our dissatisfaction as a positive PR spin.

Besides that ME2 expanded the story quite a bit via the characters (which were the focus of ME2, not the combat), your presumed offense is just that: presumed. Bioware has never denied that people had legitimate grievances about ME3, nor has their strategy been reliant on that blurb.

If swearing off a company because they refuse to acknowledge not only my conerns, but the concerns of a large percentage of their fanbase, iis being a "fair-weather consumer" than so be it.

And when you're swearing off a company that does take in feedback, and has even conceded and agreed to retroactively change their product in an attempt to meet the concerns of a large percentage of the fanbase? What should we call you then?

You are not some scorned majority being ignored by the big arrogant corporation that refuses to change itself.

This will be my last post in this thread. I understand that Bioware is addressing our feedback with the extended cut, I get that. Hell, they may even "fix" the ending so that it is personally replayable. But what they can't fix is my personal disappointment in Bioware's staff for how they have handled the situation so far, something no amount of DLC can fix. 

Will I support Bioware again one day? Maybe. Will I in the near future? Probably not.

[ragnorok87]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

How long are you going to keep this up? Running around the thread, explaining to people how their  purely subjective tastes/prefrences are, in fact, wrong? 

A subjective experience is not right or wrong. An argument to support it can be: while we are all entitled to our own opinions, we are not entitled to our own facts. Anyone who has an argument that rests on Bioware refusing to recognize or address fan issues with the ME3 ending, for example, is going to run right into the brick wall that is the ending DLC that has already been announced.


To make an analogy, it's like ice cream. If you say 'I don't like chocolate icecream', that's a subjective preference. If you say 'I don't like chocolate icecream because it has sand and **** mixed in it', and the ice cream doesn't actually have sand or **** in it, then your justification is flawed.

well dean you are WRONG AGAIN... bioware is not adressing demand. the demand is to remove plotholes and space magic god child and the multicolour explosions. the demand is something different then what we got. a different ending that actually fits the series and doesnt throw out the windowmain themes the series has always been about 

[Krogangreetings]

It annoyed me big time not just the ending but the MP focus meaning you can't get the best ending in SP the amount of fetch quests day 1 dlc and the amount of lies leading up to the release

I still here trying to get EA to fix the EMS so it's possible single player, but I haven't played Mass Effect since and won't until the extended cut or EMS fix which ever comes first

gameplay wise I went back to Arkham City as a huge Batman fan this game lived up to the hype

[Dean_the_Young]

Edit: a typo.

ragnorok87 wrote...

well dean you are WRONG AGAIN... bioware is not adressing demand. the demand is to remove plotholes

If information that resolves an inconsistency is given, a plot hole is removed.

and space magic god child

Not everyone demands the Star Child be removed, while further explanation of the Crucible effect can be added to remove it from just 'space magic.'

and the multicolour explosions.

Multicolor endings are a staple of the series: what many people acknowledged was that they wanted differentiations other than multi-color explosions.

the demand is something different then what we got. a different ending that actually fits the series and doesnt throw out the windowmain themes the series has always been about 

Besides that there is no singular demand by a unified fandom, adding and altering dialogue and scenes can do all that.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 21 avril 2012 - 06:21 .

[Dean_the_Young]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Last I heard from Bioware was that their ending was guddamn art and that most of us just needed clarification to explain how  profound the endgame sequence really is.

Then you weren't listening to Bioware.

Easy mistake, I know, confusing one company for another. There are so many of them, after all.

[Dean_the_Young]

-Skorpious- wrote...

This will be my last post in this thread. I understand that Bioware is addressing our feedback with the extended cut, I get that. Hell, they may even "fix" the ending so that it is personally replayable. But what they can't fix is my personal disappointment in Bioware's staff for how they have handled the situation so far, something no amount of DLC can fix. 

Will I support Bioware again one day? Maybe. Will I in the near future? Probably not.

Given some of the things you feel disappointed for, a lot of that is on you and you alone.

[King Gigglez]

Personally I love lost all interest in gaming... Which is a total shame to... I play a game for the story... The story has to fit in the realm I love, which is sci-fi. The story has to be long and in-depth... not a random "Go kill this guy, bang bang bang," type thing. The longer the story, and the more in-depth of a story, the much happier I am. Out of all of the games I have played in the last ten years of my life, Mass Effect was the only one that actually had an impact on me, that made me want to play a game again, it was actually the first game I beat because all of the others got bored quickly.

