RogueBot wrote...
Wow... if the ending has had such an impact on certain people that they actual stop playing video games, it must be a powerful piece of art indeed.
Modifié par MintyCool, 22 avril 2012 - 06:34 .
MintyCool wrote...
RogueBot wrote...
Wow... if the ending has had such an impact on certain people that they actual stop playing video games, it must be a powerful piece of art indeed.
BEAST MODE. ROGUEBAT JUST PUT THIS ENTIRE TOPIC IN CHECKMATE.
Retake caught in another double standard, again!
Modifié par The Anti-Saint, 22 avril 2012 - 06:42 .
3DandBeyond wrote...
durasteel wrote...
The ending of Mass Effect 3 didn't just make me feel bad about Shepard or the Mass Effect series and universe, it made me feel bad about myself. I know that sounds a little bit over-the-top, so let me explain.
I am an adult, and I have been an adult now for most of my life (I'm 41.) I'm married, with a lot of education and a respectable career. Stereotypes suggest that I shouldn't place much importance on something like a video game, and that Mass Effect 3 and the entire series should have been "just a game" for me, but it wasn't.
Because I could "be" Shepard to a much greater degree than a typical fictional character, I became much more invested in that character's successes and challenges. Because of the time I spent with those well-written and acted characters and in that world, I began to care on a level that dramatically transcended "just a game."
By the time Mass Effect 3 was released, I was (I now realize) foolishly over-enthusiastic. I had pre-ordered the collector's edition and showed up to pick it up at midnight. I was planing to buy some of the collectibles, like a model of the Normandy for my desk. I was counting on Mass Effect 3 to deliver an immensely satisfying experience that provided escapism and catharsis. Real life is stressful, and I was depending on this to provide an outlet. I believed in Hudson and BioWare with a fool's unquestioning faith.
The ending to the game made me realize that I had my head up my fundament.
In just a few star-child minutes, I began to think about the time I had spent playing as wasted--time I could have been working, or sleeping, or exercising, or just spending with my wife or with friends. I began to understand how ridiculous it was to depend on a virtual world for stress relief. I understood how laughable it is to take video game characters seriously.
Since that time I have relaxed a little, and gained some perspective. I have come to understand that what I was depending on Mass Effect 3 to fulfill is, in fact, the role of art in human existence. The fact that BioWare and Mass Effect had been performing that function so well previously, I think, settles forever the question of whether video games can be art. The sad irony, though, is that the ending failed so completely on that same level. When Dr. Muzyka and others speak of respecting the artistic integrity of the ending I have to laugh, bitterly. Changing the ending wouldn't compromise artistic integrity, it could actually restore it. The real compromise to their artistic integrity was to produce such an ending in the first place.
I have never given much credence to the assertions that BioWare "lied" about the game before it was released. For the most part, I think they were simply articulating plans that never came to fruition. That happens in a creative process, and I can excuse a certain amount of it. When this group of talented, capable, intelligent professionals suggest that they are proud of this ending, though... that is a lie.
This is exactly right. I absolutely agree that with real life being so hard, we look to our entertainment (we always have) to fill that fun void or to just de-stress. And, in creating this ending (which they adhere to with the "artistic integrity" comment), they actually ruined the works of art that were ME1, ME2, and ME3. If ME3 had had an ending that fulfilled the promise of these games and kept faith with the story that we as Shepard helped to create, then it would have been a complete work of art. We not so much consumed these games as we lived them, because we became Shepard. At the end, we are merely observers watching a train wreck that we are powerless to stop.
DJBare wrote...
Best post in the thread, QFT.durasteel wrote...
The ending of Mass Effect 3 didn't just make me feel bad about Shepard or the Mass Effect series and universe, it made me feel bad about myself. I know that sounds a little bit over-the-top, so let me explain.
I am an adult, and I have been an adult now for most of my life (I'm 41.) I'm married, with a lot of education and a respectable career. Stereotypes suggest that I shouldn't place much importance on something like a video game, and that Mass Effect 3 and the entire series should have been "just a game" for me, but it wasn't.
