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[The Angry One]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...


Ok somebody is being sensationalistic

Am I? 
Read the codex entry I put up.
Then realise that the being who implemented that method is the being you capitulate to at the end of the game.

Yes, you are. As you always do.

Hence why I said stop using hyperbole, clearly I am not the only one who saw it as such.

And yet you can't actually read the codex entry and counter my point can you? Sensationalist indeed.

[Samtheman63]

If you let 10 minutes of wtf ruin 100+ hours of awesome, you're a dick tbh

[Dragoonlordz]

Rudy Lis wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

try trusting the developers who delay their games to make them actually better as opposed to tacking on needless MP and force it on the SP crowd inoder to get the the best ending

Oh I am sorry...did I vocalize that on the bridge?

Sorry, couldn't ignore that http://warhorsestudi...&entry=blog_007

Good game. I like those type of games from that decade, very enjoyable at the time.

[Rudy Lis]

Alamar2078 wrote...

BW even acknowledged this indirectly with the Blue armored Battarian, Red armored Geth, and Green armored Asari in the info for the MP DLC.  While they may not take it seriously I'm sure some folks do.

Seriously?
That's even more epic trolling that Conrad Verner's subplot.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Good game. I like those type of games from that decade, very enjoyable at the time.

Which one?

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 21 avril 2012 - 01:02 .

[Alamar2078]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
They never told you EVER would be a happy ever after in ME3 so it is your fault you chose to think would have such and placed so much emotional dependancy on something they never said would get.

A lot of things BW / EA has said about the game aren't lies but they were happy to inentionally mislead folks about the game content, structure, etc.

Heck they're still doing it with the ad talking about 75 perfect review scores and the ME3 enging causing the greatest fan reaction in the history of gaming.   None of this is a lie.   However BW loses the moral high ground as soon as they omit vital pieces of information like the biggest part of the fan reaction has been NEGATIVE.

[GLR-0053]

I have no faith, which is why I let the suckers go first and post their reviews, vids,findings, etc... Most of their short comment reviews start off with this "OMG its the bestest thing EVAR!!!!"

As for retiring, meh I might retire from preordering and purchasing titles without a hint of skepticism or reservation.

[Dragoonlordz]

The Angry One wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...


Ok somebody is being sensationalistic

Am I? 
Read the codex entry I put up.
Then realise that the being who implemented that method is the being you capitulate to at the end of the game.

Yes, you are. As you always do.

Hence why I said stop using hyperbole, clearly I am not the only one who saw it as such.

And yet you can't actually read the codex entry and counter my point can you? Sensationalist indeed.

Your free to infer things to your hearts content, see spaceships where there was nothing but balloons if so chose.

You seem to do that a lot.

[Talogrungi]

Kinda brings a new perspective to credibility of the Catalyst when you realise that, in the 5 minutes you've been talking to it, about 6500 people have been converted to organic liquid by the Reapers it controls.

Still find it unfathomable that so many people are willing to TRUST the information they're given by this abomination.

[Dragoonlordz]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Alamar2078 wrote...

BW even acknowledged this indirectly with the Blue armored Battarian, Red armored Geth, and Green armored Asari in the info for the MP DLC.  While they may not take it seriously I'm sure some folks do.

Seriously?
That's even more epic trolling that Conrad Verner's subplot.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Good game. I like those type of games from that decade, very enjoyable at the time.

Which one?

Daley Thompson's Decathlon springs to mind.

[The Angry One]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Your free to infer things to your hearts content, see spaceships where there was nothing but balloons if so chose.

You seem to do that a lot.

Your evasion is noted.

You seem to do that a lot.

[The Angry One]

Talogrungi wrote...

Kinda brings a new perspective to credibility of the Catalyst when you realise that, in the 5 minutes you've been talking to it, about 6500 people have been converted to organic liquid by the Reapers it controls.

Still find it unfathomable that so many people are willing to TRUST the information they're given by this abomination.

Because it's art! Who are we to question art!
Now get going and pick your multicoloured warcrime, we don't have all day.

[yukon fire]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

yukon fire wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

yukon fire wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is not a problem with ME3 ending, sounds to me like a problem of your own making developed over time long before you even played ME3. The final 10 minutes of one game should and in my experience does not turn people off gaming unless they already had lost interest in the first place in which case it becomes an excuse to stop or hide behind. There are many greeat games out and coming out, some good and some bad but if your mindset was leaning towards breaking away from gaming in first place then no games no matter how good will change that because at that stage all your doing is looking for an excuse.

No, it's a problem with the ending. Don't presume to play armchair psychologist.
I was an avid gamer before this, so were many others. Now we're put off. Were we all looking for an excuse?

Yeah, no. Sorry. It's this ending. That's what happens when one experiences an ending where you surrender to Hitler.

Load of crap and full of hyperbole. Grow up.

So try again.

