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[The Angry One]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Oh I read your post and responded to it already thanks.

a) No you didn't.

 If you did and did respond to it.. why did you claim I hadn't read it? Ah christ, you're doing this on purpose aren't you, and here I am taking the bait!

You went and threw a hissy fit when I called you out on what you did.

What?

Lastly yes I have noticed you become indignant, angry and insulting when confronted with the childish way you tried to counter my reasonable point / initial comment. So I agree people do that as you very much have done yourself from the offset. Now your crying wolf and whining about the fact you have been caught out doing so.

I became annoyed at being insulted. As anyone would. Here you are, still doing it.
Of course now I realise this is exactly the reaction you were looking for.

I apologise to everyone for taking this troll's bait, sometimes it's easy to be dragged in.

[Alamar2078]

@Everybody:

Why are we bothering to fight with each other? I think it's time to take a step back and stop flinging poo at each other.

Note: I may have flung my fair share but at least I'm not directly trying to call anyone names.

Hmmmm I'm wondering if the best thing now is to take discussions to PMs or just have a MOD lock the thread

[The Angry One]

Alamar2078 wrote...

@Everybody:

Why are we bothering to fight with each other? I think it's time to take a step back and stop flinging poo at each other.

Note: I may have flung my fair share but at least I'm not directly trying to call anyone names.

Hmmmm I'm wondering if the best thing now is to take discussions to PMs or just have a MOD lock the thread

I like a nice debate. I just get highly annoyed when people fling insults rather than argue.
Why bother saying anything at all if you're going to resort to that?

[Dragoonlordz]

Doctor Uburian wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is not a problem with ME3 ending, sounds to me like a problem of your own making developed over time long before you even played ME3. The final 10 minutes of one game should and in my experience does not turn people off gaming unless they already had lost interest in the first place in which case it becomes an excuse to stop or hide behind. There are many greeat games out and coming out, some good and some bad but if your mindset was leaning towards breaking away from gaming in first place then no games no matter how good will change that because at that stage all your doing is looking for an excuse.

No, it's a problem with the ending. Don't presume to play armchair psychologist.
I was an avid gamer before this, so were many others. Now we're put off. Were we all looking for an excuse?

Yeah, no. Sorry. It's this ending. That's what happens when one experiences an ending where you surrender to Hitler.

Load of crap and full of hyperbole. Grow up.

So try again.

People need to stop treating gaming as an oxygen supply and treat developers with disdain and bile just because you did not enjoy their game. They create it and you chose to buy it. They never threw your mother under a bus or put a gun to your head, so treat it as should do which is a hobby, somethign to pass the time and if gain enjoyment from some titles then great if not then do something else. Stop treating it like a personal affront/offense everytime your not giddy with joy about something. Sell it and buy something else or do something else and leave the throwing toys out the pram for more important issues.

You may see it as Nothing more than an entertainment, but a lot of people see it like something inspiring. 
Yea, Mass Effect is nothing more than a video Game, and Das Capital was nothing more than a book. 

Feel free to be very specific about what exactly ME3 inspires in you. I would like to hear it.

It gives me hope, enthusiasm, and enhances my motivation to work with persons who are not like i am.

At least until the last ten minutes 

Hope for what? Hope for machine race that doesn't exist? Blue babies? Enthusiasm for what? Motivations to work with who? Do you know any Geth in real life, who in particular is it motivating you to deal with? Did it push you to devote your life to curing desease or poverty or merely gave you reason to get up and play a game for few hours?

There is like already said a limitation on just how much you should invest in a game, it cannot and should not be a replacement for real life and while a certain level of escapism could be achieved you should not treat it like an oxygen supply or plug yourself in like the matrix. Treat it for what it is and thats a game, a form of entertainment and way to pass the time and you will not be so emotionally dependant on if have blue babies in it causing you to dismiss every other game out there.

[Doctor Uburian]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I shall repeat what you appear to have ignored.

Amusing given the first insults came from you, the rage started with you, the hyperbole started with you. My first post was fairly reasonable and you blew it out of proportions I assume because you lack the emotional self control to deal with conflicting opinions. I think I will leave you there, I have no intention of sinking to your level but feel free to complain about that if wish too.

Not my fault if you don't read my posts..

The Angry One wrote...

Amusing given the first
insults came from you, the rage started with you, the hyperbole started
with you. My first post was fairly reasonable and you blew it out of
proportions I assume because you lack the emotional self control to deal
with conflicting opinions.

