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[Ryoten]

OP here. To answer someone's question on here. I was in a 5 year relationship with a girl that ended. Haven't been in another relationship in 7 years

[ticklefist]

I felt this way. Forced myself through some pretty average games trying to get past it. Then the free Diablo III beta/demo weekend happened. It's probably the most perfectly tuned thing I've ever played.

[ticklefist]

Ryoten wrote...

OP here. To answer someone's question on here. I was in a 5 year relationship with a girl that ended. Haven't been in another relationship in 7 years

Why do I get the feeling there's about 6 years of WoW being left out of this tale?

[o Ventus]

I don't think I'll ever stop gaming, but I'm afraid to invest myself so heavily in a franchise as I had done with Mass Effect.

[King Gigglez]

Ryoten wrote...

OP here. To answer someone's question on here. I was in a 5 year relationship with a girl that ended. Haven't been in another relationship in 7 years

I was in a relationship for ... no where near that long, maybe 4 or 5 months... but I haven't had a relationship since then, which was around 3 years ago....

[Ryoten]

Well not wow. I actually got physicaly ill from being prescribed the wrong dose of antibiotics.

[ticklefist]

o Ventus wrote...

I don't think I'll ever stop gaming, but I'm afraid to invest myself so heavily in a franchise as I had done with Mass Effect.

Yeah, at least on an emotional level. From here on I'm happy with driving narrative. A simple reason or motivation to move from point A to point B, but I do not want or need games to help me pretend I'm co-authoring their stories anymore. When I want a fully developed story I'll look to books from here on. On that note, I've forgotten exactly why but there's probably a reason I stopped reading Which Way books and the Choose Your Own Adventure series.

[N7-RedFox]

Ryoten wrote...

Ever since the ending to ME3, i have not only lost my motivation for playing what was my favorite video game series.  I have pretty much lost my will to play video games in general.  This entire chain of events that has happened since March, has made me feel like i cant trust developers anymore or feel any joy over purchasing a product.  I cant even get myself to feel excited over Diablo 3 or AC3.  I never thought that a 10 minute ending could have such a negative impact on me.


Thank you Bioware.

You think ME3 was bad? Dude u should have seen how badly EA r**ped the C&C saga. C&C4 was so bad i could have walked up to the writer and headbutted him until my face fell off.

[Bellarmine360]

That sums it up for me =)

[EvilChani]

I am KROGAN wrote...

Oxtail Soup wrote...

I admit, even trying to play Skyrim again (which had me really hooked) results in a two minute play before a sigh then log out. Admittedly, I only completed ME3 a week or so ago, having spent ages getting my stories impeccably prepared in ME1 and ME2... for naught.

Hope this passes... sure it will, in due course.

I beat the game a month or so ago.  It gets better, but that feeling of "Why am I doing this, whats the point" still lingers, at least for me.

I also tryed playing Skyrim a few days after beating ME3 and I got to the main menu and said "Why am I doing this?" and just turned my xbox off.

I find it amazing that the ending to a video game series could take away my desire to play other games, it's uncanny.

I felt the same way as both of you. I loved Skyrim when it came out and played it until I had done every single thing possible. It was fun. But after ME3, I lost all desire to play any game at all (save Sudoku on my phone). I tried, at first. I put in Skyrim first, intending to start a new character, since I loved it. I didn't get past the character creation screen before I turned it off. It was pointless. I tried Fallout: New Vegas. Same problem. Trying something different, I put in Dragon Age, but the fact that it had BioWare's name stamped on the front made me angry so I gave up on it as well. That was a little over a month ago. 

I thought about it and, at first, it seemed stupid. Insane. Why would the ending of a game series ruin gaming for me entirely? But it isn't stupid. It isn't even all that amazing when you think about what the end of ME3 did - it took a great big dump on hope. Then, in true sadisitic fashion, it laughed in your face that your character's actions actually matter. It isn't your character who saves the day, it's that little piece of **** godstartchild. It left a good number of us feeling drained. The guy who used to work for BioWare (the one who worked on DA:O) explained it the best, I think. I won't go into what he said since everyone here likely read it, but when we finished ME3, we just felt blah. We didn't save the day. Our actions didn't matter a bit and the ending was not only disconnected and senseless, but it was not something that left us feeling satisfied (I won't say "good", because some people want the bad stuff and are satisfied with it). So why would that feeling ruin other games for us?