People need to stop treating gaming as an oxygen supply and treat developers with disdain and bile just because you did not enjoy their game. They create it and you chose to buy it. They never threw your mother under a bus or put a gun to your head, so treat it as should do which is a hobby, somethign to pass the time and if gain enjoyment from some titles then great if not then do something else. Stop treating it like a personal affront/offense everytime your not giddy with joy about something. Sell it and buy something else or do something else and leave the throwing toys out the pram for more important issues.

You know for some of us video games is about escapism, life sucks, we don't need our video games to remind us of this. In the five year span of Mass Effect I've lost four members of my family (Brother, Grandparents, Uncle), my Mother has become crippled, and my Parents lost their house. If Bioware thought going "dark" was in everyone's best interests, they're idiots. I've been living "dark", I was looking for a little light.  

With relation to that very silly comment highlighted; no they are not, you projected your issues onto the game world they created. The finale of the series was not going to be hills alive with sound of music and they said this time and time again. If you wanted upbeat there are a million titles that have such and you chose to ignore those. Try hello kitty next time if want happy ever after.

mean... really?  no logic, no reason, just total lack of empathy. How long have you been working for Bioware?  

I am not your parent and you should not be trying to use emotional issues to counter a different opinion about a video game. I am not your caretaker, your psychiatrist or emotional blanket. I am a customer like you are of a optional recreational product. Everyone has baggage and real life issues, losing family or homes and such. It is not appropriate to use it as ammo in an argument over a video game. They never told you EVER would be a happy ever after in ME3 so it is your fault you chose to think would have such and placed so much emotional dependancy on something they never said would get. There are far more upbeat and happy titles you could of chosen to get if that was what desired from a product.

I am sorry, you clearly have some issues to come here and talk down and insult others, I feel sorry for you and I pray you find inner peace with whatever demons plague you.     

[Menethra]

I won't quit gaming because of the ME3 ending, you can't let a terrible ending destroy gaming in general. I'm just unlikely to ever pre-order a bioware product in future and i'll make sure to check user reviews before buying.

I sure as hell won't trust anything out of the horses mouth anymore after how ME3 turned out.

Modifié par Menethra, 21 avril 2012 - 01:06 .

[Rudy Lis]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Daley Thompson's Decathlon springs to mind.

I played it once. Guess just not my type of games.

[Alamar2078]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Alamar2078 wrote...

BW even acknowledged this indirectly with the Blue armored Battarian, Red armored Geth, and Green armored Asari in the info for the MP DLC.  While they may not take it seriously I'm sure some folks do.

Seriously?
That's even more epic trolling that Conrad Verner's subplot.

Ooh let me guess.  You haven't grown up in an environment where there is both blatant and/or couched racism, bigotry, prejudice, etc.....  Right?

The exact folks that are racially insensitive do exactly those sorts of things.

If you would like to compare notes via PM please feel free.

[PaxtonFetel]

This is a good lesson for all. No matter how you liked the game, no matter how you loved her heroes, now one should always remember that the developers can You forehead on the wall. And not to appear strong emotional anchors. The game is just a game.

[Fenrisfil]

I believe this is called the E.T. effect. Now we stand back and watch the entire gaming industry collapse. Well okay probably not.

[Dragoonlordz]

Alamar2078 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
They never told you EVER would be a happy ever after in ME3 so it is your fault you chose to think would have such and placed so much emotional dependancy on something they never said would get.

A lot of things BW / EA has said about the game aren't lies but they were happy to inentionally mislead folks about the game content, structure, etc.

Heck they're still doing it with the ad talking about 75 perfect review scores and the ME3 enging causing the greatest fan reaction in the history of gaming.   None of this is a lie.   However BW loses the moral high ground as soon as they omit vital pieces of information like the biggest part of the fan reaction has been NEGATIVE.

What are you talking about, firstly it is an article based on EA not Bioware so Bioware are not ever part of it.

Secondly EA exist to make money, sell their products, they never sought the moral highground to begin with.

You projecting your own morality onto their business decision to promote their product. I am guessing you do not own a business based on your comment. They are not selling medical supplies to the third world or cures for poverty. Stop making mountains out of molehills.

[SimonTheFrog]

@ the angry one: bringing out the ****'s (lol, blacklist for the win. Those people from germany) IS kinda bad in most threads. It's not helping to keep the conversation productive. 

Also, just to be nitpicky, it could be argued that the methods of the azis back in the days resembled those described for the reapers. But there is a big difference in the motivation behind it: hate. The azis had little other motivation than pure hatred. The reapers (allegedly) serve a higher purpose that is ultimately a good one. But since they are machines their methods are nothing but effective. They don't care whether they cause pain because they are not programmed to, they just need to get the job done.

That is from an in-game perspective.

WHY BioWare depicted the reapers as nonsensically brutal killing machines while at the same time claiming them to be saviors and protectors of organic life, is still a mystery for me.

Poor writing i presume.

Modifié par SimonTheFrog, 21 avril 2012 - 01:11 .