With ME3's ending as bad as it is, I have a very very hard time trusting EA in any new game releases. I may borrow Deadspace 3, just because I played the first two and somewhat enjoyed them. The only games I am actually looking forward too in the next few years was Prey 2 (delayed until next year, if lucky) and Dishonored. EA wants to make every game a multiplayer game (I am in the bottom 4% in internet speed, thanks to SpeedTest for telling me that!),after Activision drew my previous favorite franchise into the ground, and now EA did the same.... I have a hard time picking up any game outside of the two I want, ever again.

Modifié par King Gigglez, 21 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[Ryoten]

@Dragoonlordz Thanks, not only is ME3 ruined for me and gaming. Now you have also ruined Full Metal Alchemist for me as well. Every time i see Edward, i just think of forum trolls.

[MindSweeper13]

Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but I can't help but feel there's been a whole lot of over-reaction to how ME3 ended. I didn't like the ending, but I wouldn't go on Twitter calling individuals in charge of developing the game cheats and liars. Maybe they just screwed up? The ending did not ruin all games for me. I will still consider buying future Bioware games; particularly if they're as good as the non-ending parts of ME3

I think it's also important to remember that Bioware didn't set out to make everyone angry. There is clearly no benefit for Bioware in doing that. I just think that there's no harm in just taking a step back...

[xxskyshadowxx]

The Angry One wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

How many "quitters" has it been now because of just one ending?

I remain confused as to how the ending can be *that* bad to make one hate ALL games. Pretty weird.

Not sure if serious...
... or trolling.

Because it's THAT bad.
Because we spent 5 years anticipating an end to this story, and that end turned out to be one where our main character is a coward, the universe we came to love is destroyed, and the narrative comes to endorse racism and genocide.

That is not something a lot of us can easily get over.

I agree.

I think it's that and also the fact that gaming developers and publishers on the whole and for the most part have been over-hyping and under-delivering on their products for a long while now. And as time passes, the folks out there who are responsible for catching it in their reviews aren't, so they are just contributing to the problem, while game purchasers are forced to deal with it, while devs and publishers continue to behave in this manner without repercussion.

It's happening so often that it's becoming the accepted norm, and that's a huge problem. People are burning out. The whole ME3 mess was the straw that broke the back for the OP, but I don't believe it was the sole cause of his/her loss of interest. I think it's been building fora long time and the reason it has come to a head with the ME3 ending is because the nasty cycle this time involved a much loved series.

To the OP: there are still games to enjoy and have fun with, just buy them used  at a lower cash investment. I think if more people do that, publishers might start to realize that there are consequences to how they handle their releases.

[NoUserNameHere]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Last I heard from Bioware was that their ending was guddamn art and that most of us just needed clarification to explain how  profound the endgame sequence really is.

Then you weren't listening to Bioware.

Easy mistake, I know, confusing one company for another. There are so many of them, after all.

I don't care what they're trying to convey. That's how their demeanor comes off to quite a few people. Artistic integrity, yeah? 

If what Bioware tried to convey counted for anything then this would be a nonissue.  Exploding relays would mean 'breaking the cycle, forging your own destiny' instead of 'Oh God Oh God we just doomed the galaxy!' -- Planet Gilligan would be seen as a chance to begin again, not 'My crew deserted me! A lifetime of inbreeding is their punishment!'

[Aiyie]

hate to be so blunt... but isn't this overreacting a bit?

i mean sure, i loved the series, but honestly... not playing any games anymore? ok, i don't personally think the ending was enough to make the entire game, or series, unenjoyable, but i can understand how some people might feel that way.

but ALL games? that's a bit excessive.

it'd be like giving up watching all sports because one ref made a bad call that cost my team a game.

Modifié par Aiyie, 21 avril 2012 - 06:41 .

[MzAdventure]

The Angry One wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

How many "quitters" has it been now because of just one ending?

I remain confused as to how the ending can be *that* bad to make one hate ALL games. Pretty weird.

Not sure if serious...
... or trolling.

Because it's THAT bad.
Because we spent 5 years anticipating an end to this story, and that end turned out to be one where our main character is a coward, the universe we came to love is destroyed, and the narrative comes to endorse racism and genocide.

That is not something a lot of us can easily get over.

This.  Haven't played any game since, myself, so I feel you OP.

Modifié par victoriakm, 21 avril 2012 - 07:29 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Oh, here we go with the drama queen posting again. *yawn*