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[CavScout]

Tony208 wrote...

That looks a lot like name calling to me. Please troll elsewhere.

Exactly what name was I calling them? I said a number of people lack perspective. They do. They weren't called any names.

[CDRSkyShepard]

xsdob wrote...

I'm still confused about this whole thing? Mass effect 3 had a ****ty ending, so what? The last airbender and percy jackson were movies that sucked beyond previous levels of suck for an adaptation movie. They made me rage more than anything else in the world, killed me a little inside too as a fan. But that didn't stop me from seeing the new legend of korra show, or buying the latest books in the olympians series, or even seeing other adaptation movies. I saw how to train your dragon after percy jackson and that cheered me right up.

What I want to know is how an ending that is simply mediocre in a game that is mostly awesome and good not only kill off a persons interest in playing the game, or the other games which the op thinks are better, but in all video games? I see a lot of people agreeing with op, but I question their judgments and cannot grasp their perspective. I love films, and I've seen the worst that films can do, from the horribly funny like the happening and birdemic to the horribly-bland and actiony like transformers 3, to the horribly bland like pirates 4, to the horrible like repo men the american remake, the terrible like the gamera films, to the terribly awful like the unriffed version of tiger love and drunken wu tang, to the I don't even know of Alejandro Jodorowsky's holy mountain, to the I want to die films of serbian film(could only watch a few clips from youtube and a synopsis), Jan Švankmajer's alice, and all the horrible adaptations to things I love, this is where you belong batman and robin, THIS IS WHAT YOU FELT LIKE TO ME!!!

Point is I have seen the worst of the worst and I still love films. You have seen 1 crummy ending to an otherwise great game. How can it possible destroy your passion for an entire industry, series, and media?

I think it just has to do with individuals and how they percieve things. The JJ Abrams Star Trek movie really killed my love for the series. I mean, I still love it to some extent, I still watch it from time to time, but I don't read the books anymore. The enthusiasm just isn't there anymore.

I booted up ME2 for the first time since I "beat" ME3 yesterday. I quit in the middle of a mission after about an hour of gameplay. I never quit in the middle of missions in ME2. It just never happened until yesterday. I just didn't feel the same enthusiasm for it anymore.

Movies also don't seem to have the same emotional investment as this game...we were with the characters for 180 hours or more, not just two for one movie, or 12 for two trilogies. There was also something about this universe...it was amazing. Still is, but it becomes a universe not worth saving in the end, at least to a lot of people.

For myself, I'm not a big gamer anyway, so I don't see the point in buying games for $60 when I know from experience they can severely disappoint me. I'll just buy used and go on recommendations from now on.

[Tony208]

CavScout wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

That looks a lot like name calling to me. Please troll elsewhere.

Exactly what name was I calling them? I said a number of people lack perspective. They do. They weren't called any names.

It's insulting, people who don't share your opinion lack perspective? Just stop now, it doesn't look good.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Tony208 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

That looks a lot like name calling to me. Please troll elsewhere.

Exactly what name was I calling them? I said a number of people lack perspective. They do. They weren't called any names.

It's insulting, people who don't share your opinion lack perspective? Just stop now, it doesn't look good.

Not to mention the insinuations that we all need therapists. And that we're children.

[OldSwede]

xsdob wrote...

I'm still confused about this whole thing? Mass effect 3 had a ****ty ending, so what? The last airbender and percy jackson were movies that sucked beyond previous levels of suck for an adaptation movie. They made me rage more than anything else in the world, killed me a little inside too as a fan. But that didn't stop me from seeing the new legend of korra show, or buying the latest books in the olympians series, or even seeing other adaptation movies. I saw how to train your dragon after percy jackson and that cheered me right up.

