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Drew Karpyshyn - Why he really left Bioware?


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Meltemph wrote...

But he did have a role no matter how minor in ME2, which showed interst, at that point.  


He doesn't really have a say on where his bosses want to assign him. They wanted him to work on TOR. So they moved him to that development team.

I don't think Drew is really that great of a writer anyway.

Modifié par Sparatus, 21 avril 2012 - 08:46 .


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Actually Drew was only there untill halfway ME2; why it sucked at the end and didn't make sense.

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azerSheppard wrote...

Actually Drew was only there untill halfway ME2; why it sucked at the end and didn't make sense.


Still made a lot more sense than ME3, though.

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They actually removed a scene of EDI explaining how the Human-Reaper was made in Mass Effect 2.

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Sparatus wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

But he did have a role no matter how minor in ME2, which showed interst, at that point.  


He doesn't really have a say on where his bosses want to assign him. They wanted him to work on TOR. So they moved him to that development team.

I don't think Drew is really that great of a writer anyway.


And I might be inclined to agree, but I think he has great ideas, and the lack of him removes those idea's. He, imo, is not a bad writer jsut a hit or miss writer, but I like most of his ideas.

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Hello Man wrote...

In some ways I agree that with Drew it could have made ME3 better but how can we be so sure? I mean it almost looks to me face value that their could have been a lot of infighting over the developing of making ME3. So whats to say even if he did stay the some of his ideas still wouldn't been scrapped?


Because the ideas would still have been written down somewhere. When the ending pissed off the entire fanbase, EA could come down from the mountain and go "Oh look, these ideas made everyone hate us. Mac and Casey wrote them. Here's some stuff from Drew that got ignored. Everyone loved what he did in ME1. Put that in the extended cut."

Now, all we have is more of Casey's terrible bull****. I live close enough to a meat packing plant and a few farms that I can smell the fetid animal feces when spring rolls around. I don't need it in my games, too.

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If you people think he left for anything other than serious internal problems with the franchise then you are delusional.

A master chef doesn't abandon the dinner he's making when he gets to dessert to say "Hey you know what? I think I want to be a Wine Maker"

Just like the lead writer behind a video game series doesn't abandon it in the last installment.

Do you not find it odd that he's now concentrating on books, which *gasp* coincidentally are one of the few forms of media left where the author has complete control over his art and EA can't come in to fuc* it up?

You can't force a writer to get sloppy so you can add multiplayer to his book....that's all I'm saying...


Edit: Not to mention the shi* tons of cash he would have made working on ME3...

Modifié par BiancoAngelo7, 21 avril 2012 - 09:01 .


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The Angry One wrote...

Casey created Mass Effect. Drew wrote for it.
Casey was quite content to watch it burn.


The same situation happened with Brent Knowles when he left after he learned the direction dictated for DA2.

In that case it was Mike Laidlaw, of couse, who carried the tainted baton.  <_<

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BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

If you people think he left for anything other than serious internal problems with the franchise then you are delusional.

A master chef doesn't abandon the dinner he's making when he gets to dessert to say "Hey you know what? I think I want to be a Wine Maker"

Just like the lead writer behind a video game series doesn't abandon it in the last installment.

Do you not find it odd that he's now concentrating on books, which *gasp* coincidentally are one of the few forms of media left where the author has complete control over his art and EA can't come in to fuc* it up?

You can't force a writer to get sloppy so you can add multiplayer to his book....that's all I'm saying...


Edit: Not to mention the shi* tons of cash he would have made working on ME3...


Uh, no. Writers do not have complete control over books when they write them.

Publishers and editors. Have you heard of them?

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Sparatus wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

If you people think he left for anything other than serious internal problems with the franchise then you are delusional.

A master chef doesn't abandon the dinner he's making when he gets to dessert to say "Hey you know what? I think I want to be a Wine Maker"

Just like the lead writer behind a video game series doesn't abandon it in the last installment.

Do you not find it odd that he's now concentrating on books, which *gasp* coincidentally are one of the few forms of media left where the author has complete control over his art and EA can't come in to fuc* it up?

You can't force a writer to get sloppy so you can add multiplayer to his book....that's all I'm saying...


Edit: Not to mention the shi* tons of cash he would have made working on ME3...


Uh, no. Writers do not have complete control over books when they write them.

Publishers and editors. Have you heard of them?


Wow....you really missed the point I made didn't ya champ?

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BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

If you people think he left for anything other than serious internal problems with the franchise then you are delusional.

A master chef doesn't abandon the dinner he's making when he gets to dessert to say "Hey you know what? I think I want to be a Wine Maker"

Just like the lead writer behind a video game series doesn't abandon it in the last installment.

Do you not find it odd that he's now concentrating on books, which *gasp* coincidentally are one of the few forms of media left where the author has complete control over his art and EA can't come in to fuc* it up?

You can't force a writer to get sloppy so you can add multiplayer to his book....that's all I'm saying...


Edit: Not to mention the shi* tons of cash he would have made working on ME3...


1. Again, he left the Mass Effect team as ME2 was being developed when he was offered the opportunity to be senior writer for TOR.
So in a sense, he abandoned the dinner to prepare an even grander banquet.

 2. Writers...write. So to author books isn't really symptomatic of anything other than the desire to work in ones field.

3. "Shi*tons of cash"?
I think you'll find the devs have fairly modest pays relative to their workload, and it isn't necessarily the case that there is a monetary reward for finishing a product.

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Uh, no. Writers do not have complete control over books when they write them. 

Publishers and editors. Have you heard of them?


Wow....you really missed the point I made didn't ya champ?


How was that observation irrelevant? It's perfectly true. The process of writing novels rarely, if ever, lend the author complete creative control.
Particularly not in genre work.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 21 avril 2012 - 10:08 .


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Meltemph wrote...

Even if he was 100% happy with how ME3 ended, not wanting to finish your own baby from a writers perspective is incredibly abnormal. Typically a writer wants to finish his own creation, even if his role was diminished.


It wasn't his baby though, I believe the reason he left was to focus on his own original series (actually his baby).