You have a very
selective memory, don't you? Interesting. The only thing that "started"
with me is the hyperbole, which was in fact nothing of the sort.
Did you even read the codex entry I provided? It's not hyperbole when BioWare are the ones making the allegory.
Or do you think they meant for us to think of something else when they described death camps and human slaughterhouses.

The phrase stop acting like a child if you do not like being treated like one springs to mind.

Children tend to become indignant, angry and insulting when their views are challenged.
You know, like you're doing.

Oh I read your post and responded to it already thanks.

You went and threw a hissy fit when I called you out on what you did.

Lastly yes I have noticed you become indignant, angry and insulting when confronted with the childish way you tried to counter my reasonable point / initial comment. So I agree people do that as you very much have done yourself from the offset. Now your crying wolf and whining about the fact you have been caught out doing so.

Can we stay civic, please? 

There is no reason to start insulting each other until the end of the world. 

It's all the head developer's fault, and that's who should take the responsibility.

[Alamar2078]

The Angry One wrote...
I like a nice debate. I just get highly annoyed when people fling insults rather than argue.
Why bother saying anything at all if you're going to resort to that?

I'm all for a nice debate too but honestly I think the subject of the thread is something that's mostly just a personal opinion & reaction so it doesn't have tons of room for constructive debate.

Only when many folks [perhaps including myself] derailed the thread did we have concrete things to debate.

FYI:  I'm considering PMing  a mod to lock the thread because I don't see much additional constructive stuff being done.  HONESTLY I think PM is the best thing so folks can discuss the issues directly with each other.

[GLR-0053]

Ooh Flame Wars, better go get the popcorn.

Modifié par GLR-0053, 21 avril 2012 - 01:40 .

[tomcplotts]

Ryoten wrote...

Ever since the ending to ME3, i have not only lost my motivation for playing what was my favorite video game series.  I have pretty much lost my will to play video games in general.  This entire chain of events that has happened since March, has made me feel like i cant trust developers anymore or feel any joy over purchasing a product.  I cant even get myself to feel excited over Diablo 3 or AC3.  I never thought that a 10 minute ending could have such a negative impact on me.


Thank you Bioware.

i found that taking some breaks from gaming goes a long way to restoring both your enthusiasm as well as basic human functionality. i love games, but it's also good to remember that I have a life to live in my world, not someone elses.

always a good thing to have multiple hobbies...

hope you get your groove back!

[Alamar2078]

GLR-0053 wrote...

Ooh Flame Wars, better go the popcorn.

It got good for a while but I think [hope???] calmer heads are starting to prevail.

[Vigil_N7]

Modifié par Vigil_N7, 21 avril 2012 - 01:41 .

[Alamar2078]

tomcplotts wrote...
i found that taking some breaks from gaming goes a long way to restoring both your enthusiasm as well as basic human functionality. i love games, but it's also good to remember that I have a life to live in my world, not someone elses.

always a good thing to have multiple hobbies...

hope you get your groove back!

Good advice.  Personally I'm gonna take care of my sick cat, watch a movie, and maybe start DXHR so I can get back in the saddle so to speak.  6 weeks is enough

[Dragoonlordz]

Alamar2078 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
I like a nice debate. I just get highly annoyed when people fling insults rather than argue.
Why bother saying anything at all if you're going to resort to that?

I'm all for a nice debate too but honestly I think the subject of the thread is something that's mostly just a personal opinion & reaction so it doesn't have tons of room for constructive debate.

Only when many folks [perhaps including myself] derailed the thread did we have concrete things to debate.

FYI:  I'm considering PMing  a mod to lock the thread because I don't see much additional constructive stuff being done.  HONESTLY I think PM is the best thing so folks can discuss the issues directly with each other.

Agreed with bolded part which is why I left my own personal opinion which others then made mountains out of molehills from.

Here's a little video for dear angry one.

[Purple People Eater]

The melodrama is palpable.

[The Angry One]

Ahaha he's playing the political correctness card.
How cute. Yeah don't take dragoon's bait people, more fool me for doing so.

[Doctor Uburian]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is not a problem with ME3 ending, sounds to me like a problem of your own making developed over time long before you even played ME3. The final 10 minutes of one game should and in my experience does not turn people off gaming unless they already had lost interest in the first place in which case it becomes an excuse to stop or hide behind. There are many greeat games out and coming out, some good and some bad but if your mindset was leaning towards breaking away from gaming in first place then no games no matter how good will change that because at that stage all your doing is looking for an excuse.

