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[kalasaurus]

I hated the ending but I still like replaying ME3 SP and MP. I just try to forget about the ending. It was a massive disappointment, yes, but don't let it kill your will to game.

You can do it, OP. Just turn off the console/pc when the magic elevator appears. If all of Mass Effect is dead to you, then play other games. Forget and move on until Bioware releases the Extended Cut DLC.

[Teroseth]

I can certainly understand where the OP is coming from. The ending wasn't enough to put me off gaming entirely, but for a month or so after it I just couldn't find the will to play any game, I'd turn on the console, or load a game up on the pc, play for ten minutes and then just exit/power off. In the end I bought a load of old games on steam sales, and that's helped reaffirm my love for the medium, but yeah, I can see how and why the OP feels the way they do.

[pharsti]

I thought like that, for a while, then good games starting coming out again and i noticed that i still loved them, just not ME, cant love ME anymore

Currently playing Pandoras Tower, awesome.

[sth88]

I can understand the OP's sentiments, but I myself will not let this travesty of an ending keep me from enjoying the many great games that are still out there.

Though it will keep me from ever buying any Bioware products ever again, unless they fix it.

[Dean_the_Young]

StElmo wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

StElmo wrote...

same here,. trying to get itno Skyrim TW2 and DA2, all feel eh compared to whart ME was supposed to be.

What ever made you think this?

No, ME was never 'supposed' to be a game akin to Skyrim, TW2, or DA2. Those are completely different subgenres of RPGs. Heck, those three aren't even the same sub-genres either: Skyrim is a setting-focused exploration RPG, TW2 is a complex-path but still story driven RPG, and DA2 (much like DAO) is a largely linear RPG.


ME1 never even attempted to be TW2, or Skyrim, or DA2. It was always a shooting-based action-RPG.

Did I say that?

I said ME3 was supposed to be this big satisfying epic game, but really it was an okay game in the end. Nothing special, makes you lose faith in gaming in general. ):

Hence why I can'y play the other games as interestedly.

Besides that satisfaction is highly subjective, what you're looking to be satisfied by is just as important. Expectations have to be aligned with reality: if you expected Mass Effect 3 to be a satisfying political-intrigue thriller, like TW2, then you were looking in entirely the wrong area.

This is why listing different games of different genres is a meaningless comparison: they are all good or not for different reasons by different standards.

[StElmo]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

StElmo wrote...

same here,. trying to get itno Skyrim TW2 and DA2, all feel eh compared to whart ME was supposed to be.

What ever made you think this?

No, ME was never 'supposed' to be a game akin to Skyrim, TW2, or DA2. Those are completely different subgenres of RPGs. Heck, those three aren't even the same sub-genres either: Skyrim is a setting-focused exploration RPG, TW2 is a complex-path but still story driven RPG, and DA2 (much like DAO) is a largely linear RPG.


ME1 never even attempted to be TW2, or Skyrim, or DA2. It was always a shooting-based action-RPG.

Did I say that?

I said ME3 was supposed to be this big satisfying epic game, but really it was an okay game in the end. Nothing special, makes you lose faith in gaming in general. ):

Hence why I can'y play the other games as interestedly.

Besides that satisfaction is highly subjective, what you're looking to be satisfied by is just as important. Expectations have to be aligned with reality: if you expected Mass Effect 3 to be a satisfying political-intrigue thriller, like TW2, then you were looking in entirely the wrong area.

This is why listing different games of different genres is a meaningless comparison: they are all good or not for different reasons by different standards.

basically, anything with a good narrative, is all I cared for.

[Dean_the_Young]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Ever since the ending to ME3, i have not only lost my motivation for playing what was my favorite video game series.  I have pretty much lost my will to play video games in general.  This entire chain of events that has happened since March, has made me feel like i cant trust developers anymore or feel any joy over purchasing a product.  I cant even get myself to feel excited over Diablo 3 or AC3.  I never thought that a 10 minute ending could have such a negative impact on me.


Thank you Bioware.

And? What's the 'so what'?

If a 10 minute ending could have such an impact on you, you were clearly never a solid consumer to be relied upon in the first place.

I can't speak for the OP, but I share his sentiments. Anyways, here is a list of Bioware games/accessories I have purchased since the original Mass Effect -

-  Mass Effect themed  Xbox 360 Faceplate
- DLC Bring Down the Sky 
- DLC Pinnacle Station 
- Mass Effect: Revelation
- Mass Effect: Ascension
- Mass Effect: Retribution
- N7 Hoodie
- Dragon Age: Origins
- DLC Gokems of Amgarrak
- DLC Return to Ostagar
- DLC Warden's Keep
- DLC Witch Hunt
- Dragon Age: Awakening 
- Mass Effect 2
- DLC Overlord
- DLC Lair of the Shadowbroker 
- DLC Arrival
- DLC Alternate Appearance Pack 1
- DLC Alternate Appearance Pack 2
- DLC Firewalker 
- DLC Stolen Memories 
- DLC Equalizer Pack
- DLC - Aegis Pack
- DLC Firepower Pack
- DLC Dr. Pepper Promo Event (x3)
- Preordered a Garrus Vakarian figure from Square-Enix
- Mass Effect Normandy SR2 lithograph
-  Dragon Age 2: Signature Edition
- Mass Effect 3: N7 Edition
- N7 Imperator mouse by Razer
- ME3 Vespula mousepad by Razer

So yeah, I was the very definition of a "solid consumer" before Bioware destroyed my relations with their company with an absolutely atrocious post-release PR campaign. 

