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[o Ventus]

eoinnx03 wrote...

We know for a fact Drew laughs at threads like this. This is speculation and baseless, nobody saw the ME3 ending comming, and multiplayer does not allow you to compare ME3 to call of duty. The combat mechanics just made things more fluid, it was just an update , you shooted stuff in ME1

The bold is a well, bold-faced lie. Many, MANY people saw the endings coming. Were you a part of the pre-release spoiler comisserating group? It had around 2000 members by the time the game came out. Not to mention the people who had read the leaks (which contained the endings in their entirety) but don't post on BSN...

Modifié par o Ventus, 21 avril 2012 - 06:47 .

[Aiyie]

Mr.House wrote...

Drew did not write ME2, all he did was give an outline for Mac to work with. Drew was working on TOR when ME2 was in dev. Drew left Bioware after TOR. Big reason? He was criticized for his book Revan and what he did to the Jedi Knight story ending. He left so he could write more horrible books. People read way to much into this. People say Drew is a great writer, sorry but his writing quality has dropped big time  after Mass Effect.

meh, dunno bout that.

the darth bane trillogy was pretty good.  pretty sure all 3 books were written a few years after me1.

honestly though, kinda hard to judge his writing until i see something wholly original.  video game writing is quite a bit different from writing a book (due to the visual element inherent in video games... the writer only has to concentrate on the storyline, not the imagery).

besides, historically, just like movies, anything based on a video game tends to suck.  anybody remember the old doom books?  ugh.

[Ashtarth1]

Mass Effect is the bomb because, like so many other great things, it is a work of collaboration.

Did cutting Drew out of the group do bad things to the story?  Who knows, maybe...

[Aiyie]

Meltemph wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Drew did not write ME2, all he did was give an outline for Mac to work with. Drew was working on TOR when ME2 was in dev. Drew left Bioware after TOR. Big reason? He was criticized for his book Revan and what he did to the Jedi Knight story ending. He left so he could write more horrible books. People read way to much into this. People say Drew is a great writer, sorry but his writing quality has dropped big time Mass Effect.

Even if people do think he is a "horrible writer" it still doesnt change that it is odd for a writer to leave his own creation.  Yes, he took a big step back in ME2, but the fact that he was still involoved and gave advice about the setting still says a lot, seeing as he was also writing for the massive project that is TOR.

ANd look what happen with TOR? He destoryed a key character, ruined the final chapter and ending of one whole class and ruined alot of lore. He did alot of damage, he's no diffrent then Mac in my books. Also he didn't keep on giving advice, he gave an outline then left the team to work on TOR because he likes Star Wars more then Mass Effect.

I liked TOR a lot until you had to deal with the raid stuff personally.  I think the lackness of the end parts was simply to make money.  I dont think he has as much freedom in his writing as you think he does.  Lucas Arts doesnt work that way.

truth.

george lucas is known to personally interfere with writers working on anything even remotely related to star wars.  basically telling them what they can, and can't do, what certain characters must do and must not do, what kinda of an ending they will have and won't have, etc etc.

[TheChris92]

Mr.House wrote...

Drew did not write ME2, all he did was give an outline for Mac to work with. Drew was working on TOR when ME2 was in dev. Drew left Bioware after TOR. Big reason? He was criticized for his book Revan and what he did to the Jedi Knight story ending. He left so he could write more horrible books. People read way to much into this. People say Drew is a great writer, sorry but his writing quality has dropped big time  after Mass Effect.

Writing a novel is different than writing a video game, and I haven't heard any criticism towards the Jedi Knight storyline, don't know where that came from. Anyway, I wasn't a big fan of what he did to the Exile in the novels, but then again, I prefer him writing video games. I'd also like to say that he isn't actually a horrible book writer, as his Darth Bane books were very good indeed. It's good that he can spend his time on something new, and perhaps improve his writing. He left because he felt like he wanted to do something else, we all have those moments sometimes. I wish him luck in with whatever projects he is doing now.

Modifié par TheChris92, 21 avril 2012 - 06:55 .

[zarnk567]

TheChris92 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Drew did not write ME2, all he did was give an outline for Mac to work with. Drew was working on TOR when ME2 was in dev. Drew left Bioware after TOR. Big reason? He was criticized for his book Revan and what he did to the Jedi Knight story ending. He left so he could write more horrible books. People read way to much into this. People say Drew is a great writer, sorry but his writing quality has dropped big time  after Mass Effect.