No, it's a problem with the ending. Don't presume to play armchair psychologist.
I was an avid gamer before this, so were many others. Now we're put off. Were we all looking for an excuse?

Yeah, no. Sorry. It's this ending. That's what happens when one experiences an ending where you surrender to Hitler.

Load of crap and full of hyperbole. Grow up.

So try again.

People need to stop treating gaming as an oxygen supply and treat developers with disdain and bile just because you did not enjoy their game. They create it and you chose to buy it. They never threw your mother under a bus or put a gun to your head, so treat it as should do which is a hobby, somethign to pass the time and if gain enjoyment from some titles then great if not then do something else. Stop treating it like a personal affront/offense everytime your not giddy with joy about something. Sell it and buy something else or do something else and leave the throwing toys out the pram for more important issues.

You may see it as Nothing more than an entertainment, but a lot of people see it like something inspiring. 
Yea, Mass Effect is nothing more than a video Game, and Das Capital was nothing more than a book. 

Feel free to be very specific about what exactly ME3 inspires in you. I would like to hear it.

It gives me hope, enthusiasm, and enhances my motivation to work with persons who are not like i am.

At least until the last ten minutes 

Hope for what? Hope for machine race that doesn't exist? Blue babies? Enthusiasm for what? Motivations to work with who? Do you know any Geth in real life, who in particular is it motivating you to deal with? Did it push you to devote your life to curing desease or poverty or merely gave you reason to get up and play a game for few hours?

There is like already said a limitation on just how much you should invest in a game, it cannot and should not be a replacement for real life and while a certain level of escapism could be achieved you should not treat it like an oxygen supply or plug yourself in like the matrix. Treat it for what it is and thats a game, a form of entertainment and way to pass the time and you will not be so emotionally dependant on if have blue babies in it causing you to dismiss every other game out there.

Well, i'm sure that out there is a book that has lead lots of persons for more than a millenium, for good or bad.

It is not about what it is, but what it conduces us to do. In this case, Mass Effect made me help those who are around me. It's a shame to throw something as good as this out of the ship 

Modifié par Doctor Uburian, 21 avril 2012 - 01:44 .

[Alamar2078]

Fair enough DL ... time to agree to disagree. Honestly fighting right now probably isn't worth anyone's time.

[Dragoonlordz]

The Angry One wrote...

Ahaha he's playing the political correctness card.
How cute. Yeah don't take dragoon's bait people, more fool me for doing so.

Funny, because feels to me like I took your baiting.

[Esoretal]

It's okay, I understand how you feel. I lost my motivation to play games for a couple of weeks, too. If you just take it easy and play something you can get lost in, say... Minecraft, or Terraria (which are both great sandbox games), and just have fun, I think you'll start to feel better.

And yes, it is really is THAT bad of an ending. It's not just you, a lot of people feel this way.

[Dragoonlordz]

Doctor Uburian wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Hope for what? Hope for machine race that doesn't exist? Blue babies? Enthusiasm for what? Motivations to work with who? Do you know any Geth in real life, who in particular is it motivating you to deal with? Did it push you to devote your life to curing desease or poverty or merely gave you reason to get up and play a game for few hours?

There is like already said a limitation on just how much you should invest in a game, it cannot and should not be a replacement for real life and while a certain level of escapism could be achieved you should not treat it like an oxygen supply or plug yourself in like the matrix. Treat it for what it is and thats a game, a form of entertainment and way to pass the time and you will not be so emotionally dependant on if have blue babies in it causing you to dismiss every other game out there.

Well, i'm sure that out there is a book that has lead lots of persons for more than a millenium, for good or bad.

It is not about what it is, but what it conduces us to do. In this case, Mass Effect made me help those who are around me. It's a shame to throw something as good as this out of the ship 

It was honest question, who did it make you help? I personally find it hard to imagine what circumstance was involved or situation lent itself to where ME3 helped you help them. Then again I just remembered you was the person who got angry at me for not devoting all my money and pushing my business into solving world issues. I think I better leave it at that because as I recall, I mentioned then the difference between idealism and realism and don't wish to get caught up in that again.

