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[G Kevin]

Ryoten wrote...

Ever since the ending to ME3, i have not only lost my motivation for playing what was my favorite video game series.  I have pretty much lost my will to play video games in general.  This entire chain of events that has happened since March, has made me feel like i cant trust developers anymore or feel any joy over purchasing a product.  I cant even get myself to feel excited over Diablo 3 or AC3.  I never thought that a 10 minute ending could have such a negative impact on me.


Thank you Bioware.

I feel the same way.

My advice: Take a break from games in general. Come back to it later once you have caught up on other things in life. Sounds like typical advice but it has helpt me cope with it.

I don't see it wrong or bad that a 10 minute ending can do this to people. It's not like people are weak-willed or "taking it too seriously." Some people (including me) have grown up with mass effect and its one of those things that I live with. Everything I own, I have changed it to represent something from mass effect. I someitmes quote things from mass effect in conversations, papers, etc. For something that people have invested so much to suddenly "crash" is scary. I am not surprised that people don't want to invest in any other games.

I know how you feel OP. Just hang in there.

"Even after the darkest nights, morning always comes."

[ogj835]

Holy crap this thread turned out 12 pages?

[alsonamedbort]

ogj835 wrote...

Holy crap this thread turned out 12 pages?

in fairness, about 6 of the 12 pages are devoted to a very long argument between two posters

[zarnk567]

ogj835 wrote...

Holy crap this thread turned out 12 pages?

It was mainly due to a flame war that raged on the more early pages of this thread.

[xsdob]

^ so basically this happened.

[Dean_the_Young]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

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  The extended cut is what we should've had in the full product. Surely you've seen the content cut in the interests of time, or technical limitations. True 'artistic vision' -- which is totally artistic integrity, or meant to invoke that image -- would involve eating a delay of a few months and getting your original vision on the goddamn disk.

And if artistic considerations were the only considerations to be considered, that might be so. But it isn't, even though Bioware did do a delay of a few monthes to get more of their original vision on the disc.

In an ideal world, there would be infinite expansions of narratives. We wouldn't have had the charicature that was Morinth in ME2. We wouldn't have had dropped plot lines in and from ME1. We wouldn't be restricted to two-three choices of a pre-scripted scenario. In an ideal world we would have infinite patience so that they could make infinite products with infinite time and infinite resources. We would have had multiplayer two games ago, like they were considering.

But we don't live in an ideal world, but the world we do have, and so every developer has to address the 'no more' limit no matter what they wanted to do in an ideal world.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 21 avril 2012 - 07:33 .

[NoUserNameHere]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Direct destruction of the relays is only one potential holocaust in that sequence.

It's also not one that was being indicated by the narrative cues and story.

The ending was designed for speculations. People speculated the worst. I'd say mission accomplished.

Indeed: people have only themselves to blame for going out of their way to pick the worst interpretation and bandy it as fact.

... and they 'stand by their artistic vision,' said so in the press release. If only they'd stood by that vision before removing all the scenes that explained how characters got on the Normandy.

If only they weren't creating a commercial product in a capitalist system and could take as long as they wanted?

In short: The ending is rushed. Bioware should feel bad.

What makes you think they don't?

1) The ending's narrative cues don't indicate jack because the narrative breaks down in the last few sequences. Characters move in ways that they need to so that plotstuff happens. It's a storytelling failure, and that's terrible.

2) A company? A month's worth of gaming press has made it clear that Bioware are auteur besieged by an unruly mob.

3) Everything Bioware's said in the past month, a few leaks of dubious accuracy notwithstanding. Nobody knows what Bioware's writing team feels, not even the writing staff themselves!


... and in line with my previous 'nothing happens in a vacuum' line: This is hardly the first problem Bioware's had in it's existance. The fan backlash has been a long time coming. For years they've continued on with formulaic plots saved by well-written characters. Corner-cutting, questionable design choices, and the DLC whims of certain corporate overlords are beginning to make their presence known.