Writing a novel is different than writing a video game, and I haven't heard any criticism towards the Jedi Knight storyline, don't know where that came from. Anyway, I wasn't a big fan of what he did to the Exile in the novels, but then again, I prefer him writing video games. I'd also like to say that he isn't actually a horrible book writer, as his Darth Bane books were very good indeed. It's good that he can spend his time on something new, and perhaps improve his writing. He left because he felt like he wanted to do something else, we all have those moments sometimes. I wish him luck in with whatever projects he is doing now.

@ The Chris92 I like your Avatar.

Modifié par zarnk567, 21 avril 2012 - 06:56 .

[Skypezee]

Aiyie wrote...


truth.

george lucas is known to personally interfere with writers working on anything even remotely related to star wars.  basically telling them what they can, and can't do, what certain characters must do and must not do, what kinda of an ending they will have and won't have, etc etc.

Indeed.

Even if Drew wrote a lot of the story and characters in TOR, he didn't have any freedom on what he could write and how he could write it. Lucas Arts owns the Star Wars franchise and George Lucas will make sure that any projects will go the way he wants it. So if there's anyone to blame on how certain things turned out (such as Revan and The Exile), they should place their blame on L.A. and not Drew.

[AtreiyaN7]

Dear God - another speculation thread. Hey, how about this from his website (http://drewkarpyshyn.com/c/?p=357).

***
So what’s on tap for 2012? Well, in addition to my typical New Year’s resolutions (lose 30 pounds, drop my golf handicap by 3 strokes), I’m also working hard on the next Old Republic novel. I still can’t talk about it, and it won’t hit shelves for many, many months, but I have started writing. However, this year I also want to try and get an agent/publisher for my own original fantasy series.

Don’t get me wrong, I love working with Star Wars and Mass Effect. But like most creative folks, I also want to put something out there that is 100% mine. For the past several years I’ve been working sporadically on a high fantasy/sword and socrecry style trilogy. I’ve briefly mentioned this project in the past, and I’m roughly 90% done… but that last 10% always takes longer than expected. Still, I’m hopeful that Children of Fire (the first book) will be on the shelves before theend of 2013. Who knows, maybe it’ll be the next Lord of the Rings/Wheel of Time/Game of Thrones. Or maybe it’ll crash and burn. Either way, this is the year I intend to find out.
***

Yeah, so to every person claiming it was because of EA's direction and/or other equally inane theories: he's  been working on his own series of fantasy trilogy and wants to get the books published. Maybe one day people will stop creating these idiotic threads. One can dream.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 21 avril 2012 - 07:12 .

[ZerebusPrime]

Me, months before launch...

"Multiplayer has no business being in my single player game!"


Me, nearing launch...

"Grumble grumble stupid EMS system... Wait, I can play as a Krogan?"


Me, immediately after launch...

"RrrrrrAHHHAHA!!!"


Me, after beating game.

"Ok, this is kind of depressing now. Maybe I'll go play Skyrim... Wait, what's this Resurgence pack thing? ...........I can play as a Geth?"


Me, after Resurgence...

"HOSTILE PLATFORMS DETECTED. ENTERING HUNTER MODE."

Modifié par ZerebusPrime, 21 avril 2012 - 07:42 .

[sistersafetypin]

Meltemph wrote...

Even if he was 100% happy with how ME3 ended, not wanting to finish your own baby from a writers perspective is incredibly abnormal. Typically a writer wants to finish his own creation, even if his role was diminished.

This,

[shadowreflexion]

shady501st wrote...

Drew was the lead writer on Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2.

Mass Effect had a deeply moving, inspiring and engaging storyline. It was pure genius and set the foundations for the Mass Effect series.

Mass Effect 2 again written in a way that grew our love for the characters in the series. A fantastic plot, even with that human reaper at the end  

So it seems pretty clear to me that more effort was put into the multiplayer aspect of ME3 than the SP itself.
Whilst we had some great moments in ME3 with Garrus and some of the missions, everything that we'd come to appreciate from the series was lost and a confusing end transpired.

This makes me wonder, did Drew not like the direction Bioware is heading? Has he had enough of the Call of Duty/Battlefield influence on his creations?

One thing I can say for sure in my own experience is that Bioware games have and are more and more losing their appeal to me ever since EA took over.

I am afraid that I could now waste my hard earned cash on any future Bioware purchases. Before ME3 and DA2 I would happily spend any money on the sheer talent Drew Kapyshyn created.

So a salute to you Drew, and thanks for everything you've done!