No, you were a fair-weather consumer.

[Averdi]

I can sympathize, OP. After finishing ME3, I also was pretty much completely disinterested in not just ME, but all games. I'd specifically replayed ME1 and ME2 to get my story set up properly, and that ending really did a number on me. It passed after a few weeks, and I tried and rather enjoyed Skyrim. I still can't even look at my ME games, though.

[Dean_the_Young]

StElmo wrote...

basically, anything with a good narrative, is all I cared for.

By and large, the only difference between ME1 and ME3's narrative was that people don't mind a lack of epilogue if there's another story game in the pipeline. In terms of devices and maneuvers, ME3 was pretty consistent with the rest of the series.

[Dean_the_Young]

Sajuro wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Ever since the ending to ME3, i have not only lost my motivation for playing what was my favorite video game series.  I have pretty much lost my will to play video games in general.  This entire chain of events that has happened since March, has made me feel like i cant trust developers anymore or feel any joy over purchasing a product.  I cant even get myself to feel excited over Diablo 3 or AC3.  I never thought that a 10 minute ending could have such a negative impact on me.


Thank you Bioware.

And? What's the 'so what'?

If a 10 minute ending could have such an impact on you, you were clearly never a solid consumer to be relied upon in the first place.

Dean, can you start talking about the collector base again so I can stop agreeing with you so damn much? it's bothering me

The Collector Base was an irrelevant decision that should never have been inserted into ME2.

[StElmo]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

StElmo wrote...

basically, anything with a good narrative, is all I cared for.

By and large, the only difference between ME1 and ME3's narrative was that people don't mind a lack of epilogue if there's another story game in the pipeline. In terms of devices and maneuvers, ME3 was pretty consistent with the rest of the series.

not at all. the ending to ME3 is not comparable to ending of ME 1 or Me2.

[NoUserNameHere]

Now, now. We've all got to stick around until Bioshock Infinite comes around and shows developers the world over how real games are written. We owe it to ourselves to wash this awful stench off of our gaming psyche.

[ShepnTali]

ME3... retiring more players than Social Security.

[Complistic]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

No, you were a fair-weather consumer. 

You mean a normal consumer right? One that supports a company when they're doing things they like and doesn't when they aren't? Unconditional love for a company is just dumb.

[ragnorok87]

i am retiring offically from ALL BIOWARE AND EA GAMING. they do not deserve my time effeort support or money.

[Dean_the_Young]

Complistic wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

No, you were a fair-weather consumer. 

You mean a normal consumer right? One that supports a company when they're doing things they like and doesn't when they aren't? Unconditional love for a company is just dumb.

Unconditional love is dumb: utter renounciation after a failure in a long and consistently pleasant relationship is worse.

[Kloborgg711]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

 The final 10 minutes of one game should and in my experience does not turn people off gaming unless they already had lost interest in the first place 

Apparently your experience is incredibly limited because 99% of people posting here say VERY clearly they loved the game until the last 10 minutes. What you said doesn't even begin to make sense, the reason the ending hurts so much is BECAUSE the rest was so great. If the game was a pile of crap earlier on we wouldn't have gotten invested and we either would've stopped playing or just expected a terrible ending. This is either trolling or willful ignorance, I can't tell.

[Dean_the_Young]

StElmo wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

StElmo wrote...

basically, anything with a good narrative, is all I cared for.

By and large, the only difference between ME1 and ME3's narrative was that people don't mind a lack of epilogue if there's another story game in the pipeline. In terms of devices and maneuvers, ME3 was pretty consistent with the rest of the series.

not at all. the ending to ME3 is not comparable to ending of ME 1 or Me2.

Sure it was, ME1 in particular. We had the conveniently never-heard-of Deus Ex explanation device to give us exposition, information, and set up an arbitrary choice we soon received that wasn't followed by an epilogue or closure for the cast and choices of the game.

ME2's main difference was that the exposition devices of EDI and TIM were familiar forces.

[Legion_IV]

I think the best thing to do is die in the Suicide Mission in ME2, and trade in ME3 to get rid of all the horrid memories .

But in all seriousness, I have lost hope in all game developers, I know I shouldn't but I have, who advertise their games saying it will be this and it is going to do that because I just don't trust them anymore. 2months ago, anything Bioware said made me excited about ME3 which obviously led to frustration to all games! It shouldn't but it has and I will NEVER pre-order a game again no matter how good it may seem.