Ball's in Bioware's court. It's up to Bioware to prove that they’re more than big-budget Star-trek/Song of Ice and Fire fanfic writers with delusions of professional merit, persisting on the fandom’s goodwill based on games made last decade. Until they do I’ll focus my interests elsewhere, or perhaps prowl the forms looking for issues in need of fixing. Of course I’ll be spamming the renegade option in my every response; provides some proper motivation, right? And I’d just love to have some Socrates poser prove to me how I don’t really feel this way at all, explaining how this is  exactly what I wanted in the conclusion to this trilogy all along.

[King Gigglez]

G Kevin wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Ever since the ending to ME3, i have not only lost my motivation for playing what was my favorite video game series.  I have pretty much lost my will to play video games in general.  This entire chain of events that has happened since March, has made me feel like i cant trust developers anymore or feel any joy over purchasing a product.  I cant even get myself to feel excited over Diablo 3 or AC3.  I never thought that a 10 minute ending could have such a negative impact on me.


Thank you Bioware.

I feel the same way.

My advice: Take a break from games in general. Come back to it later once you have caught up on other things in life. Sounds like typical advice but it has helpt me cope with it.

I don't see it wrong or bad that a 10 minute ending can do this to people. It's not like people are weak-willed or "taking it too seriously." Some people (including me) have grown up with mass effect and its one of those things that I live with. Everything I own, I have changed it to represent something from mass effect. I someitmes quote things from mass effect in conversations, papers, etc. For something that people have invested so much to suddenly "crash" is scary. I am not surprised that people don't want to invest in any other games.

I know how you feel OP. Just hang in there.

"Even after the darkest nights, morning always comes."

Mass Effect completely changed my life, I spent a whole year working on a research paper about aliens (60 pages), and then I applied for a scholarship, and ended up winning $1,500 for the scholarship, which was mostly about ME and how it changed my life into things I would like to do. Hell, in my last major project, I attempted to build a robotic Salarian arm (was torn apart by other group members before it was done...) 

The ending did make me lose faith in videogame companies, sure I know ill be called butt hurt and over re-acting, but somethings have major impact on some people, I spent half a decade growing up with this... It was like people growing up with Pokemon or Dragon Ball Z. I already only play games for the story (which limits the amount I tend to have interest in), and if the biggest and probably the best story based game in existance end this bad, then whats not to say the other games won't as well... I only have interest for two games that are/were being released this year, one of which is delayed for another year or canceled, the other... I don't know the release date on... 

[ogj835]

xsdob wrote...

^ so basically this happened.

Yeah, I guess thats fitting, lol.

[jakal66]

Gimmie a break...if one ending is going to do this to you. then yes retire form gaming and choose another hobby but Movies or books might be just as disappointing so...pottery may be?

[Torrible]

MissNet wrote...

Dear OP,
I feel the same.
Doing daily therapy with Tetris and Lines on my phone.
Yesterday I managed to launch Mahjong on my PC and play 20 min.
I think I'll recover soon.
Don't give up.

Therapy? Oh my...

Never mind. Here's my response.

 

RELAPSE!!!

[Cobra's_back]

zarnk567 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

You'll be back for dragon age 3 OP. We all will

After seeing their interview at PAX, and how Dragon Age 2 turned out?..... No I won't.

I'm not waiting for DA3.

[Torrible]

 Hey OP, someone wants a word.


 

[NoUserNameHere]

jakal66 wrote...

Gimmie a break...if one ending is going to do this to you. then yes retire form gaming and choose another hobby but Movies or books might be just as disappointing so...pottery may be?

It would be far better to start writing plots on your own terms. We've all gotten a crash course on how not to end a series, so we're halfway to an outline already.

If anything, lackluster Sci-Fi conclusions do motivate a new generation of potential writers.

Modifié par NoUserNameHere, 21 avril 2012 - 07:41 .

[Doctor Uburian]

Torrible wrote...

 Hey OP, someone wants a word.


 

Why are you trying to troll us, because its funny?
That's sader than the the lead developer's lack of responsavility 

Modifié par Doctor Uburian, 21 avril 2012 - 08:02 .

