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[CDRSkyShepard]

xsdob wrote...
How odd, the star trek movie is what got me interested in seeing the other movies, and than getting netflix and watching some of the old star trek next generation episodes, it actually got me interested in seeing star trek.

Right now I'm watching the next generation, got up to episode 6 or so, and it reminds me of mass effect 1, lots of talking and exposition and exploring and a lack of action...I miss mass effect 2's approach.

Also, maybe you are right and I'm just incredably durable to mental abuse. The only games I've ever bought and hated was prototype, original mass effect 1,  and the force unleashed, and those were all because I felt the game was cheating by making combat so broken and hard to use, like I would be killed for being just good enough at playing. It took me 2 years to ever play mass effect again, and once I set the combat to casual the game really opened up or me.

Also, the closes thing to films this can be compared to is star wars, and star wars 1 and 2 did not kill off my enjoyment of star wars 3, 4, 5, and 6, along with star wars the clone wars series, it's really good, despite the stigma surronding it.

I started watching Star Trek when I was a kid. My mom watched Voyager religiously, and I grew up with that show. Captain Janeway was like my second mom, in a way. Lol.

The new Star Trek movie broke all that was good about Star Trek. The sense of wonder, the positive vision of the future...none of it was there. They also fundamentally changed one of my favorite races, the Romulans. The Romulans from the "prime" universe in that movie weren't Romulans. They were...humans with pointy ears. I don't even know what they were. The Narada was of a design that was not only inconsistent with Romulan ship design, but inconsistent with anything we've ever seen in Star Trek. Then they destroyed Romulus in the prime universe as a plot device. It was rather insulting.

As a movie, it was fine. But as a Star Trek movie? Yeah, no. I pretend that it doesn't exist and that the prime universe canon stops after the events of Star Trek: Nemesis.

See, Star Wars Episodes I and II were flawed and had horrible acting and scriptwriting, but they weren't fundamentally broken. My biggest beef with ME3 (and this goes for things other than the endings) is that it has fundamentally broken the franchise and the universe. StarChild makes no sense...if he exists, why is Sovereign necessary? Why are there SO MANY unanswered questions...and not just issues of closure, but issues relating to major themes and why they were so blatantly abandoned.

I got so invested in this universe that I own more memorabilia from it than I ever did from Star Trek (and I was a Star Trek UBERfan at one point in my life). I could shape the story - sure, I couldn't control it that much, but I could shape it - and I put 190 hours into it just for one full playthrough of one Shepard. My initial investment into Star Wars wasn't that many hours. Perhaps my initial investment in Star Trek was, but it was much more spread out and not nearly as interactive. I don't play that many games...so yeah, I'm not really that keen on playing games anymore. Doesn't mean I won't in the future. I just won't play them as often...just like how I don't watch Star Trek as often as I once did.

[D_Dude1210]

shurikenmanta wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

The number of people who need perspective is staggering! Although, I guess therapists are happy ashell with threads like this

Implies people need therapy or are mental cases. Just because you didn't use a single word, doesn't make it any less of an insult.

I would argue that if people are experiencing clinical depression/comparable anguish based off the ending of a game/narrative piece, they probably do have some issues which could benefit from therapy.

And I would argue that a many many more people have gotten depressed over lesser things where they committed far fewer time (Ex. your basketball/football/etc team lost the big game) that DO NOT indeed, require therapy and that such comments would be insulting to them?

As somebody who suffered from a fairly powerful anxiety disorder myself, I wouldn't feel that way. I realise that people who aren't well sometimes should seek treatment.

FTR, I'd definitely consider suffering from clinical depression (and not just 'oh, that kinda ruined my day') as the result of a loss of a sports match to be something that may need attention.

Active word here is "sometimes". People can make up their own mind when they need therapy. What works for you does not work for everyone.  Making sweeping (especially thru the internetz) is a fallacy.

Also, he worded his comment in a backhanded insulting manner. To people who didn't even bash him or anything that had to do with him or made comments about the logic of the ending (tho admittedly, some did but he should have directed his attention at them instead of stupidly generalizing).  That is why it was an insult and deserving of every countrertrolling he's getting and gonna get.

Modifié par D_Dude1210, 22 avril 2012 - 07:53 .

[Averdi]

CavScout wrote...

If a video game's ending has affected people's lives like some are claiming, they do need therapy.

I haven't perused the entire thread, but most people I saw simply lost interest in gaming for a while.  Not playing a video game for a month or two is hardly a large effect on people's lives.  There are plenty of sports fans with far greater emotional attachments  Unless one thought it was sufficient, if such a terrible ending had no effect on a person then I'd wonder why they even played the game.

[Lethys1]

Ryoten wrote...

