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[zsom]

Oh please.. grow the **** up.

And what if your spouse ends your relationship after 5 years or more? Will you then give up dating/relationships as well? Because this is how ridiculous it sounds...

[xsdob]

Jackal7713 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Because it's THAT bad.
Because we spent 5 years anticipating an end to this story, and that end turned out to be one where our main character is a coward, the universe we came to love is destroyed, and the narrative comes to endorse racism and genocide.

That is not something a lot of us can easily get over.

This

Hyperbole, GO!

[Dean_the_Young]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Last I heard from Bioware was that their ending was guddamn art and that most of us just needed clarification to explain how  profound the endgame sequence really is.

Then you weren't listening to Bioware.

Easy mistake, I know, confusing one company for another. There are so many of them, after all.

I don't care what they're trying to convey. That's how their demeanor comes off to quite a few people. Artistic integrity, yeah? 

Can you find three different places where Bioware said that they shouldn't change their ending because of artistic integrity? Can you even find one?

Or is this one of those 'everyone knows because everyone says so' sort of things, based on defenses of the ending by other people?


If Bioware repeatedly claimed their endings were sacrosant because of artistic integrity, you would have a point. If they haven't, then you and those repeating such insinuations are the ones at fault.

If what Bioware tried to convey counted for anything then this would be a nonissue.  Exploding relays would mean 'breaking the cycle, forging your own destiny' instead of 'Oh God Oh God we just doomed the galaxy!' -- Planet Gilligan would be seen as a chance to begin again, not 'My crew deserted me! A lifetime of inbreeding is their punishment!'

When people were dead-set on interpreting the worst despite the opportunity for otherwise, there's little else Bioware could do.

Bioware told you that the Crucible effect would be different from a supernova, showed a video showing a different sequence of events from what happened in Arrival, showed that the relays put out the Crucible effect rather than a supernova, and showed that the Crucible effect wasn't all-destroying.

Bioware never told you that your crew was stuck on that planet forever, doomed to inbreeding. (They did concede the Normandy's flight was out of place, and agreed to justify it.)

[Jagri]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Can you find three different places where Bioware said that they shouldn't change their ending because of artistic integrity? Can you even find one?

http://blog.bioware....-effect/page/2/


Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

• No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

Modifié par Jagri, 21 avril 2012 - 07:03 .

[Iberius]

Now you can start experiencing this thing called "life" I've been hearing rumors about. I'm terrified it will sneak up on me someday. Good luck to you.

[Dendio1]

You'll be back for dragon age 3 OP. We all will

[locsphere]

This is exactly how I feel, I try to sit down and play now, and can't even play COD, I wanted to go back to the good old days and can't even hold my interest with either Kotor. Those are hands down my favorite game of all time. Then I see what EA is planning and what the video game industry is planning for future consoles. Making it hard to play used games. Gamefly being useless. The industry in order to combat certain things is killing itself even further. It makes me hate the "Those who shall not be named" For ripping off the game industry and also at the developers who are so focused on their next quarters earnings that they have diluted my games by cutting them up selling in game items as a commodity, and pushing DLC when they clearly rushed the game.

[Hoid]

Its not the ending that has me wanting to give up video games. Its ME3 in general, its linear, no real exploration, to much focus on MP, less depth, relying on patches to fix bugs, leavening out portions out to be used as dlc, the fact that this game is marketed as an rpg when its a in depth third person shooter at best and its not even a great third person shooter. These are all my problems with ME3, but most of these problems are systemic in all games any more. Throw in a garbage ending g to a great story, and I find it hard to care about any video games anymore.

[zarnk567]

Dendio1 wrote...

You'll be back for dragon age 3 OP. We all will

After seeing their interview at PAX, and how Dragon Age 2 turned out?..... No I won't.

Modifié par zarnk567, 21 avril 2012 - 07:05 .

[King Gigglez]

Dendio1 wrote...

You'll be back for dragon age 3 OP. We all will

I won't, I thought Dragon Age 1 was one of the worst games I have ever played... 

[NoUserNameHere]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Last I heard from Bioware was that their ending was guddamn art and that most of us just needed clarification to explain how  profound the endgame sequence really is.

Then you weren't listening to Bioware.

Easy mistake, I know, confusing one company for another. There are so many of them, after all.

I don't care what they're trying to convey. That's how their demeanor comes off to quite a few people. Artistic integrity, yeah? 

Can you find three different places where Bioware said that they shouldn't change their ending because of artistic integrity? Can you even find one?

Or is this one of those 'everyone knows because everyone says so' sort of things, based on defenses of the ending by other people?