With Skyrim, Fallout: NV, etc.. a lot is left to the player's imagination. You can imagine the courier hooking up with Boone and healing his wounds. You can imagine the courier becoming BFFs with Veronica. In Skyrim, it's a running joke between me and a couple others that, when one of us plays, we'll sit around talking for Meeko telling the character "tote me! I'm tired of walking!!". It's silly, but it makes the game more fun because there isn't much feeling that your character is actually close to anyone in the game. In other words, even though it's an open world, there isn't much depth to character relations, which is something BioWare has always given us. We care about our squadmates and team, and we feel like our Shepard is actually friends with Joker or Tali or Garrus. Our Shepard is actually in love with his/her LI. We don't have to imagine it...it has been shown to us through what we see on the screen and through the choices we make for our Shepard. Then along comes ME3 and we're smacked in the face with the fact that all of that was, apparently, nothing but BS because it's tossed aside.

Shepard's LI? Yeah, unless it was one of the chosen few that BioWare decided were "good", your Shepard wasn't really in love and those "unacceptable" romanced characters were not in love with your Shepard either. Joker, who has always been there to pull Shep's ass out of the fire, runs away like a chicken **** while you're dying. The two squadmates you bring with you, who you depend on to watch your back, run off so they can escape with Joker while you're left to be all but sodomized by a freaking godchild. All the feelings of connection and immersion that you felt in the last two games are now gone. Rules are changed (Legion, who basically shares a hive mind with other Geth suddenly has to die to share information with them??), relationships are ruined, and your Shepard is, for all intents and purposes, alone. He/she gets one kick in the gut after another - for example, you manage to get the Geth and Quarians to stop fighting each other only to slaughter the Geth at the end. So when you go from that, where you're supposed to have the depth and character development not found from any other gaming company, and hop into Skyrim, where you have never had it, playing feels pointless. 

Last night was the first time since ME3 I played a game for more than fifteen or twenty minutes, and I actually started to enjoy it. I twas DA:O. I still don't trust BioWare to give us a good game again, not as far as I can pick up their building and throw it, but DA:O was good. And, since they have yet to ruin the whole series for me, I'll play it. Unfortunately, the same can't be said of the ME trilogy. And, maybe after I get to the end of DA:O and remember what it feels like to feel good after I play a game, I can play Skyrim again...and go back to having Meeko tell me to tote him. 

[Ryoten]

C&C was one of my favorite games. My mouth dropped when I heard they merged with bioware

[Drenick18]

dude, Diablo 3 comes out next month.

[Luvinn]

To be honest, i barely even noticed it myself. But now when i think about it, I haven't played a video game since I finished ME3. I just feel i have no desire to do it anymore. I canceled my SWTOR account (not out of spite), stopped playing Skyrim, and have no desire to get Diablo 3. Guess i feel like video games "dumped" me in a horrible way after watching the ME3 ending.

Its funny though, i find myself reading books for chemistry for fun now rather than playing video games.

Modifié par Luvinn, 21 avril 2012 - 09:09 .

[Yard Waste]

Drenick18 wrote...

dude, Diablo 3 comes out next month.

LOL--I really want more than a click fest in my games.

[Roguekad]

The Angry One wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

How many "quitters" has it been now because of just one ending?

I remain confused as to how the ending can be *that* bad to make one hate ALL games. Pretty weird.

Not sure if serious...
... or trolling.

Because it's THAT bad.
Because we spent 5 years anticipating an end to this story, and that end turned out to be one where our main character is a coward, the universe we came to love is destroyed, and the narrative comes to endorse racism and genocide.

That is not something a lot of us can easily get over.

It's not just that the ending is bad. It's all the PR spin double talking. If Bioware/ EA will pull things like this coupled with Square Enix's flat out stating that players must pay for the ending to FF13. In how they've treated their conusmers it's erroded the trust many of us had in their brand. That trust and the comments/ promises made before release are the reasons most of us will pre-order their products. Add in the reviews that don't take into effect the glitches that haven't been awknowledged and I won't be buying any game until I hear from someone I know personally how it is.

After all this I coudn't bring myself to game at all until this last weekend. Not my Xbox, PS3 or my PC. I only logged on to SWTOR because a friend asked me to give it another chance on the free week they gave me. I still have no interest in gaming as of now.

[ticklefist]

It's not that video games can't be written well. It's that good writers take their work to a more profitable medium. In order to enjoy games you have to shift your focus back over to gameplay.

[durasteel]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

How many "quitters" has it been now because of just one ending?

I remain confused as to how the ending can be *that* bad to make one hate ALL games. Pretty weird.

Not sure if serious...
... or trolling.

The ending of Mass Effect 3 didn't just make me feel bad about Shepard or the Mass Effect series and universe, it made me feel bad about myself. I know that sounds a little bit over-the-top, so let me explain.

I am an adult, and I have been an adult now for most of my life (I'm 41.) I'm married, with a lot of education and a respectable career. Stereotypes suggest that I shouldn't place much importance on something like a video game, and that Mass Effect 3 and the entire series should have been "just a game" for me, but it wasn't.