Ever since the ending to ME3, i have not only lost my motivation for playing what was my favorite video game series.  I have pretty much lost my will to play video games in general.  This entire chain of events that has happened since March, has made me feel like i cant trust developers anymore or feel any joy over purchasing a product.  I cant even get myself to feel excited over Diablo 3 or AC3.  I never thought that a 10 minute ending could have such a negative impact on me.


Thank you Bioware.

Wasteland 2 is coming though.....

[Tony208]

CavScout wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

People need perspective. It's a fact. Sometimes the truth does hurt.

Is that you trying to justify trolling?

It's not trolling. BTW, you do know the Loaded Question technique is a poor way to debate?

Yes you are.

CavScout wrote...

The number of people who need perspective is staggering! Although, I guess therapists are happy ashell with threads like this

Modifié par Tony208, 22 avril 2012 - 07:54 .

[shurikenmanta]

D_Dude1210 wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

The number of people who need perspective is staggering! Although, I guess therapists are happy ashell with threads like this

Implies people need therapy or are mental cases. Just because you didn't use a single word, doesn't make it any less of an insult.

I would argue that if people are experiencing clinical depression/comparable anguish based off the ending of a game/narrative piece, they probably do have some issues which could benefit from therapy.

And I would argue that a many many more people have gotten depressed over lesser things where they committed far fewer time (Ex. your basketball/football/etc team lost the big game) that DO NOT indeed, require therapy and that such comments would be insulting to them?

As somebody who suffered from a fairly powerful anxiety disorder myself, I wouldn't feel that way. I realise that people who aren't well sometimes should seek treatment.

FTR, I'd definitely consider suffering from clinical depression (and not just 'oh, that kinda ruined my day') as the result of a loss of a sports match to be something that may need attention.

Active word here is "sometimes". People can make up their own mind when they need therapy. What works for you does not work for everyone.  Making sweeping (especially thru the internetz) is a fallacy.

Also, he worded his comment in a backhanded insulting manner. To people who didn't even bash him or anything that had to do with him or made comments about the logic of the ending (tho admittedly, some did but he should have directed his attention at them instead of stupidly generalizing).  That is why it was an insult and deserving of every countrertrolling he's getting and gonna get.

Fair enough, but I don't understand why, if this game really has had such a profound negative effect on one's quality of life, people are happy to share it across the interwebs to their hearts content but not try to make it better.

[NamiraWilhelm]

Lethys1 wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Ever since the ending to ME3, i have not only lost my motivation for playing what was my favorite video game series.  I have pretty much lost my will to play video games in general.  This entire chain of events that has happened since March, has made me feel like i cant trust developers anymore or feel any joy over purchasing a product.  I cant even get myself to feel excited over Diablo 3 or AC3.  I never thought that a 10 minute ending could have such a negative impact on me.


Thank you Bioware.

Wasteland 2 is coming though.....

This.



Gaming has been my most consuming hobby my entire life, that definitely couldn't change now. And i hope it never does.

My love of ME has been soured, but not gaming as a whole.

[L. Han]

I kind of feel same way. Felt like I lost my interest in games now. The amount of hate on the BSN is also another factor.

[SC0TTYD00]

Cant be bothered with games since I finished ME:3 i just quit after 10 mins.

[CDRSkyShepard]

shurikenmanta wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

The number of people who need perspective is staggering! Although, I guess therapists are happy ashell with threads like this

Implies people need therapy or are mental cases. Just because you didn't use a single word, doesn't make it any less of an insult.

I would argue that if people are experiencing clinical depression/comparable anguish based off the ending of a game/narrative piece, they probably do have some issues which could benefit from therapy.

I don't think anyone is saying they're clinically depressed over the endings. It just caused a big slump with some. Clinical depression is nasty business (both mom and sister had it at different points in time), I doubt a video game franchise - no matter how prolific - by itself can do that to a person. Lol.

But could it cause a severe loss of enthusiasm for a beloved hobby? Oh yeah. I can see that...I'm there myself. XD

[D_Dude1210]

shurikenmanta wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

The number of people who need perspective is staggering! Although, I guess therapists are happy ashell with threads like this

Implies people need therapy or are mental cases. Just because you didn't use a single word, doesn't make it any less of an insult.

I would argue that if people are experiencing clinical depression/comparable anguish based off the ending of a game/narrative piece, they probably do have some issues which could benefit from therapy.

And I would argue that a many many more people have gotten depressed over lesser things where they committed far fewer time (Ex. your basketball/football/etc team lost the big game) that DO NOT indeed, require therapy and that such comments would be insulting to them?

As somebody who suffered from a fairly powerful anxiety disorder myself, I wouldn't feel that way. I realise that people who aren't well sometimes should seek treatment.

FTR, I'd definitely consider suffering from clinical depression (and not just 'oh, that kinda ruined my day') as the result of a loss of a sports match to be something that may need attention.