[Dragoonlordz]

yukon fire wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

yukon fire wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

With relation to that very silly comment highlighted; no they are not, you projected your issues onto the game world they created. The finale of the series was not going to be hills alive with sound of music and they said this time and time again. If you wanted upbeat there are a million titles that have such and you chose to ignore those. Try hello kitty next time if want happy ever after.

mean... really?  no logic, no reason, just total lack of empathy. How long have you been working for Bioware?  

I am not your parent and you should not be trying to use emotional issues to counter a different opinion about a video game. I am not your caretaker, your psychiatrist or emotional blanket. I am a customer like you are of a optional recreational product. Everyone has baggage and real life issues, losing family or homes and such. It is not appropriate to use it as ammo in an argument over a video game. They never told you EVER would be a happy ever after in ME3 so it is your fault you chose to think would have such and placed so much emotional dependancy on something they never said would get. There are far more upbeat and happy titles you could of chosen to get if that was what desired from a product.

I am sorry, you clearly have some issues to come here and talk down and insult others, I feel sorry for you and I pray you find inner peace with whatever demons plague you.     

I come here to talk about video games.

You came here apparently to unload your personal life issues behind the excuse of a video game.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Its certainly been a wake up call, not just about Bioware but about the industry as a whole (and the medias role in it)  Not that I didn't already know it, I just never really... took it all to heart much. 

Its not just Mass Effect 3 anymore.  Its Bioware's transformation in the recent years, its their behavior as developers just blatantly lying and not giving a ****, like a good faceless business does and this reflects off many other developers in the industry.  Its EA being the greedy soulless corporation that it is, just like all the others in the industry.  Its the media in its just disgusting sellout nature being in the pockets and the beds of the very companies they are supposed to report on and criticize, going far enough to treat us, the very consumers whos dollars provide the blood for their entire system, whos eyes and ears are the audience they serve, like entitled children that they must protect their overlords from.  And many of us consumers ourselves... well... sadly having no real choice but acting like the entitled children we're made out to be.  That or put our money where our mouth is like cold hard laws of capitalism insists and simply not give our money to any of it anymore, which isn't really as much of a perfect option as its foolishly made out to be. 

Theres just so much bull**** everywhere becoming far too visible and indigestible.  I'm starting to get really turned off of this hobby.  At least turned off the more glamorous mainstream part of it and caring less and less about an increasing majority of new games and even less about the people making them and the media reporting on them.  Same thing happened to me years ago for music and not long too ago for movies, both of those industries I now don't really follow at all just cause I know how much bull**** is going on and just stick with the classic stuff and only rarely finding something new (usually indie) that I care about only after its come out. I guess it makes sense for video games to follow that pattern.  I don't see myself really staying in touch with this industry for much longer.  I'm just tired off all the stupid ass-backwards corporate bull**** going on. 

I knew all this already, honestly.  Its just this whole situation with ME3 has braught it all up to the surface, got me thinking about it a lot more.  Making me sick of it a lot more. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 21 avril 2012 - 01:21 .

[zarnk567]

@ Dragoonlordz Jesus just stop. I know what your trying to do, but coming off as condescending to everyone you respond too is not helping anything.

[The Angry One]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

@ the angry one: bringing out the ****'s (lol, blacklist for the win. Those people from germany) IS kinda bad in most threads. It's not helping to keep the conversation productive. 

Also, just to be nitpicky, it could be argued that the methods of the ****s back in the days resembled those described for the reapers. But there is a big difference in the motivation behind it: hate. The ****s had little other motivation than pure hatred. The reapers (allegedly) server a higher purpose that is ultimately a good one. But since they are machines their methods are nothing but effective. They don't care whether they cause pain because they are not programmed to, they just need to get the job done.

That is from an in-game perspective.

WHY BioWare depicted the reapers as nonsensically brutal killing machines while at the same time claiming them to be saviors and protectors of organic life, is still a mystery for me.

Poor writing i presume.

Of course there are massive differences, but in the end the Reapers exterminate entire races due to a philosophy that's based on intolerance and racism (synthetics and organics cannot co-exist because they are different).
Regardless of motivation, their methods are disturbingly similar, and I doubt this was by accident.

The ****s industrialised large scale murder. It is a scar on collective human psyche (to the point that their very name is censored in many places, like here). Stories often use allegories to this to make their antagonist faction as dark and evil as possible.
Which is fine in this case, the Reapers processing humans and other species in horrific ways gives a sense of urgency and desperation and a will to stop them.

The problem lies in taking the being directly responisble for this and making us follow it's orders. That's when it becomes immoral and extremely demoralising.

Modifié par The Angry One, 21 avril 2012 - 01:16 .

[Myrmedus]

Sorry Dragoonlordz, but while I agree with your overall point (I'm still just as interested in gaming generally even though I hated the ending) the fact you write pretty much every post like a douchebag is probably why your posts are being argued with.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 21 avril 2012 - 01:16 .

[QuantumSheep13]

People are allowed to vent, no matter how illogical they might seem. If they want to get emotionally invested in a video game series and then get broken up over its crappy ending, let them. No harm done, if you ask me.

@Dragoonlordz, why do you continue? Belittling people isn't going to help your case much.