If Bioware repeatedly claimed their endings were sacrosant because of artistic integrity, you would have a point. If they haven't, then you and those repeating such insinuations are the ones at fault.

If what Bioware tried to convey counted for anything then this would be a nonissue.  Exploding relays would mean 'breaking the cycle, forging your own destiny' instead of 'Oh God Oh God we just doomed the galaxy!' -- Planet Gilligan would be seen as a chance to begin again, not 'My crew deserted me! A lifetime of inbreeding is their punishment!'

When people were dead-set on interpreting the worst despite the opportunity for otherwise, there's little else Bioware could do.

Bioware told you that the Crucible effect would be different from a supernova, showed a video showing a different sequence of events from what happened in Arrival, showed that the relays put out the Crucible effect rather than a supernova, and showed that the Crucible effect wasn't all-destroying.

Bioware never told you that your crew was stuck on that planet forever, doomed to inbreeding. (They did concede the Normandy's flight was out of place, and agreed to justify it.)

Direct destruction of the relays is only one potential holocaust in that sequence.

The ending was designed for speculations. People speculated the worst. I'd say mission accomplished.


... and they 'stand by their artistic vision,' said so in the press release. If only they'd stood by that vision before removing all the scenes that explained how characters got on the Normandy.

In short: The ending is rushed. Bioware should feel bad.

[Geomon19]

zsom wrote...

Oh please.. grow the **** up.

And what if your spouse ends your relationship after 5 years or more? Will you then give up dating/relationships as well? Because this is how ridiculous it sounds...

This

[locsphere]

zarnk567 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

You'll be back for dragon age 3 OP. We all will

After seeing their interview at PAX, and how Dragon Age 2 turned out?..... No I won't.

THIS! Remember ME1 So much to explore! It took me hours to explore planets sometimes. Seeing little details showed so much care taken when crafting the game. Sure a lot of levels looked the same. But space exploration is going to pre cast certain facilities. So It never bother me! Me2 had little on site exploration, with the downloadable exploration missions. Now... Its just... As you said linear.

[robertm2]

i call bs on op. if you dont feel like playing any games that sounds like a personal problem and that ending wasnt bad enough for anyone else to just stop playing video games for that reason alone. though im sure many would like to say so to exaggerate their dislike for the ending im going to have to say no way and stop crying.

[Dap Brannigan]

I actually feel the same way as the OP. I haven't been playing video games since I finished ME3.

Instead, I picked up a Kindle and started reading for pleasure again. So I guess it's not a bad thing.

[AtreiyaN7]

xsdob wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Because it's THAT bad.
Because we spent 5 years anticipating an end to this story, and that end turned out to be one where our main character is a coward, the universe we came to love is destroyed, and the narrative comes to endorse racism and genocide.

That is not something a lot of us can easily get over.

This

Hyperbole, GO!

I've noticed that threads started by drama queens tend to attract others with similar inclinations.

[Dean_the_Young]

Jagri wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Can you find three different places where Bioware said that they shouldn't change their ending because of artistic integrity? Can you even find one?

http://blog.bioware....-effect/page/2/


Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

• No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

So the quote many people cite as Bioware saying it's ending is sacrosant and refusing to address anything on the basis of artistic integrity... is a post in which 'artistic integrity' isn't used, and in which Bioware is announcing the extended cut to elaborate and address issues people had with the ending.

That says quite a bit about a great number of people.

[NoUserNameHere]

robertm2 wrote...

i call bs on op. if you dont feel like playing any games that sounds like a personal problem and that ending wasnt bad enough for anyone else to just stop playing video games for that reason alone. though im sure many would like to say so to exaggerate their dislike for the ending im going to have to say no way and stop crying.

... well, yes. Nothing happens in a vacuum. Let's say that the ME3 ending was the catalyst (heh) behind our OPs 'conversion' to nongamer. The last straw in a long line of incdents: growing up, less free time, what have you.

[Dean_the_Young]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Direct destruction of the relays is only one potential holocaust in that sequence.

It's also not one that was being indicated by the narrative cues and story.

The ending was designed for speculations. People speculated the worst. I'd say mission accomplished.

Indeed: people have only themselves to blame for going out of their way to pick the worst interpretation and bandy it as fact.

... and they 'stand by their artistic vision,' said so in the press release. If only they'd stood by that vision before removing all the scenes that explained how characters got on the Normandy.

If only they weren't creating a commercial product in a capitalist system and could take as long as they wanted?

In short: The ending is rushed. Bioware should feel bad.

What makes you think they don't?

[Cobra's_back]

The Angry One wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

How many "quitters" has it been now because of just one ending?

I remain confused as to how the ending can be *that* bad to make one hate ALL games. Pretty weird.