Active word here is "sometimes". People can make up their own mind when they need therapy. What works for you does not work for everyone.  Making sweeping (especially thru the internetz) is a fallacy.

Also, he worded his comment in a backhanded insulting manner. To people who didn't even bash him or anything that had to do with him or made comments about the logic of the ending (tho admittedly, some did but he should have directed his attention at them instead of stupidly generalizing).  That is why it was an insult and deserving of every countrertrolling he's getting and gonna get.

Fair enough, but I don't understand why, if this game really has had such a profound negative effect on one's quality of life, people are happy to share it across the interwebs to their hearts content but not try to make it better.

You should know that group sharing can help alleviate one's depression.  Hell, they have therapy groups that do that.

[L. Han]

The amounts of unreasonable hate on the forums also makes me depressed. As if the game wasn't bad enough.

[sirjimmus86]

I am having a similar although less extreme experience. Similar to when Lost ended, I wasn't able to watch new TV shows for a long time, you get your hopes up for something and it lets you down. Doesn't matter if its over a girlfriend, a TV show, a job you always wanted, holiday destination, or even a video game - one that has been shaped by your own decisions and actions, if the outcome of it does not live up to your expectations - you still feel the same feeling and take action to avoid feeling it again in the future.

I have ended up playing the multiplayer far more than I ever did the single player, because it has no story to it really, it is just mindless power spam or usings guns to kill aliens/robots/cerberus. I play challenges on Arkham city, I load of God of War and just chew up ancient Greeks, play Rome Total War (the old one!), but I can't bring myself to play the single player, even the really great missions like Rannoch without a huge sense of disappointment over what is to come.

[xsdob]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

I started watching Star Trek when I was a kid. My mom watched Voyager religiously, and I grew up with that show. Captain Janeway was like my second mom, in a way. Lol.

The new Star Trek movie broke all that was good about Star Trek. The sense of wonder, the positive vision of the future...none of it was there. They also fundamentally changed one of my favorite races, the Romulans. The Romulans from the "prime" universe in that movie weren't Romulans. They were...humans with pointy ears. I don't even know what they were. The Narada was of a design that was not only inconsistent with Romulan ship design, but inconsistent with anything we've ever seen in Star Trek. Then they destroyed Romulus in the prime universe as a plot device. It was rather insulting.

As a movie, it was fine. But as a Star Trek movie? Yeah, no. I pretend that it doesn't exist and that the prime universe canon stops after the events of Star Trek: Nemesis.

See, Star Wars Episodes I and II were flawed and had horrible acting and scriptwriting, but they weren't fundamentally broken. My biggest beef with ME3 (and this goes for things other than the endings) is that it has fundamentally broken the franchise and the universe. StarChild makes no sense...if he exists, why is Sovereign necessary? Why are there SO MANY unanswered questions...and not just issues of closure, but issues relating to major themes and why they were so blatantly abandoned.

I got so invested in this universe that I own more memorabilia from it than I ever did from Star Trek (and I was a Star Trek UBERfan at one point in my life). I could shape the story - sure, I couldn't control it that much, but I could shape it - and I put 190 hours into it just for one full playthrough of one Shepard. My initial investment into Star Wars wasn't that many hours. Perhaps my initial investment in Star Trek was, but it was much more spread out and not nearly as interactive. I don't play that many games...so yeah, I'm not really that keen on playing games anymore. Doesn't mean I won't in the future. I just won't play them as often...just like how I don't watch Star Trek as often as I once did.

I like you, your patient and reasonable and very civil. And I can appreicate your dedication to star trek. But I grew up on star wars the original trilogy.

And as such I can assure you that on almost every level, the phantom menance is broken. So broken that people have dedicated just as much time nitpicking mass effect 3 as they do the phantom menance.

For a long time, the one thing i could say about this film was "at least the lightsaber fight was good." than I saw this video, laughed, and decided that this film was best not revisted, and that the clone wars was the jump in point for all fans.

This is like the indoctrination theory video for most, or the MrTbougge or whatever's vidoe, but much shorter and with humor so I can be much more open to the ideas it presents. Watch it, it will make you laugh.

[Marixus99.9]

Rickets wrote...

The amounts of unreasonable hate on the forums also makes me depressed. As if the game wasn't bad enough.

It became entertainment to me at one point *eats popcorn*

After all the flak I got for telling people they're overestimating what ME3 will have .. they make a 180 thanks to the ending.

[L. Han]

Marixus99.9 wrote...

Rickets wrote...

The amounts of unreasonable hate on the forums also makes me depressed. As if the game wasn't bad enough.

It became entertainment to me at one point *eats popcorn*

After all the flak I got for telling people they're overestimating what ME3 will have .. they make a 180 thanks to the ending.

It would be nice if they actually cooperated with each other and kept their hateful opinions to themselves.