What I want to know is how an ending that is simply mediocre in a game that is mostly awesome and good not only kill off a persons interest in playing the game, or the other games which the op thinks are better, but in all video games? I see a lot of people agreeing with op, but I question their judgments and cannot grasp their perspective. I love films, and I've seen the worst that films can do, from the horribly funny like the happening and birdemic to the horribly-bland and actiony like transformers 3, to the horribly bland like pirates 4, to the horrible like repo men the american remake, the terrible like the gamera films, to the terribly awful like the unriffed version of tiger love and drunken wu tang, to the I don't even know of Alejandro Jodorowsky's holy mountain, to the I want to die films of serbian film(could only watch a few clips from youtube and a synopsis), Jan Švankmajer's alice, and all the horrible adaptations to things I love, this is where you belong batman and robin, THIS IS WHAT YOU FELT LIKE TO ME!!!

Point is I have seen the worst of the worst and I still love films. You have seen 1 crummy ending to an otherwise great game. How can it possible destroy your passion for an entire industry, series, and media?

It's really hard to keep up here with the trolling going on, and I'm sorry that I have to quote myself now (I have to lie down and rest this body now) but here is why I have felt...hopeless
(I can't actually find a word for it now, having brain cramps) ;-)

http://social.biowar...287/17#11598238

OldSwede wrote...
To start; I haven't read any replies, so I apologise for that 

This is what I have felt, too, and I usually play every day (it's good for me, not to have to think of my pain all the time)

It took me 3-4- weeks but I did a 2nd playthrough of ME3 (to see that easter egg - that never occurred, so it was a waste)

And I have played ME1-ME2 again, and currently just started ME1 again - but I do struggle. I force myself to do it.

I love e.g. Skyrim, and I do start playing games (like with ME1 and ME2) and then I lose it…

I am bedridden most of the time, so I really, really try, and I really, really want  to - since it's good for me - but there is that hopeless feeling inside of me. I wish I could do something else, but I'm stuck in bed and this…yes, it hurts me. 

http://social.biowar...287/17#11598328

OldSwede wrote...

I am not disappointed in "just" the ending, I am disappointed in many things in ME3, which made me lose the feeling long before the so called end (so no, I did not expect a good end, due to the content before that)

Modifié par OldSwede, 22 avril 2012 - 07:30 .

[D_Dude1210]

CavScout wrote...

The number of people who need perspective is staggering! Although, I guess therapists are happy ashell with threads like this

Implies people need therapy or are mental cases. Just because you didn't use a single word, doesn't make it any less of an insult.

It's kinda like me saying:

"Your lack of ordinary quickness and keenness of mind must make schools everywhere wonder where they went wrong."

I used a sentence to describe your mental acuity. But it doesn't mean that it's not an insult. Get it now?

Geez, no wonder you liked the ending.... <_<

Modifié par D_Dude1210, 22 avril 2012 - 07:32 .

[CavScout]

Tony208 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

That looks a lot like name calling to me. Please troll elsewhere.

Exactly what name was I calling them? I said a number of people lack perspective. They do. They weren't called any names.

It's insulting, people who don't share your opinion lack perspective? Just stop now, it doesn't look good.

So again, what name was I calling them?

People quiting all games because they don't like the ending of one game is a lack of perspective. Foregoing all movies because I thought Highlander 2 sucked would have been the same kind of lack of perspective.

In fact, I didn't comment on their opinion of the game at all. Like it or don't, who cares. It's the reaction that I am commenting on.

[CavScout]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

That looks a lot like name calling to me. Please troll elsewhere.

Exactly what name was I calling them? I said a number of people lack perspective. They do. They weren't called any names.

It's insulting, people who don't share your opinion lack perspective? Just stop now, it doesn't look good.

Not to mention the insinuations that we all need therapists. And that we're children.

If a video game's ending has affected people's lives like some are claiming, they do need therapy.

[Tony208]

CavScout wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

That looks a lot like name calling to me. Please troll elsewhere.

Exactly what name was I calling them? I said a number of people lack perspective. They do. They weren't called any names.

It's insulting, people who don't share your opinion lack perspective? Just stop now, it doesn't look good.

So again, what name was I calling them?

People quiting all games because they don't like the ending of one game is a lack of perspective. Foregoing all movies because I thought Highlander 2 sucked would have been the same kind of lack of perspective.