Because I could "be" Shepard to a much greater degree than a typical fictional character, I became much more invested in that character's successes and challenges. Because of the time I spent with those well-written and acted characters and in that world, I began to care on a level that dramatically transcended "just a game."
By the time Mass Effect 3 was released, I was (I now realize) foolishly over-enthusiastic. I had pre-ordered the collector's edition and showed up to pick it up at midnight. I was planing to buy some of the collectibles, like a model of the Normandy for my desk. I was counting on Mass Effect 3 to deliver an immensely satisfying experience that provided escapism and catharsis. Real life is stressful, and I was depending on this to provide an outlet. I believed in Hudson and BioWare with a fool's unquestioning faith.
The ending to the game made me realize that I had my head up my fundament.
In just a few star-child minutes, I began to think about the time I had spent playing as wasted--time I could have been working, or sleeping, or exercising, or just spending with my wife or with friends. I began to understand how ridiculous it was to depend on a virtual world for stress relief. I understood how laughable it is to take video game characters seriously.
Since that time I have relaxed a little, and gained some perspective. I have come to understand that what I was depending on Mass Effect 3 to fulfill is, in fact, the role of art in human existence. The fact that BioWare and Mass Effect had been performing that function so well previously, I think, settles forever the question of whether video games can be art. The sad irony, though, is that the ending failed so completely on that same level. When Dr. Muzyka and others speak of respecting the artistic integrity of the ending I have to laugh, bitterly. Changing the ending wouldn't compromise artistic integrity, it could actually restore it. The real compromise to their artistic integrity was to produce such an ending in the first place.
I have never given much credence to the assertions that BioWare "lied" about the game before it was released. For the most part, I think they were simply articulating plans that never came to fruition. That happens in a creative process, and I can excuse a certain amount of it. When this group of talented, capable, intelligent professionals suggest that they are proud of this ending, though... that is a lie.
D_Dude1210 wrote...
Wow. Funny how pro-enders would actually come to a topic that had nothing to do with the logic of the ending and everything to do with one person's personal experience with the game simply to troll.
Kinda paints a bad picture of what sort of person you have to be to actually manage to enjoy the ending...
QuantumSheep13 wrote...
MintyCool wrote...
RogueBot wrote...
Wow... if the ending has had such an impact on certain people that they actual stop playing video games, it must be a powerful piece of art indeed.
BEAST MODE. ROGUEBAT JUST PUT THIS ENTIRE TOPIC IN CHECKMATE.
Retake caught in another double standard, again!
You're trying a bit too hard there, MintyCool. It's kind of sad.
Besides, maybe the "art" in question was so bad it puts them off of playing similar works of "art"?
Modifié par MintyCool, 22 avril 2012 - 06:57 .
To start; I haven't read any replies, so I apologise for thatRyoten wrote...
Ever since the ending to ME3, i have not only lost my motivation for playing what was my favorite video game series. I have pretty much lost my will to play video games in general. This entire chain of events that has happened since March, has made me feel like i cant trust developers anymore or feel any joy over purchasing a product. I cant even get myself to feel excited over Diablo 3 or AC3. I never thought that a 10 minute ending could have such a negative impact on me.
Thank you Bioware.
Modifié par OldSwede, 22 avril 2012 - 06:48 .
CavScout wrote...
D_Dude1210 wrote...
Wow. Funny how pro-enders would actually come to a topic that had nothing to do with the logic of the ending and everything to do with one person's personal experience with the game simply to troll.
Kinda paints a bad picture of what sort of person you have to be to actually manage to enjoy the ending...
Complaining about ad hominems while launching volleys of ad hominems. classic.
RogueBot wrote...
Wow... if the ending has had such an impact on certain people that they actual stop playing video games, it must be a powerful piece of art indeed.
MintyCool wrote...
QuantumSheep13 wrote...
MintyCool wrote...
RogueBot wrote...
Wow... if the ending has had such an impact on certain people that they actual stop playing video games, it must be a powerful piece of art indeed.
BEAST MODE. ROGUEBAT JUST PUT THIS ENTIRE TOPIC IN CHECKMATE.
Retake caught in another double standard, again!
