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[DJBare]

durasteel wrote...

The ending of Mass Effect 3 didn't just make me feel bad about Shepard or the Mass Effect series and universe, it made me feel bad about myself. I know that sounds a little bit over-the-top, so let me explain.

I am an adult, and I have been an adult now for most of my life (I'm 41.) I'm married, with a lot of education and a respectable career. Stereotypes suggest that I shouldn't place much importance on something like a video game, and that Mass Effect 3 and the entire series should have been "just a game" for me, but it wasn't.

Because I could "be" Shepard to a much greater degree than a typical fictional character, I became much more invested in that character's successes and challenges. Because of the time I spent with those well-written and acted characters and in that world, I began to care on a level that dramatically transcended "just a game."

By the time Mass Effect 3 was released, I was (I now realize) foolishly over-enthusiastic. I had pre-ordered the collector's edition and showed up to pick it up at midnight. I was planing to buy some of the collectibles, like a model of the Normandy for my desk. I was counting on Mass Effect 3 to deliver an immensely satisfying experience that provided escapism and catharsis. Real life is stressful, and I was depending on this to provide an outlet. I believed in Hudson and BioWare with a fool's unquestioning faith.

The ending to the game made me realize that I had my head up my fundament.

In just a few star-child minutes, I began to think about the time I had spent playing as wasted--time I could have been working, or sleeping, or exercising, or just spending with my wife or with friends. I began to understand how ridiculous it was to depend on a virtual world for stress relief. I understood how laughable it is to take video game characters seriously.

Since that time I have relaxed a little, and gained some perspective. I have come to understand that what I was depending on Mass Effect 3 to fulfill is, in fact, the role of art in human existence. The fact that BioWare and Mass Effect had been performing that function so well previously, I think, settles forever the question of whether video games can be art. The sad irony, though, is that the ending failed so completely on that same level. When Dr. Muzyka and others speak of respecting the artistic integrity of the ending I have to laugh, bitterly. Changing the ending wouldn't compromise artistic integrity, it could actually restore it. The real compromise to their artistic integrity was to produce such an ending in the first place.

I have never given much credence to  the assertions that BioWare "lied" about the game before it was released. For the most part, I think they were simply articulating plans that never came to fruition. That happens in a creative process, and I can excuse a certain amount of it. When this group of talented, capable, intelligent professionals suggest that they are proud of this ending, though... that is a lie.

Best post in the thread, QFT.

[RogueBot]

Wow... if the ending has had such an impact on certain people that they actual stop playing video games, it must be a powerful piece of art indeed.

[Ryoten]

I don't think that was the intent of the ending.

[shurikenmanta]

RogueBot wrote...

Wow... if the ending has had such an impact on certain people that they actual stop playing video games, it must be a powerful piece of art indeed.

That's be the case if they actually were stopping, and weren't just hamming it up.

Think about it. If you really didn't care all that much about gaming any more, you'd probably just stop and do something else, fade away as it were. Not barge in with a huge 'LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO BIOWARE' guilt trip.

Modifié par shurikenmanta, 22 avril 2012 - 05:25 .

[RogueBot]

shurikenmanta wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

Wow... if the ending has had such an impact on certain people that they actual stop playing video games, it must be a powerful piece of art indeed.

That's be the case if they actually were stopping, and weren't just hamming it up.

Think about it. If you really didn't care all that much about gaming any more, you'd probably just stop and do something else, fade away as it were. Not barge in with a huge 'LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO BIOWARE' guilt trip.

A few therapy sessions on Bioware's tab, and they'll be right as rain, back in front of the TV again, sitting on the couch with a controller in their hand like nothing happened.

[Reptilian Rob]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Ever since the ending to ME3, i have not only lost my motivation for playing what was my favorite video game series.  I have pretty much lost my will to play video games in general.  This entire chain of events that has happened since March, has made me feel like i cant trust developers anymore or feel any joy over purchasing a product.  I cant even get myself to feel excited over Diablo 3 or AC3.  I never thought that a 10 minute ending could have such a negative impact on me.


Thank you Bioware.

It is not a problem with ME3 ending, sounds to me like a problem of your own making developed over time long before you even played ME3. 

And no sense was made. 

[Pfor]

The Angry One wrote...
the narrative comes to endorse racism and genocide.

Hahahah, you have got to be kidding. 

Although outraged hyperbolic statements looks like a fun game to play. 

The ending to Mass Effect 3 molested me as a child 
The ending to Mass Effect 3 gave me AIDS. 
The ending to Mass Effect 3 broke into my house and wrecked up the place. 

[thesnake777]

Pfor wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
the narrative comes to endorse racism and genocide.

Hahahah, you have got to be kidding. 

Although outraged hyperbolic statements looks like a fun game to play. 

The ending to Mass Effect 3 molested me as a child 
The ending to Mass Effect 3 gave me AIDS. 
The ending to Mass Effect 3 broke into my house and wrecked up the place. 