A little more detailed.

www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-02-17-kotor-mass-effect-lead-writer-drew-karpyshyn-leaves-bioware

[Ultra Prism]

The Angry One wrote...

Casey created Mass Effect. Drew wrote for it.
Casey was quite content to watch it burn.

Yeah Casey Hudson is brain child behind the Mass Effect ... Drew wrote the story under the vision of Casey Hudson

[Stalker]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Dear God - another speculation thread. Hey, how about this from his website (http://drewkarpyshyn.com/c/?p=357).

***
So what’s on tap for 2012? Well, in addition to my typical New Year’s resolutions (lose 30 pounds, drop my golf handicap by 3 strokes), I’m also working hard on the next Old Republic novel. I still can’t talk about it, and it won’t hit shelves for many, many months, but I have started writing. However, this year I also want to try and get an agent/publisher for my own original fantasy series.

Don’t get me wrong, I love working with Star Wars and Mass Effect. But like most creative folks, I also want to put something out there that is 100% mine. For the past several years I’ve been working sporadically on a high fantasy/sword and socrecry style trilogy. I’ve briefly mentioned this project in the past, and I’m roughly 90% done… but that last 10% always takes longer than expected. Still, I’m hopeful that Children of Fire (the first book) will be on the shelves before theend of 2013. Who knows, maybe it’ll be the next Lord of the Rings/Wheel of Time/Game of Thrones. Or maybe it’ll crash and burn. Either way, this is the year I intend to find out.
***

Yeah, so to every person claiming it was because of EA's direction and/or other equally inane theories: he's  been working on his own series of fantasy trilogy and wants to get the books published. Maybe one day people will stop creating these idiotic threads. One can dream.

A writer doesn't simply leave his trilogy right in the finale to work on something independent.
I am usually not a conspiracy theorist, but I am of the opinion that in this situation there was going on more behind the scenes.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 21 avril 2012 - 08:17 .

[spacehamsterZH]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Yeah, so to every person claiming it was because of EA's direction and/or other equally inane theories: he's  been working on his own series of fantasy trilogy and wants to get the books published. Maybe one day people will stop creating these idiotic threads. One can dream.

Obviously spinning mad conspiracy theories and acting as if you know Karpyshyn's motivations better than he himself knows them is a lot more fun than, you know, the truth.

[clarkusdarkus]

The Protheans wrote...

The multiplayer is addictive, I'm half to my next pack that costs 99000.

how are you not bored with MP yet? its an ordeal and very repetitive now even with the free dlc, wave after wave of the same enemies has become just plain boring.

[lofte_2000]

As far as I know he left to work on TOR and also so he could have time to write his own stuff, hear he's working on some fantasy.

[Spectre Impersonator]

I don't particularly care that Drew left. I thought ME 1 had a good arc but was overall the worst written of the three and that Karpyshyn's three ME novels were pretty weak as well. Plus, the majority of ME 3 is great and he didn't contribute to it.

[Meltemph]

Sparatus wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...
]A writer doesn't simply leave his trilogy right in the finale to work on something independent.
I am usually not a conspiracy theorist, but I am of the opinion that in this situation there was going on more behind the scenes.

Mass Effect wasn't his trilogy.

He helped create it.  

[eddieoctane]

The Angry One wrote...

Casey created Mass Effect. Drew wrote for it.
Casey was quite content to watch it burn.

I am quite content to watch Casey burn.

If he created it, he should have done enough to be credited as one of the lead writers. As long as Drew developed more of the story, it's really his universe. Casey is a tool.

[Meltemph]

Sparatus wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

He helped create it.  

And so did Casey, Walters, the other writers, and the concept artists. He was just one person of many that helped shape the series. But it isn't his. That's why he wants to write his own novels. So he can have something that he created on his own, without a team.

And really, if the series belongs to anyone it is Casey.

Writers have a fairly large amount ot do with the world of a setting, specially a the Lead writer.  The time in which he made is announcement... Why wouldnt he jsut finish out the last thing he was apart of THEN quit?  I mean really, we are only talking months here.  I mean, unless he got disinterested with ME...  Whether he would ahve made the ending better or not is beside the point, at this point.

[Meltemph]

Sparatus wrote...

He had stopped work on Mass Effect long before he quit Bioware. He went to work on TOR midway through Mass Effect 2's development.

But he did have a role no matter how minor in ME2, which showed interst, at that point.  

[Baihu1983]

2 had a fantastic plot? It was 95% team building.