You're trying a bit too hard there, MintyCool. It's kind of sad.
Besides, maybe the "art" in question was so bad it puts them off of playing similar works of "art"?
I think you should watch this friend, I think this perfectly symbolizes Retakes failed efforts: www.youtube.com/watch
Since all of you worked so hard, you have now given me the gift of a extended version of the ending I already enjoy.
Modifié par D_Dude1210, 22 avril 2012 - 06:51 .
CavScout wrote...
D_Dude1210 wrote...
Wow. Funny how pro-enders would actually come to a topic that had nothing to do with the logic of the ending and everything to do with one person's personal experience with the game simply to troll.
Kinda paints a bad picture of what sort of person you have to be to actually manage to enjoy the ending...
Complaining about ad hominems while launching volleys of ad hominems. classic.
D_Dude1210 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
D_Dude1210 wrote...
Wow. Funny how pro-enders would actually come to a topic that had nothing to do with the logic of the ending and everything to do with one person's personal experience with the game simply to troll.
Kinda paints a bad picture of what sort of person you have to be to actually manage to enjoy the ending...
Complaining about ad hominems while launching volleys of ad hominems. classic.
Nice strawman. But I wasn't complaining. Simply pointing out an observation.
Reading comprehension, ftw?
LIES DRIP FROM YOUR MOUTH!CDRSkyShepard wrote...
I'm not a gamer.
Tony208 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
D_Dude1210 wrote...
Wow. Funny how pro-enders would actually come to a topic that had nothing to do with the logic of the ending and everything to do with one person's personal experience with the game simply to troll.
Kinda paints a bad picture of what sort of person you have to be to actually manage to enjoy the ending...
Complaining about ad hominems while launching volleys of ad hominems. classic.
So are you admitting to trolling then?
Averdi wrote...
RogueBot wrote...
Wow... if the ending has had such an impact on certain people that they actual stop playing video games, it must be a powerful piece of art indeed.
I'd argue that it's less that the ending is artistic insomuch as it destroyed the art of the series. That's what people mourn and were upset over.
MintyCool wrote...
QuantumSheep13 wrote...
MintyCool wrote...
RogueBot wrote...
Wow... if the ending has had such an impact on certain people that they actual stop playing video games, it must be a powerful piece of art indeed.
BEAST MODE. ROGUEBAT JUST PUT THIS ENTIRE TOPIC IN CHECKMATE.
Retake caught in another double standard, again!
You're trying a bit too hard there, MintyCool. It's kind of sad.
Besides, maybe the "art" in question was so bad it puts them off of playing similar works of "art"?
I think you should watch this friend, I think this perfectly symbolizes Retakes failed efforts: www.youtube.com/watch
Since all of you worked so hard, you have now given me the gift of a extended version of the ending I already enjoy.
All the while I've been catching the Spring sun, you continue to dwell here...
Day after day.
Dream about this conversation tonight. You know this will be the last thing on your mind...
<3
Modifié par QuantumSheep13, 22 avril 2012 - 06:54 .
CavScout wrote...
D_Dude1210 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
D_Dude1210 wrote...
Wow. Funny how pro-enders would actually come to a topic that had nothing to do with the logic of the ending and everything to do with one person's personal experience with the game simply to troll.
Kinda paints a bad picture of what sort of person you have to be to actually manage to enjoy the ending...
Complaining about ad hominems while launching volleys of ad hominems. classic.
Nice strawman. But I wasn't complaining. Simply pointing out an observation.
Reading comprehension, ftw?
I see you're a one-trick pony.
D_Dude1210 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
D_Dude1210 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
D_Dude1210 wrote...
Wow. Funny how pro-enders would actually come to a topic that had nothing to do with the logic of the ending and everything to do with one person's personal experience with the game simply to troll.
Kinda paints a bad picture of what sort of person you have to be to actually manage to enjoy the ending...
Complaining about ad hominems while launching volleys of ad hominems. classic.
Nice strawman. But I wasn't complaining. Simply pointing out an observation.
Reading comprehension, ftw?
I see you're a one-trick pony.
One trick is all I need for you, kid.
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