That last one was due to Rage Quitting ME3


Edit: and truth be told those ending really force shep to commit terrible acts.. So the angry one's statment is correct.

Modifié par thesnake777, 22 avril 2012 - 05:36 .

[Reptilian Rob]

Pfor wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
the narrative comes to endorse racism and genocide.

Hahahah, you have got to be kidding. 

Although outraged hyperbolic statements looks like a fun game to play. 

The ending to Mass Effect 3 molested me as a child 
The ending to Mass Effect 3 gave me AIDS. 
The ending to Mass Effect 3 broke into my house and wrecked up the place. 

Well...

Destroy = Genocide

Control = Slavery

Synthesis = Genetic rape

Bascually Shepard is turned into a horrible, horrific person. 

[shurikenmanta]

thesnake777 wrote...

Pfor wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
the narrative comes to endorse racism and genocide.

Hahahah, you have got to be kidding. 

Although outraged hyperbolic statements looks like a fun game to play. 

The ending to Mass Effect 3 molested me as a child 
The ending to Mass Effect 3 gave me AIDS. 
The ending to Mass Effect 3 broke into my house and wrecked up the place. 

That last one was due to Rage Quitting ME3

Like that guy who destroyed his TV in anger and tried to make BW cough up for a new one.

[Blade Blackheart]

I stopped playing videogames as well since I completed ME3 three weeks ago. Of course I will get back to them, of course (and luckily) playing games is just entertainment and a small (although very cherished) part of my life, but I feel completely cheated. False advertising, a lot of emotional investment gone to hell, and on top of it all, being laughed at by EA. Now, of course that makes me "just a tad" upset and it's very much understandable that turns a lot of people off. I think it's a relationship gone bad, the one between us fans who disliked the endings and both EA/BW and a large part of the gaming industry (they've been pulling off tricks like this too often, now), so it surely takes time to heal.

The only thing I know for sure is that they're not seeing a single penny from me unless they fix those asinine endings, thank you very much. Me going back to gaming, sure, it will happen, but not with their products, seeing how things are going (change those endings!).

[bmwcrazy]

You can't quit.

Gaming is like crack.

[3DandBeyond]

durasteel wrote...

The ending of Mass Effect 3 didn't just make me feel bad about Shepard or the Mass Effect series and universe, it made me feel bad about myself. I know that sounds a little bit over-the-top, so let me explain.

I am an adult, and I have been an adult now for most of my life (I'm 41.) I'm married, with a lot of education and a respectable career. Stereotypes suggest that I shouldn't place much importance on something like a video game, and that Mass Effect 3 and the entire series should have been "just a game" for me, but it wasn't.

Because I could "be" Shepard to a much greater degree than a typical fictional character, I became much more invested in that character's successes and challenges. Because of the time I spent with those well-written and acted characters and in that world, I began to care on a level that dramatically transcended "just a game."

By the time Mass Effect 3 was released, I was (I now realize) foolishly over-enthusiastic. I had pre-ordered the collector's edition and showed up to pick it up at midnight. I was planing to buy some of the collectibles, like a model of the Normandy for my desk. I was counting on Mass Effect 3 to deliver an immensely satisfying experience that provided escapism and catharsis. Real life is stressful, and I was depending on this to provide an outlet. I believed in Hudson and BioWare with a fool's unquestioning faith.

The ending to the game made me realize that I had my head up my fundament.

In just a few star-child minutes, I began to think about the time I had spent playing as wasted--time I could have been working, or sleeping, or exercising, or just spending with my wife or with friends. I began to understand how ridiculous it was to depend on a virtual world for stress relief. I understood how laughable it is to take video game characters seriously.

Since that time I have relaxed a little, and gained some perspective. I have come to understand that what I was depending on Mass Effect 3 to fulfill is, in fact, the role of art in human existence. The fact that BioWare and Mass Effect had been performing that function so well previously, I think, settles forever the question of whether video games can be art. The sad irony, though, is that the ending failed so completely on that same level. When Dr. Muzyka and others speak of respecting the artistic integrity of the ending I have to laugh, bitterly. Changing the ending wouldn't compromise artistic integrity, it could actually restore it. The real compromise to their artistic integrity was to produce such an ending in the first place.

I have never given much credence to  the assertions that BioWare "lied" about the game before it was released. For the most part, I think they were simply articulating plans that never came to fruition. That happens in a creative process, and I can excuse a certain amount of it. When this group of talented, capable, intelligent professionals suggest that they are proud of this ending, though... that is a lie.