[WizzyWarlock]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

How many "quitters" has it been now because of just one ending?

I remain confused as to how the ending can be *that* bad to make one hate ALL games. Pretty weird.

I understand what the OP is talking about as I feel the same way. It's not that I hate all games, it's just the ending seems to have sucked all enthusiasm out of me. I try playing something and after a few minutes I end up going, "Meh...", and closing it down. I just don't feel like bothering anymore.

[King Gigglez]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

Gimmie a break...if one ending is going to do this to you. then yes retire form gaming and choose another hobby but Movies or books might be just as disappointing so...pottery may be?

It would be far better to start writing plots on your own terms. We've all gotten a crash course on how not to end a series, so we're halfway to an outline already.

If anything, lackluster Sci-Fi conclusions do motivate a new generation of potential writers.

The problem with writing, is getting heard... there is so much garbage out now that it is impossible to get read. It boils down to who is lucky, and who isn't ... I tried writing a story once, only managed to get 6 or 7 people to read it... they loved it and thought it was very unique, but no one else wanted to read it so i dropped it.

[Doctor Uburian]

King Gigglez wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

Gimmie a break...if one ending is going to do this to you. then yes retire form gaming and choose another hobby but Movies or books might be just as disappointing so...pottery may be?

It would be far better to start writing plots on your own terms. We've all gotten a crash course on how not to end a series, so we're halfway to an outline already.

If anything, lackluster Sci-Fi conclusions do motivate a new generation of potential writers.

The problem with writing, is getting heard... there is so much garbage out now that it is impossible to get read. It boils down to who is lucky, and who isn't ... I tried writing a story once, only managed to get 6 or 7 people to read it... they loved it and thought it was very unique, but no one else wanted to read it so i dropped it.

Just like me

I will try to create a new Story, one more time.

[King Gigglez]

Doctor Uburian wrote...

King Gigglez wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

Gimmie a break...if one ending is going to do this to you. then yes retire form gaming and choose another hobby but Movies or books might be just as disappointing so...pottery may be?

It would be far better to start writing plots on your own terms. We've all gotten a crash course on how not to end a series, so we're halfway to an outline already.

If anything, lackluster Sci-Fi conclusions do motivate a new generation of potential writers.

The problem with writing, is getting heard... there is so much garbage out now that it is impossible to get read. It boils down to who is lucky, and who isn't ... I tried writing a story once, only managed to get 6 or 7 people to read it... they loved it and thought it was very unique, but no one else wanted to read it so i dropped it.

Just like me

I will try to create a new Story, one more time.

Its quite shameful really, and it is the same with almost anything now... It isn't about the quality of stories/music/concepts/scripts/ideas/theories/tallent its all about luck... having the right person see it at the right time.

[Reofeir]

jreezy wrote...

Torrible wrote...

 Hey OP, someone wants a word.


 

I laughed.

That kid...

Modifié par Zenor, 21 avril 2012 - 07:52 .

[Cobra's_back]

Torrible wrote...

 Hey OP, someone wants a word.


 

You are a better person than this. Let's see your more understanding intellectual side. You could list some games the OP might like to play.

[I am KROGAN]

Oxtail Soup wrote...

I admit, even trying to play Skyrim again (which had me really hooked) results in a two minute play before a sigh then log out. Admittedly, I only completed ME3 a week or so ago, having spent ages getting my stories impeccably prepared in ME1 and ME2... for naught.

Hope this passes... sure it will, in due course.

I beat the game a month or so ago.  It gets better, but that feeling of "Why am I doing this, whats the point" still lingers, at least for me.

I also tryed playing Skyrim a few days after beating ME3 and I got to the main menu and said "Why am I doing this?" and just turned my xbox off.

I find it amazing that the ending to a video game series could take away my desire to play other games, it's uncanny.

[darthnick427]

That's too bad dude. As much as I hate the current ME3 ending I love the Mass Effect series too much for that to ruin it for me. The characters and the story are easily worth playing many times over again for me.