Because I could "be" Shepard to a much greater degree than a typical fictional character, I became much more invested in that character's successes and challenges. Because of the time I spent with those well-written and acted characters and in that world, I began to care on a level that dramatically transcended "just a game."

By the time Mass Effect 3 was released, I was (I now realize) foolishly over-enthusiastic. I had pre-ordered the collector's edition and showed up to pick it up at midnight. I was planing to buy some of the collectibles, like a model of the Normandy for my desk. I was counting on Mass Effect 3 to deliver an immensely satisfying experience that provided escapism and catharsis. Real life is stressful, and I was depending on this to provide an outlet. I believed in Hudson and BioWare with a fool's unquestioning faith.

The ending to the game made me realize that I had my head up my fundament.

In just a few star-child minutes, I began to think about the time I had spent playing as wasted--time I could have been working, or sleeping, or exercising, or just spending with my wife or with friends. I began to understand how ridiculous it was to depend on a virtual world for stress relief. I understood how laughable it is to take video game characters seriously.

Since that time I have relaxed a little, and gained some perspective. I have come to understand that what I was depending on Mass Effect 3 to fulfill is, in fact, the role of art in human existence. The fact that BioWare and Mass Effect had been performing that function so well previously, I think, settles forever the question of whether video games can be art. The sad irony, though, is that the ending failed so completely on that same level. When Dr. Muzyka and others speak of respecting the artistic integrity of the ending I have to laugh, bitterly. Changing the ending wouldn't compromise artistic integrity, it could actually restore it. The real compromise to their artistic integrity was to produce such an ending in the first place.

I have never given much credence to  the assertions that BioWare "lied" about the game before it was released. For the most part, I think they were simply articulating plans that never came to fruition. That happens in a creative process, and I can excuse a certain amount of it. When this group of talented, capable, intelligent professionals suggest that they are proud of this ending, though... that is a lie.

[Ryoten]

Here here ^

[EwEs2]

Are you guys serious? I mean really serious? You quit video games, because one ending. Whether you like it or not, it is JUST A GAME! If you make it larger than life, you're doing it wrong. And when I say "just a game", I mean it is just a peace of entertainment. Just like a book or a movie. Nothing more. Please people, put your life in perspective. There are more serious things in your life, I'm sure of it. If not, you're living  way too good life to be whining about you not being able to play video games.

[clarkusdarkus]

EvilChani wrote...

I am KROGAN wrote...

Oxtail Soup wrote...

I admit, even trying to play Skyrim again (which had me really hooked) results in a two minute play before a sigh then log out. Admittedly, I only completed ME3 a week or so ago, having spent ages getting my stories impeccably prepared in ME1 and ME2... for naught.

Hope this passes... sure it will, in due course.

I beat the game a month or so ago.  It gets better, but that feeling of "Why am I doing this, whats the point" still lingers, at least for me.

I also tryed playing Skyrim a few days after beating ME3 and I got to the main menu and said "Why am I doing this?" and just turned my xbox off.

I find it amazing that the ending to a video game series could take away my desire to play other games, it's uncanny.

I felt the same way as both of you. I loved Skyrim when it came out and played it until I had done every single thing possible. It was fun. But after ME3, I lost all desire to play any game at all (save Sudoku on my phone). I tried, at first. I put in Skyrim first, intending to start a new character, since I loved it. I didn't get past the character creation screen before I turned it off. It was pointless. I tried Fallout: New Vegas. Same problem. Trying something different, I put in Dragon Age, but the fact that it had BioWare's name stamped on the front made me angry so I gave up on it as well. That was a little over a month ago. 

I thought about it and, at first, it seemed stupid. Insane. Why would the ending of a game series ruin gaming for me entirely? But it isn't stupid. It isn't even all that amazing when you think about what the end of ME3 did - it took a great big dump on hope. Then, in true sadisitic fashion, it laughed in your face that your character's actions actually matter. It isn't your character who saves the day, it's that little piece of **** godstartchild. It left a good number of us feeling drained. The guy who used to work for BioWare (the one who worked on DA:O) explained it the best, I think. I won't go into what he said since everyone here likely read it, but when we finished ME3, we just felt blah. We didn't save the day. Our actions didn't matter a bit and the ending was not only disconnected and senseless, but it was not something that left us feeling satisfied (I won't say "good", because some people want the bad stuff and are satisfied with it). So why would that feeling ruin other games for us?