In fact, I didn't comment on their opinion of the game at all. Like it or don't, who cares. It's the reaction that I am commenting on.

You're insulting people and you're insisting you're not. Just because you didn't use a specific word doesn't make it any less offensive. It's downright pathetic.

[xsdob]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I'm still confused about this whole thing? Mass effect 3 had a ****ty ending, so what? The last airbender and percy jackson were movies that sucked beyond previous levels of suck for an adaptation movie. They made me rage more than anything else in the world, killed me a little inside too as a fan. But that didn't stop me from seeing the new legend of korra show, or buying the latest books in the olympians series, or even seeing other adaptation movies. I saw how to train your dragon after percy jackson and that cheered me right up.

What I want to know is how an ending that is simply mediocre in a game that is mostly awesome and good not only kill off a persons interest in playing the game, or the other games which the op thinks are better, but in all video games? I see a lot of people agreeing with op, but I question their judgments and cannot grasp their perspective. I love films, and I've seen the worst that films can do, from the horribly funny like the happening and birdemic to the horribly-bland and actiony like transformers 3, to the horribly bland like pirates 4, to the horrible like repo men the american remake, the terrible like the gamera films, to the terribly awful like the unriffed version of tiger love and drunken wu tang, to the I don't even know of Alejandro Jodorowsky's holy mountain, to the I want to die films of serbian film(could only watch a few clips from youtube and a synopsis), Jan Švankmajer's alice, and all the horrible adaptations to things I love, this is where you belong batman and robin, THIS IS WHAT YOU FELT LIKE TO ME!!!

Point is I have seen the worst of the worst and I still love films. You have seen 1 crummy ending to an otherwise great game. How can it possible destroy your passion for an entire industry, series, and media?

I think it just has to do with individuals and how they percieve things. The JJ Abrams Star Trek movie really killed my love for the series. I mean, I still love it to some extent, I still watch it from time to time, but I don't read the books anymore. The enthusiasm just isn't there anymore.

I booted up ME2 for the first time since I "beat" ME3 yesterday. I quit in the middle of a mission after about an hour of gameplay. I never quit in the middle of missions in ME2. It just never happened until yesterday. I just didn't feel the same enthusiasm for it anymore.

Movies also don't seem to have the same emotional investment as this game...we were with the characters for 180 hours or more, not just two for one movie, or 12 for two trilogies. There was also something about this universe...it was amazing. Still is, but it becomes a universe not worth saving in the end, at least to a lot of people.

For myself, I'm not a big gamer anyway, so I don't see the point in buying games for $60 when I know from experience they can severely disappoint me. I'll just buy used and go on recommendations from now on.

How odd, the star trek movie is what got me interested in seeing the other movies, and than getting netflix and watching some of the old star trek next generation episodes, it actually got me interested in seeing star trek.

Right now I'm watching the next generation, got up to episode 6 or so, and it reminds me of mass effect 1, lots of talking and exposition and exploring and a lack of action...I miss mass effect 2's approach.

Also, maybe you are right and I'm just incredably durable to mental abuse. The only games I've ever bought and hated was prototype, original mass effect 1,  and the force unleashed, and those were all because I felt the game was cheating by making combat so broken and hard to use, like I would be killed for being just good enough at playing. It took me 2 years to ever play mass effect again, and once I set the combat to casual the game really opened up or me.

Also, the closes thing to films this can be compared to is star wars, and star wars 1 and 2 did not kill off my enjoyment of star wars 3, 4, 5, and 6, along with star wars the clone wars series, it's really good, despite the stigma surronding it.

[shurikenmanta]

D_Dude1210 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

The number of people who need perspective is staggering! Although, I guess therapists are happy ashell with threads like this

Implies people need therapy or are mental cases. Just because you didn't use a single word, doesn't make it any less of an insult.

I would argue that if people are experiencing clinical depression/comparable anguish based off the ending of a game/narrative piece, they probably do have some issues which could benefit from therapy.