Not sure if serious...
... or trolling.

Because it's THAT bad.
Because we spent 5 years anticipating an end to this story, and that end turned out to be one where our main character is a coward, the universe we came to love is destroyed, and the narrative comes to endorse racism and genocide.

That is not something a lot of us can easily get over.

Sadly, yes it did.

[NoUserNameHere]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Jagri wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Can you find three different places where Bioware said that they shouldn't change their ending because of artistic integrity? Can you even find one?

http://blog.bioware....-effect/page/2/


Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

• No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

So the quote many people cite as Bioware saying it's ending is sacrosant and refusing to address anything on the basis of artistic integrity... is a post in which 'artistic integrity' isn't used, and in which Bioware is announcing the extended cut to elaborate and address issues people had with the ending.

That says quite a bit about a great number of people.

The extended cut is what we should've had in the full product. Surely you've seen the content cut in the interests of time, or technical limitations. True 'artistic vision' -- which is totally artistic integrity, or meant to invoke that image -- would involve eating a delay of a few months and getting your original vision on the goddamn disk.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

locsphere wrote...

This is exactly how I feel, I try to sit down and play now, and can't even play COD, I wanted to go back to the good old days and can't even hold my interest with either Kotor. Those are hands down my favorite game of all time. Then I see what EA is planning and what the video game industry is planning for future consoles. Making it hard to play used games. Gamefly being useless. The industry in order to combat certain things is killing itself even further. It makes me hate the "Those who shall not be named" For ripping off the game industry and also at the developers who are so focused on their next quarters earnings that they have diluted my games by cutting them up selling in game items as a commodity, and pushing DLC when they clearly rushed the game.

You do realize the corporate shills have been doing this to the music industry for about 20 years now, right? They still have not adapted to new models. They still push their corporate crap out at us. One corporation owns all the radio stations in the region except for NPR. They sell you mp3s for download and you realize mp3s suck, right? You're missing a good portion of the sound. iTunes is lossless, but damn they're dictatorial. CDs are so 1980s, and need to be improved, but no one is willing to do that -- still 16 bit, but all audio studios record in 32 bit: we could press in 24 bit 96 kHz and the sound would be a fantastic improvement, but they won't go there. They'll spend their money fighting piracy, and all they accomplish is creating a better pirate.

Microsoft via the next gen 720 will use disks. It will have a blu-ray drive. It will play used games. But by the time that one runs its cycle I'll probably be done anyway.

[Sgt Stryker]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

locsphere wrote...

This is exactly how I feel, I try to sit down and play now, and can't even play COD, I wanted to go back to the good old days and can't even hold my interest with either Kotor. Those are hands down my favorite game of all time. Then I see what EA is planning and what the video game industry is planning for future consoles. Making it hard to play used games. Gamefly being useless. The industry in order to combat certain things is killing itself even further. It makes me hate the "Those who shall not be named" For ripping off the game industry and also at the developers who are so focused on their next quarters earnings that they have diluted my games by cutting them up selling in game items as a commodity, and pushing DLC when they clearly rushed the game.

You do realize the corporate shills have been doing this to the music industry for about 20 years now, right? They still have not adapted to new models. They still push their corporate crap out at us. One corporation owns all the radio stations in the region except for NPR. They sell you mp3s for download and you realize mp3s suck, right? You're missing a good portion of the sound. iTunes is lossless, but damn they're dictatorial. CDs are so 1980s, and need to be improved, but no one is willing to do that -- still 16 bit, but all audio studios record in 32 bit: we could press in 24 bit 96 kHz and the sound would be a fantastic improvement, but they won't go there. They'll spend their money fighting piracy, and all they accomplish is creating a better pirate.

Microsoft via the next gen 720 will use disks. It will have a blu-ray drive. It will play used games. But by the time that one runs its cycle I'll probably be done anyway.

I hate to derail this thread, but I just have to comment on this.

Let's also not forget that these same corporate shills will use their lobbying power to make Congress conjure up bills whose sole purpose is to stifle user-generated content on the web, thus eliminating competition. Yes, I'm talking about SOPA, PIPA, CISPA, and whatever other alphabet soup they're trying to shove down our throats these days.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 21 avril 2012 - 07:24 .

[Doctor Uburian]

It is sad that all this has happened because of the whim of a single man.

Modifié par Doctor Uburian, 21 avril 2012 - 07:24 .

[clarkusdarkus]

i think the OP means its affected his gaming life not his actuall life like some seem to believe, i agree to some point with you OP as we have 5 years of investment and the whole game not just the ending left a bad taste upon completion.But if you look back just at ME3 it was a shoddy game anyway so i wouldnt just focus on the ending.