With Skyrim, Fallout: NV, etc.. a lot is left to the player's imagination. You can imagine the courier hooking up with Boone and healing his wounds. You can imagine the courier becoming BFFs with Veronica. In Skyrim, it's a running joke between me and a couple others that, when one of us plays, we'll sit around talking for Meeko telling the character "tote me! I'm tired of walking!!". It's silly, but it makes the game more fun because there isn't much feeling that your character is actually close to anyone in the game. In other words, even though it's an open world, there isn't much depth to character relations, which is something BioWare has always given us. We care about our squadmates and team, and we feel like our Shepard is actually friends with Joker or Tali or Garrus. Our Shepard is actually in love with his/her LI. We don't have to imagine it...it has been shown to us through what we see on the screen and through the choices we make for our Shepard. Then along comes ME3 and we're smacked in the face with the fact that all of that was, apparently, nothing but BS because it's tossed aside.

Shepard's LI? Yeah, unless it was one of the chosen few that BioWare decided were "good", your Shepard wasn't really in love and those "unacceptable" romanced characters were not in love with your Shepard either. Joker, who has always been there to pull Shep's ass out of the fire, runs away like a chicken **** while you're dying. The two squadmates you bring with you, who you depend on to watch your back, run off so they can escape with Joker while you're left to be all but sodomized by a freaking godchild. All the feelings of connection and immersion that you felt in the last two games are now gone. Rules are changed (Legion, who basically shares a hive mind with other Geth suddenly has to die to share information with them??), relationships are ruined, and your Shepard is, for all intents and purposes, alone. He/she gets one kick in the gut after another - for example, you manage to get the Geth and Quarians to stop fighting each other only to slaughter the Geth at the end. So when you go from that, where you're supposed to have the depth and character development not found from any other gaming company, and hop into Skyrim, where you have never had it, playing feels pointless. 

Last night was the first time since ME3 I played a game for more than fifteen or twenty minutes, and I actually started to enjoy it. I twas DA:O. I still don't trust BioWare to give us a good game again, not as far as I can pick up their building and throw it, but DA:O was good. And, since they have yet to ruin the whole series for me, I'll play it. Unfortunately, the same can't be said of the ME trilogy. And, maybe after I get to the end of DA:O and remember what it feels like to feel good after I play a game, I can play Skyrim again...and go back to having Meeko tell me to tote him. 

i agree completely, after the ending i was just in a weird state of mind concerning games, because the love i had for ME slowly turned to hate after there smug replys and so forth concerning the endings, and the fact ME3 was a broken game. But i also tried skyrim, didnt get far....tried DA origins and just couldnt get into it again, and i think its because iv'e realised how much of an insult ME3 was, nothing we did mattered at all, and MP taking precedant over the SP. its now a sci-fi gears and thats not what i was immersed into 5 years ago starting the ME series. It will be awhile untill i feel the need to play a game again because now im on alert to all the bullcrap developers will be saying pre-release. 

[Ryoten]

To the people saying " its just a game" are pretty stupid. That's like saying " its just a car, or a sport, or cards, or booze". Anything you do to enhance the quality of your life, or happiness is just a blank is short sited.

[Nicodemus]

EwEs2 wrote...

Are you guys serious? I mean really serious? You quit video games, because one ending. Whether you like it or not, it is JUST A GAME! If you make it larger than life, you're doing it wrong. And when I say "just a game", I mean it is just a peace of entertainment. Just like a book or a movie. Nothing more. Please people, put your life in perspective. There are more serious things in your life, I'm sure of it. If not, you're living  way too good life to be whining about you not being able to play video games.

Of course there are more serious things in life, this is why people play games.. to ESCAPE them. A lot of people need to relieve the stress of their lives in some way and what they don't want is to have a game that bangs home the point that life sucks, deal with it. Which is basically what Bioware allowed Hudson and Walters to produce and then support. 

If people want to see that life sucks they just have to turn on the news and watch the latest episode of ****** Sapiens Stupiditus and his ever evolving love of screwing everything up. I play games to enjoy myself, not feel that I've just buried my mother, because quite frankly I did that 8 years ago and I never wanted to feel like that again. Thanks to Bioware, ME3 made me relive that epsiode and I still haven't forgiven them for rekindling that feeling of loss.

[Darth Wraith]

I ate this really crappy meal the other day, and I feel so disappointed I'm just going to stop eating forever. That'll teach them.

[devSin]

On the one hand, I can sympathize with this. I haven't actually played any game since witnessing the ending. I've poked around and done a few starter runs with Origins, but I've yet to actually sit down and play something with the intent of playing through from the beginning to the end. And I definitely haven't had any desire to play any of the Mass Effect games again.

But on the other, I'm still excited for Diablo III. I don't feel like I'm "done" with gaming, even if I haven't really been able to muster much enthusiasm for video games the past month.

Whatever you decide, I hope you return to getting enjoyment from the ways you spend your leisure.