[D_Dude1210]

CavScout wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

That looks a lot like name calling to me. Please troll elsewhere.

Exactly what name was I calling them? I said a number of people lack perspective. They do. They weren't called any names.

It's insulting, people who don't share your opinion lack perspective? Just stop now, it doesn't look good.

So again, what name was I calling them?

People quiting all games because they don't like the ending of one game is a lack of perspective. Foregoing all movies because I thought Highlander 2 sucked would have been the same kind of lack of perspective.

In fact, I didn't comment on their opinion of the game at all. Like it or don't, who cares. It's the reaction that I am commenting on.

D_Dude1210 wrote...

Geez, no wonder you liked the ending.... [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

[CavScout]

Tony208 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

That looks a lot like name calling to me. Please troll elsewhere.

Exactly what name was I calling them? I said a number of people lack perspective. They do. They weren't called any names.

It's insulting, people who don't share your opinion lack perspective? Just stop now, it doesn't look good.

So again, what name was I calling them?

People quiting all games because they don't like the ending of one game is a lack of perspective. Foregoing all movies because I thought Highlander 2 sucked would have been the same kind of lack of perspective.

In fact, I didn't comment on their opinion of the game at all. Like it or don't, who cares. It's the reaction that I am commenting on.

You're insulting people and you're insisting you're not. Just because you didn't use a specific word doesn't make it any less offensive. It's downright pathetic.

People need perspective. It's a fact. Sometimes the truth does hurt.

[OldSwede]

shurikenmanta wrote...

I would argue that if people are experiencing clinical depression/comparable anguish based off the ending of a game/narrative piece, they probably do have some issues which could benefit from therapy.

As you can see above, gaming has been my therapy ;-)

[xsdob]

That's an understandable position OldSwede, I was just genuinely confused by the op and by those agreeing with him that mass effect 3 killed all video game enjoyment.

[CavScout]

shurikenmanta wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

The number of people who need perspective is staggering! Although, I guess therapists are happy ashell with threads like this

Implies people need therapy or are mental cases. Just because you didn't use a single word, doesn't make it any less of an insult.

I would argue that if people are experiencing clinical depression/comparable anguish based off the ending of a game/narrative piece, they probably do have some issues which could benefit from therapy.

^This.

[xsdob]

Oh wow, those guys are really going at it. Is there any way to stop them or do we have to wait for them to burn themselves out?

[D_Dude1210]

shurikenmanta wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

The number of people who need perspective is staggering! Although, I guess therapists are happy ashell with threads like this

Implies people need therapy or are mental cases. Just because you didn't use a single word, doesn't make it any less of an insult.

I would argue that if people are experiencing clinical depression/comparable anguish based off the ending of a game/narrative piece, they probably do have some issues which could benefit from therapy.

And I would argue that a many many more people have gotten depressed over lesser things where they committed far fewer time (Ex. your basketball/football/etc team lost the big game) that DO NOT indeed, require therapy and that such comments would be insulting to them?

[D_Dude1210]

CavScout wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

The number of people who need perspective is staggering! Although, I guess therapists are happy ashell with threads like this

Implies people need therapy or are mental cases. Just because you didn't use a single word, doesn't make it any less of an insult.

I would argue that if people are experiencing clinical depression/comparable anguish based off the ending of a game/narrative piece, they probably do have some issues which could benefit from therapy.

^This.

Hey Cav! Come over here, I have something important to tell you....
.........
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D_Dude1210 wrote...

Geez, no wonder you liked the ending.... <_<

Modifié par D_Dude1210, 22 avril 2012 - 07:43 .

[Tony208]

CavScout wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

That looks a lot like name calling to me. Please troll elsewhere.

Exactly what name was I calling them? I said a number of people lack perspective. They do. They weren't called any names.

It's insulting, people who don't share your opinion lack perspective? Just stop now, it doesn't look good.

So again, what name was I calling them?

People quiting all games because they don't like the ending of one game is a lack of perspective. Foregoing all movies because I thought Highlander 2 sucked would have been the same kind of lack of perspective.