It is one thing to put someone off playing ME3 again, likewise putting someone off playing the trilogy, but all games is rather silly. They all have their own qualities and they all exist for one purpose which is to merely entertain. Each one is designed with their way of providing such and each one delivers it in different ways. I consider anyone who is put off from all games is someone who had very little interest in the first place (gaming) at that time. Does not mean no interest but does mean much less of it to begin with to have such effect.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 avril 2012 - 01:52 .

[SealKudos]

 The only reason I'd quit gaming is cause of the blatant disregard for anything but money nowadays in the industry.  Seriously makes me want to punch a wall.  It's usually the publishers, though, and then the publishers corrupt the devs.  Most developers just want to make fun games for their fans, the money is great but always second priority.  If you're in the game-development business, you shouldn't care about the money.  If you make a great enough game, the money will come and keep coming.  But people want more, more, and more...  Too much greed in something that should be a fun hobby, not a damned business.
As for the ending, it drew the final straw.  I'm not buying a BioWare game again, or an EA game.  Until they prove to me they can still make a totally grand experience after the horror that was DA2 and ME3 last-minute-artistic-ending, they're not getting another cent.
Also, OP, you can't get excited about Assassin's Creed III?  What?    No way, that game looks like it's going to be fantastic.  Doubly so because Ubisoft is a good developer/publisher (as long as you're not on PC) and many of their main game series have underwent large revamps and revolutions, but generally stayed pretty good (instead of insulting trash... I'm looking at you, Crysis 2...  "Push Start" on PC, my a**...)

[Doctor Uburian]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Hope for what? Hope for machine race that doesn't exist? Blue babies? Enthusiasm for what? Motivations to work with who? Do you know any Geth in real life, who in particular is it motivating you to deal with? Did it push you to devote your life to curing desease or poverty or merely gave you reason to get up and play a game for few hours?

There is like already said a limitation on just how much you should invest in a game, it cannot and should not be a replacement for real life and while a certain level of escapism could be achieved you should not treat it like an oxygen supply or plug yourself in like the matrix. Treat it for what it is and thats a game, a form of entertainment and way to pass the time and you will not be so emotionally dependant on if have blue babies in it causing you to dismiss every other game out there.

Well, i'm sure that out there is a book that has lead lots of persons for more than a millenium, for good or bad.

It is not about what it is, but what it conduces us to do. In this case, Mass Effect made me help those who are around me. It's a shame to throw something as good as this out of the ship 

It was honest question, who did it make you help? I personally find it hard to imagine what circumstance was involved or situation lent itself to where ME3 helped you help them. Then again I just remembered you was the person who got angry at me for not devoting all my money and pushing my business into solving world issues. I think I better leave it at that because as I recall, I mentioned then the difference between idealism and realism and don't wish to get caught up in that again.

It is one thing to put someone off playing ME3 again, likewise putting someone off playing the trilogy, but all games is rather silly. They all have their own qualities and they all exist for one purpose which is to merely entertain. Each one is designed with their way of providing such and each one delivers it in different ways. I consider anyone who is put off from all games is someone who had very little interest in the first place (gaming) at that time. Does not mean no interest but does mean much less of it to begin with to have such effect.

No problem (I was a bit upset that day)

I don't need you to understand my ideals, i only want you to respect them. I respect your will to do with your bussines what you want, as well as i respect the lead dev to do what he wants. I'm just sad about it.

Modifié par Doctor Uburian, 21 avril 2012 - 01:59 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Doctor Uburian wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Hope for what? Hope for machine race that doesn't exist? Blue babies? Enthusiasm for what? Motivations to work with who? Do you know any Geth in real life, who in particular is it motivating you to deal with? Did it push you to devote your life to curing desease or poverty or merely gave you reason to get up and play a game for few hours?

There is like already said a limitation on just how much you should invest in a game, it cannot and should not be a replacement for real life and while a certain level of escapism could be achieved you should not treat it like an oxygen supply or plug yourself in like the matrix. Treat it for what it is and thats a game, a form of entertainment and way to pass the time and you will not be so emotionally dependant on if have blue babies in it causing you to dismiss every other game out there.

Well, i'm sure that out there is a book that has lead lots of persons for more than a millenium, for good or bad.

It is not about what it is, but what it conduces us to do. In this case, Mass Effect made me help those who are around me. It's a shame to throw something as good as this out of the ship 

It was honest question, who did it make you help? I personally find it hard to imagine what circumstance was involved or situation lent itself to where ME3 helped you help them. Then again I just remembered you was the person who got angry at me for not devoting all my money and pushing my business into solving world issues. I think I better leave it at that because as I recall, I mentioned then the difference between idealism and realism and don't wish to get caught up in that again.