[CDRSkyShepard]

xsdob wrote...
I like you, your patient and reasonable and very civil. And I can appreicate your dedication to star trek. But I grew up on star wars the original trilogy.

And as such I can assure you that on almost every level, the phantom menance is broken. So broken that people have dedicated just as much time nitpicking mass effect 3 as they do the phantom menance.

For a long time, the one thing i could say about this film was "at least the lightsaber fight was good." than I saw this video, laughed, and decided that this film was best not revisted, and that the clone wars was the jump in point for all fans.

This is like the indoctrination theory video for most, or the MrTbougge or whatever's vidoe, but much shorter and with humor so I can be much more open to the ideas it presents. Watch it, it will make you laugh.

Why thank you.  I find being civil is the best way to have a productive conversation. Sometimes it's very difficult to not resort to insults or insinuations when all you have to work with is text, though. Lol.

I didn't start with Trek, actually...when I was 4, one day I became bored and broke into "Mom's movies." The ones I wasn't supposed to watch yet. I liked space and stuff, so...out came Star Wars, and I immediately popped it into the VCR. I LOVED Star Wars. Even Phantom Menace (I was all of 9 years old when it came out, lol). Watching them now, I know that Episode 1 wasn't ideal by any stretch...but if you're gonna break your franchise, doing it at the beginning of the story so that you can gloss it over is better than breaking it at the very end. Lol. Like you said, you can just come in at a later point.

As a martial artist that specialized more in demonstration and crowd pleasing than actual self defense, (though don't get me wrong, I'll mess you up if you try to take me out XD) that video had me in stitches. You can probably guess why.

[D_Dude1210]

Looks like the trolls are gone. I apologize to everyone (except to those two) for my rather childish behavior just now. I was bored and the Diablo 3 beta client is taking forever to load. O_O

Please carry on everyone.

Modifié par D_Dude1210, 22 avril 2012 - 08:20 .

[Ryoten]

Tony208 wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

Wow. Funny how pro-enders would actually come to a topic that had nothing to do with the logic of the ending and everything to do with one person's personal experience with the game simply to troll.

Kinda paints a bad picture of what sort of person you have to be to actually manage to enjoy the ending...

He's right about Mintycool and Cavscout, what have those two done in this thread other than troll?

Mintycool is nothing more than a sensationalist.  his/her accusitions against retake and attacks against denouncers are so extremist, that im surprised the British governement hasn't offered them a job for civilian propaganda commercials.

[xsdob]

To CDRSkyShepard,

My favorite part by far, "Aim like a drunkard. Jump like an idiot."

I have to pause it every time cause I laugh too much to hear the rest. Oh and,

"I've been in this business for years, and guys like that, who miss their mark by that much, I've never seen before, audiences will love it."

Modifié par xsdob, 22 avril 2012 - 08:23 .

[xsdob]

Ryoten wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

Wow. Funny how pro-enders would actually come to a topic that had nothing to do with the logic of the ending and everything to do with one person's personal experience with the game simply to troll.

Kinda paints a bad picture of what sort of person you have to be to actually manage to enjoy the ending...

He's right about Mintycool and Cavscout, what have those two done in this thread other than troll?

Mintycool is nothing more than a sensationalist.  his/her accusitions against retake and attacks against denouncers are so extremist, that im surprised the British governement hasn't offered them a job for civilian propaganda commercials.

They both suck, and are either too stuborn or too jerkish and angry for their own good.

Gives ending likers like me a bad name, at least I support getting new ending content and maybe even a retcon, just do so civilly and amybe with a bit of humor as well.

[Marixus99.9]

xsdob wrote...

For a long time, the one thing i could say about this film was "at least the lightsaber fight was good." than I saw this video, laughed, and decided that this film was best not revisted, and that the clone wars was the jump in point for all fans.

Oh thank you for linking that  . I mean plinkett pointed this out .. but this vid rips it apart rofl.

[Wabajakka]

Felt the same way for a while after ME3....

The Witcher 2 for 360 revived the hell out of me though.

A must buy for ANY rpg fan, especially for victims of the ME3 ending. A lot resonates with me as a ME fan in the Witcher 2, you can really tell your choices matter in that game (without any huge good/bad morality meter too some decisions are impossibly hard to make) and you're truly apart of the world just like the first two ME games made you feel (and 90% of ME3, I guess). It'll make you feel better. Trust me.

Not sure what platform you play, but it's on PC and Xbox.

Modifié par Orange Tee, 22 avril 2012 - 09:06 .

[Merengues 1945]

I know that feel bro.

since like a year I was also a little bored of non innovating videogames, yeah, there're good games like Forza 4, AC:Reveal, and the new FIFA in that year, but the new attitude on developers takes most of the fun from games and they become just plain. I've played videogames for almost 2 decades and now I can say that I'm bored with the lack of innovation.