In fact, I didn't comment on their opinion of the game at all. Like it or don't, who cares. It's the reaction that I am commenting on.

You're insulting people and you're insisting you're not. Just because you didn't use a specific word doesn't make it any less offensive. It's downright pathetic.

People need perspective. It's a fact. Sometimes the truth does hurt.

Is that you trying to justify trolling?

[shurikenmanta]

D_Dude1210 wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

The number of people who need perspective is staggering! Although, I guess therapists are happy ashell with threads like this

Implies people need therapy or are mental cases. Just because you didn't use a single word, doesn't make it any less of an insult.

I would argue that if people are experiencing clinical depression/comparable anguish based off the ending of a game/narrative piece, they probably do have some issues which could benefit from therapy.

And I would argue that a many many more people have gotten depressed over lesser things where they committed far fewer time (Ex. your basketball/football/etc team lost the big game) that DO NOT indeed, require therapy and that such comments would be insulting to them?

As somebody who suffered from a fairly powerful anxiety disorder myself, I wouldn't feel that way. I realise that people who aren't well sometimes should seek treatment.

FTR, I'd definitely consider suffering from clinical depression (and not just 'oh, that kinda ruined my day') as the result of a loss of a sports match to be something that may need attention.

[CavScout]

Tony208 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

People need perspective. It's a fact. Sometimes the truth does hurt.

Is that you trying to justify trolling?

It's not trolling. BTW, you do know the Loaded Question technique is a poor way to debate?

[ArchLord James]

agreed that the ending should not be affecting people ability to function in life and be happy. However, having said that the ME name and the entire triliogy is stained in my book as long as these endings stand. I can't play the previous game anymore knowing that shepard will ultimately end up being forced to agree with the reapers and go along with their "solutions". WIthout even arguing shepard blindly trusts the reapers, and doesn't even try to bring the catalyst to justice for the trillions of lives it has taken. No even worse, he just follows the catalyst instructions and we get to sit back in awe and watch the power of the reaper hero (the catalyst) flow throughout the galaxy in the color of our choosing.

It is normal to expect that people who have invested many hours into the series, like myself, would be upset by the betrayal of its conclusion. It is not just a story where the "bad guys get away with it in the end." It is worse. ME is a story where not only do the bad guys get away with it in the end but they also succeed in corrupting the main protagonist of the story and bringing him into line with their motivations/justifications for their evil. By the end of ME3 shepard is allied with the reapers creator and doing his bidding. It is a betrayal of what fans were led to believe the story would utlimately be about. It is understandable then that invested fans would be upset, frustrated, and possibly depressed at the time they wasted on something that ended up dissapointing them. Again though, we shouldn't let it go so far as to cause us to be unstable in real life. That is taking it a bit too far. It is after all just a game right?

Modifié par ArchLord James, 22 avril 2012 - 08:02 .

[Marixus99.9]

CavScout wrote...

People need perspective. It's a fact. Sometimes the truth does hurt.

Normative statement not a fact  .. for people to "need" anything is based on values created from opinion ... my opinion is that the OP was too invested in the Mass Effect series .. like their pet died or something.

[OldSwede]

xsdob wrote...

That's an understandable position OldSwede, I was just genuinely confused by the op and by those agreeing with him that mass effect 3 killed all video game enjoyment.

I really need to lie down so I'll try to keep it short (I'm ironic to myself now, since I'm kind of hopeless sometimes...)

For me, I think it is becuase I've invested myself so much in the story (the codex, the history (Lore) - and i love history)

I have spent so incredibly many hours on ME1 and ME2, and maybe that is also why many feels the same...?
Don't know, just a thought.

xsdob wrote...

Oh wow, those guys are really going at it. Is there any way to stop them or do we have to wait for them to burn themselves out?

 Thanks for the laughter. I needed that - now, especially (because I have "over-done" my body's limits, posting LOL)

Modifié par OldSwede, 22 avril 2012 - 07:51 .