It is one thing to put someone off playing ME3 again, likewise putting someone off playing the trilogy, but all games is rather silly. They all have their own qualities and they all exist for one purpose which is to merely entertain. Each one is designed with their way of providing such and each one delivers it in different ways. I consider anyone who is put off from all games is someone who had very little interest in the first place (gaming) at that time. Does not mean no interest but does mean much less of it to begin with to have such effect.

No problem (I was a bit upset that day)

I don't need you to understand my ideals, i only want you to respect them. I respect your will to do with your bussines what you want, as well as i respect the lead dev to do wath he wants. I'm just sad about it.

The fact you can respect my desire for my business, and especially respect Biowares ability to dictate what they wish to do with the product they created gives me reason to offer an olive branch. You have posted a much more rational and reasonable comment this time so it is something I can say fair enough to and respect in general principle.

My stance has never changed and I am not as fickle as to switch at whim. A creator, developer or publisher; one who created, developer and funded or distributed something into existance should be the sole people who decide how to do such with their products. Whether this is Origin, ME3 or DA2 it is their right to do with it what they please as it is the right of those who chose to buy or not to do so. People who hold them to ransom or blackmail, threaten or abuse do not deserve my respect and they shall not have it but those who can respect the principles of that stance deserves some leeway.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 avril 2012 - 02:12 .

[Kushan101]

Go back and play some good old games from when you were young. I busted out Thief 2: The Metal Age the other day. It helped me no end. Don't get me wrong, the ending still bothers me. STILL! but good games never go bad with age.

[Doctor Uburian]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Hope for what? Hope for machine race that doesn't exist? Blue babies? Enthusiasm for what? Motivations to work with who? Do you know any Geth in real life, who in particular is it motivating you to deal with? Did it push you to devote your life to curing desease or poverty or merely gave you reason to get up and play a game for few hours?

There is like already said a limitation on just how much you should invest in a game, it cannot and should not be a replacement for real life and while a certain level of escapism could be achieved you should not treat it like an oxygen supply or plug yourself in like the matrix. Treat it for what it is and thats a game, a form of entertainment and way to pass the time and you will not be so emotionally dependant on if have blue babies in it causing you to dismiss every other game out there.

Well, i'm sure that out there is a book that has lead lots of persons for more than a millenium, for good or bad.

It is not about what it is, but what it conduces us to do. In this case, Mass Effect made me help those who are around me. It's a shame to throw something as good as this out of the ship 

It was honest question, who did it make you help? I personally find it hard to imagine what circumstance was involved or situation lent itself to where ME3 helped you help them. Then again I just remembered you was the person who got angry at me for not devoting all my money and pushing my business into solving world issues. I think I better leave it at that because as I recall, I mentioned then the difference between idealism and realism and don't wish to get caught up in that again.

It is one thing to put someone off playing ME3 again, likewise putting someone off playing the trilogy, but all games is rather silly. They all have their own qualities and they all exist for one purpose which is to merely entertain. Each one is designed with their way of providing such and each one delivers it in different ways. I consider anyone who is put off from all games is someone who had very little interest in the first place (gaming) at that time. Does not mean no interest but does mean much less of it to begin with to have such effect.

No problem (I was a bit upset that day)

I don't need you to understand my ideals, i only want you to respect them. I respect your will to do with your bussines what you want, as well as i respect the lead dev to do wath he wants. I'm just sad about it.

The fact you can respect my desire for my business, and especially respect Biowares ability to dictate what they wish to do with the product they created gives me reason to offer an olive branch. You have posted a much more rational and reasonable comment this time so it is something I can say fair enough to and respect in general principle.

Good to hear that 

And now, to stay on topic, i have not recovered my self from the bad impact the endings had on me.

At least, i can create things with Gmod and Mass Effect props to calm my mind.

[Daennikus]

Ryoten wrote...

Ever since the ending to ME3, i have not only lost my motivation for playing what was my favorite video game series.  I have pretty much lost my will to play video games in general. 

I've had that feeling ever since I started writing fiction - actual writing, not just fan fiction, and did a lot of research. Once you become deeply involved in a story, no other story can satisfy you. Mass Effect does that to us: we become so personally committed to our characters that we can't stand to be disappointed. I wouldn't be playing video games at all if it weren't for Bioware. 

Hang in there, man. You'll have fun again, just lower your expectations.