[-Skorpious-]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Ever since the ending to ME3, i have not only lost my motivation for playing what was my favorite video game series.  I have pretty much lost my will to play video games in general.  This entire chain of events that has happened since March, has made me feel like i cant trust developers anymore or feel any joy over purchasing a product.  I cant even get myself to feel excited over Diablo 3 or AC3.  I never thought that a 10 minute ending could have such a negative impact on me.


Thank you Bioware.

And? What's the 'so what'?

If a 10 minute ending could have such an impact on you, you were clearly never a solid consumer to be relied upon in the first place.

I can't speak for the OP, but I share his sentiments. Anyways, here is a list of Bioware games/accessories I have purchased since the original Mass Effect -

-  Mass Effect themed  Xbox 360 Faceplate
- DLC Bring Down the Sky 
- DLC Pinnacle Station 
- Mass Effect: Revelation
- Mass Effect: Ascension
- Mass Effect: Retribution
- N7 Hoodie
- Dragon Age: Origins
- DLC Gokems of Amgarrak
- DLC Return to Ostagar
- DLC Warden's Keep
- DLC Witch Hunt
- Dragon Age: Awakening 
- Mass Effect 2
- DLC Overlord
- DLC Lair of the Shadowbroker 
- DLC Arrival
- DLC Alternate Appearance Pack 1
- DLC Alternate Appearance Pack 2
- DLC Firewalker 
- DLC Stolen Memories 
- DLC Equalizer Pack
- DLC - Aegis Pack
- DLC Firepower Pack
- DLC Dr. Pepper Promo Event (x3)
- Preordered a Garrus Vakarian figure from Square-Enix
- Mass Effect Normandy SR2 lithograph
-  Dragon Age 2: Signature Edition
- Mass Effect 3: N7 Edition
- N7 Imperator mouse by Razer
- ME3 Vespula mousepad by Razer

So yeah, I was the very definition of a "solid consumer" before Bioware destroyed my relations with their company with an absolutely atrocious post-release PR campaign. 

No, you were a fair-weather consumer.

I stuck by Bioware when ME2 started to focus more on combat than story, I stuck by Bioware when they released the overwhelmingly disappointing DA2, and I would have stuck by Bioware with ME3 if they acknowledged that the fanbases grievances with ME3's endings were completely valid. Instead, Bioware brushed off our concerns and insulted our intelligence by repeatedly mentioning their "75+ perfect scores" and using our dissatisfaction as a positive PR spin.

If swearing off a company because they refuse to acknowledge not only my conerns, but the concerns of a large percentage of their fanbase, is being a "fair-weather consumer" then so be it. 

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 21 avril 2012 - 05:55 .

[Kronner]

termokanden wrote...

I won't say I'm not concerned, but that has nothing to do with the ending of ME3. Even if the ending means that much to you, it's just one series of games. On the other hand, the focus on DLC and insane (and downright insulting) copy protection schemes like streaming of content are what I'm worried about. This is a general concern though and isn't really BioWare-specific.

Same here. Fortunately, there are still dev studios (CDP RED!) that do not charge their customers for every "horsearmor". Also, there have been some interesting kickstarter projects lately. So not all hope is lost for PC gaming yet. 

[goose2989]

I know how you feel op. It's not weird or crazy to feellike crap after spending 5 years growing to love Tali, Garrus, Liara, Wrex, Joker, and everyone else after witnessing that ending.

"Yay! We beat the Reapers! Oh wait, hologram kid just let us. We didn't actually beat them under our own steam.. And our friends are screwed"

[wolfstanus]

I will just leave this here... I mean to stop gaming because of ONE GAME... You are sad

[Dean_the_Young]

-Skorpious- wrote...

I stuck by Bioware when ME2 started to focus more on combat than story, I stuck by Bioware when they released the overwhelmingly disappointing DA2, and I would have stuck by Bioware with ME3 if they acknowledged that the fanbases grievances with ME3's endings were completely valid. Instead, Bioware brushed off our concerns and insulted our intelligence by repeatedly mentioning their "75+ perfect scores" and using our dissatisfaction as a positive PR spin.

Besides that ME2 expanded the story quite a bit via the characters (which were the focus of ME2, not the combat), your presumed offense is just that: presumed. Bioware has never denied that people had legitimate grievances about ME3, nor has their strategy been reliant on that blurb.

If swearing off a company because they refuse to acknowledge not only my conerns, but the concerns of a large percentage of their fanbase, iis being a "fair-weather consumer" than so be it.

And when you're swearing off a company that does take in feedback, and has even conceded and agreed to retroactively change their product in an attempt to meet the concerns of a large percentage of the fanbase? What should we call you then?

You are not some scorned majority being ignored by the big arrogant corporation that refuses to change itself.

[JunMadine]

I understand OP. I have felt the same way. However, slowly I am regaining my interest in gaming. I just started assassin's creed series. It is slow going but I have the interest to play. I am still holding on to hope (barely) for the extended cut or a ME4 to fix the end.