This is exactly right.  I absolutely agree that with real life being so hard, we look to our entertainment (we always have) to fill that fun void or to just de-stress.  And, in creating this ending (which they adhere to with the "artistic integrity" comment), they actually ruined the works of art that were ME1, ME2, and ME3.  If ME3 had had an ending that fulfilled the promise of these games and kept faith with the story that we as Shepard helped to create, then it would have been a complete work of art.  We not so much consumed these games as we lived them, because we became Shepard.  At the end, we are merely observers watching a train wreck that we are powerless to stop.

[CDRSkyShepard]

I'm not a gamer, so it's pretty safe to say I won't be playing games nearly as often as I will be watching Netflix on my Xbox.

I pick and choose my games. The only reason I picked up a controller at all is because of Mass Effect. I greatly adore well-thought-out sci-fi universes, and that's why I even have my Xbox. I fell in love with this franchise. Deeply. I don't care about this game as a game, I care about it as a sci-fi story. Tell me where I can find a richer, deeper, more interactive sci-fi game and that's what I'll latch on to. (Tell me Halo and I will hurt you, because that game bores me to tears.)

When people say, "Just go play this game" or "go support this developer," it just doesn't hold any weight. I only played other games because of Mass Effect. Now that I have almost no desire to play it anymore, I have no desire to play anything else. Heck, I think the only game I have in my collection I've beaten more than once are the Mass Effect games. I don't see myself playing again for a very, very long time...I've learned that investing your time in these things isn't always worthwhile.

[Omega Torsk]

After I saw ME3's ending, I told myself "Never again, not for a freaking video game." I spent the prior 9 months in a state of hype, literally counting down the days 'til March 6th. I was so afraid I would die without seeing the end of Mass Effect. I pre-ordered months in advance (and people that know me know that I very rarely pre-order games). I defended Bioware when the Day 1 DLC upstart happened. I put so much faith and hope into Bioware that I was completely taken aback by what they felt I deserved in an ending. Everything up to that point was everything I had hoped for and more and then Bioware had to pull a Willy Wonka on us...

It's ALL there! Red, green, and BLUE! CLEAR as CRYSTAL! For all my hard work, dedication to the franchise, love of the characters, story, and company that brought them to us, three games of careful labor, and hundreds of dollars spent, I get NOTHING!

I LOSE!

GOOD DAY, SIRS!

/headdesk

[Cirreus]

Nicodemus wrote...


Of course there are more serious things in life, this is why people play games.. to ESCAPE them. A lot of people need to relieve the stress of their lives in some way and what they don't want is to have a game that bangs home the point that life sucks, deal with it. Which is basically what Bioware allowed Hudson and Walters to produce and then support. 

If people want to see that life sucks they just have to turn on the news and watch the latest episode of ****** Sapiens Stupiditus and his ever evolving love of screwing everything up. I play games to enjoy myself, not feel that I've just buried my mother, because quite frankly I did that 8 years ago and I never wanted to feel like that again. Thanks to Bioware, ME3 made me relive that epsiode and I still haven't forgiven them for rekindling that feeling of loss.

My father died 7 years ago & this rings painfully true for me aswell. Games have always been a postive escape until now. It's been 2 months of feeling like sh*t over a video game.

[MintyCool]

Ryoten wrote...
I never thought that a 10 minute ending could have such a negative impact on me.

How laughable... your parents must be so disappointed in you.

[_aLucidMind_]

MintyCool wrote...

Ryoten wrote...
I never thought that a 10 minute ending could have such a negative impact on me.

How laughable... your parents must be so disappointed in you.

Not as disappointed as your parents likely are in you, I am sure.

Modifié par _aLucidMind_, 22 avril 2012 - 06:17 .

[QuantumSheep13]

MintyCool wrote...

Ryoten wrote...
I never thought that a 10 minute ending could have such a negative impact on me.

How laughable... your parents must be so disappointed in you.

0/10

Poor attempt at trolling.

Besides, a negative emotional impact because of the crappy ending of a video game isn't laughable, it just shows the person in question was very invested in the game.

[CavScout]

The number of people who need perspective is staggering! Although, I guess therapists are happy as hell with threads like this.

Modifié par CavScout, 22 avril 2012 - 06:23 .

[MintyCool]

CavScout wrote...

The number of people who need perspective is staggering! Although, I guess therapists are happy as hell with threads like this.

I love you.

<3

[D_Dude1210]

Wow. Funny how pro-enders would actually come to a topic that had nothing to do with the logic of the ending and everything to do with one person's personal experience with the game simply to troll.

Kinda paints a bad picture of what sort of person you have to be to actually manage to enjoy the ending...

[Grimgaww]

RogueBot wrote...

Wow... if the ending has had such an impact on certain people that they actual stop playing video games, it must be a powerful piece of art indeed.

The whole catalyst twist with the three options was artistically/emotionally amazing (+ depressing)  but it
 just doesn't fit ME series.

[ananna21]

Theres supposed to be a new ip made from the makers of the witcher. The constant darkness in games makes me want to retire once in a while but bioshock infinite looks to good to pass up.